Message-Id: <199810231547.KAA22760@casper.realtime.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:47:47 -0400
From: "Quinn@GhostWheel" <someone@ghostwheel.mud.org>
To: quinn@netsville.com
Subject: GhostWheel Message(s) 1118 - 1175 from *ideas (#504)

Message 1118 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Tue Aug 25 15:49:10 1998 CDT
From:     Sterno (#21938)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  New att bonuses

I like the new way att bonuses are handled, with the exception of the steep
scale of the curve. +26 for an 82 stat vs +100 for a 100 stat seems a bit out
of proportion. Granted, it takes more crystals to rise from 90 to 100, but
since death lowers your atts back to 100, maybe the really steep part of the
curve should just come after the 100's?

In a game where stats are already incredibly diverse, and with new fatigue
rules that make it really hard for newbies to eat the crystals to catch up
and/or spar their stats, it seems to me that things have taken a step in the
wrong direction, keeping the established players well on top of any newbies
trying to rise. I'm not arguing the established players -shouldn't- be on
top.. hell, they've earned it, but do they really need the help all these
changes is giving them?

P.S.- I'm against leveling, too. Ewww.

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Message 1119 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Tue Aug 25 19:25:39 1998 CDT
From:     Sater (#4919)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Losing stats/atts when dying

Should be taken out so it encourages more eople to RP and fight.

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Message 1120 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Tue Aug 25 19:29:43 1998 CDT
From:     Oberon (#22725)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  re:last

And then tons of hiugh statted player can go on killing sprees because they
have no reason to be scared of death.

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Message 1121 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Tue Aug 25 19:32:34 1998 CDT
From:     Rathe (#14172)
To:       *ideas (#504)

I go on killing sprees all the time..

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Message 1122 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 00:05:29 1998 CDT
From:     Caffeenid (#20542)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Re: 1120

Believe it or not, not all of the high-statted characters go on killing
sprees.
One of the characters I run is in several of the top-10's, and is still a PC.
Not 'cause of 'forgive', either.
*grumble*

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Message 1123 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 00:06:26 1998 CDT
From:     Sterno (#21938)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  1120

Not to mention, the high statted players aren't scared of death anyway. Not
like newbies are gonna get 'em if they decide to go on a killing spree, stat
losses or no

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Message 1124 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 01:17:32 1998 CDT
From:     Nomar (#17488)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  re 1114

Then it would be just like a mud.

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Message 1125 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 09:06:15 1998 CDT
From:     Menroth (#14123)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Idlers

make it so you can only idle for like 1 day or 1 hour, .

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Message 1126 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 09:14:39 1998 CDT
From:     Xiara (#14877)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  no

thats evil. then it would be like cs where you have to connect every fracking
15 -20 min.
Some of us enjoy our idling.

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Message 1127 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 11:20:19 1998 CDT
From:     Sterno (#21938)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  last

I *gasp* agree with Xiara. But if you have a good reason, Menroth, please
share!

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Message 1128 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 11:36:12 1998 CDT
From:     Sterno (#21938)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Yeah, I know chainsaws are heavy, but...

5 swings with a chainsaw gave me 45 fatigue. Granted, they're heavy, but 5
more would probably make me pass out.

Fatigue seems really cool in terms of player vs. player combat, but as far as
hunting goes, it kind of detracts from the game. Hunting was already kind of
mindless and took forever... now it takes MUCH longer. Maybe one solution (and
I know it's not very good) is for fatigue only to be calculated when attacking
players, and not ahabs. This way in the fights that actually -matter- fatigue
is calculated, and we bypass the extra hours tacked on to hunting.

Or, an even simpler solution would be to have fatigue disappear at a rate of 1
point every second or two... this would definitely be beneficial to anyone
hunting or sparring. In hunting/sparring, you could pause for a few seconds to
catch your breath. However, do this in player vs. player battle, and you'll
probably end up dead.


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Message 1129 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 11:42:06 1998 CDT
From:     Dante (#10660)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Fatigue.

been said before but I'll say it again. I like the system, it's not bad but
it's making improving a skill from 0 to average truly impossible. Most newbies
who I help are broke, I've already sparred two people just to average bladed
and it cost me over 800 crystals. I find this kinda sad, but I don't think
that fatigue is necessary with *every* swing, it should be a random effect, or
perhaps with a higher strength it shouldn't even fatigue. I don't think that a
dagger is that heavy to make you get tired from just swinging it at a person
who isn't fighting back, the idea is to hone your skill, and as it is it's
hard as hell just to get to average without the fatigue. Me personally? Devon
has a 0 claw I plan to boost over a few days, it's going to take me a heck of
alot of practice and I'm sure that I'm going to waste a few K of crystals. At
the very least I think that fatigue shouldn't affect below average stats, it
makes sense in a sort of methodical way of helping new players catch up to old
ones. if that was done then i think the fatigue would be perfect, aside from
hunting I haven't noticed a problem. ;)

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Message 1130 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 12:16:57 1998 CDT
From:     Sterno (#21938)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Locked containers

The ability to @trust others to open your locked containers.

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Message 1131 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 12:35:46 1998 CDT
From:     Devon (#23970)
To:       *ideas (#504)

Add tents to that also.

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Message 1132 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 12:51:27 1998 CDT
From:     Xiara (#14877)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Stupid i know

But as i'm reading ( catching up over *db-issues, about the trusted feature
weeding out non characters, could something be done similarly with the @gag
function? *shrugs* more just a coded question.

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Message 1133 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 13:37:45 1998 CDT
From:     Xiara (#14877)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Thinking

Climbable mountains to Mount URuken/Morlith.  Every other section can be
reached by multiple parties ( Submariners, mages ) except dragon areas.  If
its on a mount, I would think given the STR and End qualities of  the
character, they coul sustain a climb ( albiet a difficult one ) to the top of
Mount Uruken or to the top of Morlith.
X

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Message 1134 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 13:38:29 1998 CDT
From:     Sterno (#21938)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  last

Hehe... and then the dragons can promply eat you upon arrival.

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Message 1135 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 13:39:25 1998 CDT
From:     Sterno (#21938)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  last

Hehe... and then the dragons can promptly eat you upon arrival.

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Message 1136 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 13:39:27 1998 CDT
From:     Oberon (#22725)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  ""

Sounds good!

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Message 1137 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 13:40:06 1998 CDT
From:     Xiara (#14877)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  I didn't say

That the results would be profitable , but even for the hell of climbing
*shrugs* I don't know.  Add some damn adventure to this game.

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Message 1138 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 13:56:17 1998 CDT
From:     Xiara (#14877)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Also

What about lo-tek ?  How much Tech in general is incorporated here?

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Message 1139 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 14:50:42 1998 CDT
From:     Styx (#1610)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Climbing Uruken or Morlith

Well that is if the mountains are climbable. And it would take a long ass time
I figure. But if you want the chance of falling to your death (I imagine it
would be a series of tests) from fatigue/slipping, I am sure something can be
coded.

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Message 1140 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 15:25:00 1998 CDT
From:     Xiara (#14877)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  take a long time

Welll.... ITs a moutain, don't know how long a few rooms would be but hey, if
you need help, i'll be happy to assist.  And yes, if death is an issue /injury
, whatnot, I think its a fair concept guys.  You have to be able to climb it
or hit safety or something, lest ye go poof.  Something like the messages that
the submariner water says if you dont' get enough air.

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Message 1141 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 15:32:09 1998 CDT
From:     Nomar (#17488)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Climbing the Mounts

What if it was made so that if you have low atts (Endurance, Strength) that
after a while you would fall off to your death. Then, objects like ropes, etc
could be coded that would give you a better chance of climbing to the top of
the mount.

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Message 1142 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 15:46:24 1998 CDT
From:     Sterno (#21938)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Hehe

I'm not opposed to the idea, but would just like to remind you all...

Dragons are still gonna eat you when you get to the top. And don't try to tell
me you're hauling a LAW up with you.

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Message 1143 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 15:52:01 1998 CDT
From:     Styx (#1610)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Another problem with mtn climbing

People will not respect the boundaries of the various areas ICly. As in,
people will wander up when no one is logged on and then wander around. Perhaps
loot a few things. And please, don't try and tell me it won't happen. It has
happened before. And will happen again. If there is a way to climb the Mounts
then there will be code set on guards/dragons to auto-kill any intruders. (At
least on Uruken there will be)

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Message 1144 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 15:53:39 1998 CDT
From:     Xiara (#14877)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  So

Fracking code it .. Don't sit there and say 'people will therefore don't '. As
I said, every other class can be interceeded by every other class. Except
dragons.  Why should they be special ?  Sides... last time i checked, if some
num nut wants to kill a dragon they're virtually unkillable. *Cough*

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Message 1145 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 15:53:58 1998 CDT
From:     Rathe (#14172)
To:       *ideas (#504)

I'm carrying a law over my shoulder.

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Message 1146 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 15:55:41 1998 CDT
From:     Sterno (#21938)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Xiara's..

But why waste time on virtually useless code? Let's get something useful
going, like the bionics class.

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Message 1147 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 15:56:41 1998 CDT
From:     Xiara (#14877)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  which 

probably will be hit with just as much dispute. i'm throwign ideas out and
basically getting remarks like 'wah that will put us in danger ( rp ) .  Thats
why i'm objecting :)

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Message 1148 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 15:56:57 1998 CDT
From:     Rathe (#14172)
To:       *ideas (#504)

The bionics class is a much bigger project than putting in a little climbing
code

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Message 1149 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 15:58:23 1998 CDT
From:     Kzin (#5800)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Heh

Bionics IS CODED. Does nobody read the posts anymore?
It's merely not implimented.

Sheesh. People.

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Message 1150 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 15:58:35 1998 CDT
From:     Sterno (#21938)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Erm

I think it's the climbers that would be in danger. And I don't see the code
being useful, except for what Styx mentioned, in which case, unless you set up
some really twinkish triggers and have a few law rockets to spare, you're just
gonna get eaten anyway. But I'll shut up now, I've stated my opinion. 3 times.


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Message 1151 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Aug 26 17:01:42 1998 CDT
From:     Breast_Fetishist (#16576)
To:       *ideas (#504)

There are high-statted characters who don't go on killing sprees?
I'm ashamed of you all.

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Message 1152 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Thu Aug 27 16:46:12 1998 CDT
From:     Breast_Fetishist (#16576)
To:       *ideas (#504)

A new mailing list to announce leaving GhostWheel that would give someone 7
days to log back in or get reaped.

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Message 1153 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Fri Aug 28 08:57:52 1998 CDT
From:     Quinn (#2)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  weapon mods

Right now, weapons have "hard" bonuses and penalties which usually span
between -25..25.  This can easily lead to the individual bonuses being
completely useless at higher levels.  For example, the -25 attack mod of a
chainsaw isn't going to mean squat to someone with an 800 bladed skill.

My idear is to make attack_mod, dodge_mod, parry_with and parry_against
percentages which affect your actual skill.  So, for example, if a chainsaw
had an attack mod of 50%, your skill would be halved when using it.

Conversely, if an exceptionally well made (imperial katana) or easily used
(baseball) weapon  was used, your skill would actually be higher when using
it.

I'd also like to multiply the values for slowness so that we have more room to
move around.  Hell, we might even see the original benefit of multiple attacks
per round for very slow/fast attacks.

I think this could really add some life to weaponsmithing, making each more
unique than they currently are.  Feel free to send comments directly to this
list.

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Message 1154 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Sat Aug 29 05:13:38 1998 CDT
From:     Red_Fang (#5907)
To:       *Chat (#5391) and *ideas (#504)
Subject:  For Sale ad Posts

Think it would be a good idea to ban the posting of For Sale posts for ic
items.  Swords and other weapons are part of the game and should only be
transfered icly from one player to another.  These posts just serve to move
one hord of items from one player to another.  If you have things you want to
get rid of icly post to *storylines that you will be having a sale in the
lounge or a auction.. Or post that you lost a item in the wilderness somewhere
and wish to know if it is found.  But posting to *chat that you are looking
for or selling items is not IC and shouldn't be done.

Rob

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Message 1155 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Sun Aug 30 20:28:21 1998 CDT
From:     Anubis (#22578)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Hell

I think there needs to be an exit out of hell, because right now the only way
out is to port, if two people were in hell at the same time they would never
be able to leave unless they bugged a GM or the like. Just some post death
ranting. thank you.

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Message 1156 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Sun Aug 30 20:29:08 1998 CDT
From:     Yeullan (#19204)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  hell

 I think Anubis is trying to say that Hell should be IC-NEUTRAL

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Message 1157 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Sun Aug 30 20:29:44 1998 CDT
From:     Anubis (#22578)
To:       *ideas (#504)

Yeah, that works.

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Message 1158 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Sep  2 14:15:42 1998 CDT
From:     Sterno (#21938)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  *sb

Bring back Sounding Board :)

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Message 1159 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Sep  2 17:43:01 1998 CDT
From:     Foot_Fetishist (#16576)
To:       *ideas (#504)

Make bulletin boards, like the refrigerator on Lambda and on other MUSHes,
that can be created and used by characters to espouse their beliefs or
opinions.

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Message 1160 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Thu Sep  3 17:11:52 1998 CDT
From:     Foot_Fetishist (#16576)
To:       *ideas (#504)

Idle fishing for GhostWheel.

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Message 1161 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Thu Sep  3 17:18:09 1998 CDT
From:     Mulder (#709)
To:       *ideas (#504)

Over my dead fucking body.

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Message 1162 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Thu Sep  3 18:03:50 1998 CDT
From:     Xiara (#14877)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  *laugh*

That is hillariously funny.  IDlefishing! please!  Muldie!!!  I could rack up
serious pointage on you :)


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Message 1163 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Thu Sep  3 23:41:03 1998 CDT
From:     Durandal (#23874)
To:       *ideas (#504)

Brass knuckles.  Come on, a simple weapon for boosting brawl, melee, etc.
Slightly increased damage, but mostly for the purpose of boosting melee...
after all, I've heard that every combat skill except for bite can be emulated
with a weapon, so why not brawl?

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Message 1164 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Fri Sep  4 23:06:59 1998 CDT
From:     Durandal (#23874)
To:       *ideas (#504)

Here's a nice idea:
Another staff member to take care of recombs.  As far as I know, Quinn is the
only person with the privilege to grant characters recomb status... and I also
know of at _least_ five or six new players in the past few weeks who are
seeking recomb status.

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Message 1165 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Fri Sep  4 23:07:54 1998 CDT
From:     Mikaera (#24590)
To:       *ideas (#504)

I second that opinion.  Yay.

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Message 1167 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Fri Sep  4 23:08:36 1998 CDT
From:     Rathe (#14172)
To:       *ideas (#504)

I want to be a multicolored love wombat recomb.

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Message 1168 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Sep  9 21:13:01 1998 CDT
From:     Dante (#10660)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Make the highest stat 75 again, it's bad with 85.

I seriously haven't heard anything but complaints with the new system. Was
helping one today after asked how to get a more rounded roll and since the
total points were lowered I don't think anyone wants a max stat of 85. &5 was
good enough in my opinion so I think it should be changed back, one high and
too many lows is worse then a few okays and a few lows.

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Message 1169 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Thu Sep 10 00:31:18 1998 CDT
From:     Red_Fang (#5907)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  An Idea

Lets all beat Dante within a inch of his life..

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Message 1170 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Tue Sep 15 22:31:24 1998 CDT
From:     Bishamon (#23011)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Guard <whomever>

Currently it works for one attack, then it is disabled.  Perhaps it can work
like ambush, disallowing the $player in question from performing any other
actions until he stops guarding.

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Message 1171 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Wed Sep 16 17:59:34 1998 CDT
From:     Devon (#23970)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  PK

When someone rerolls, if someone needs to still seek their forgiveness then it
should be removed, if this is possible.

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Message 1172 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Fri Sep 18 09:14:59 1998 CDT
From:     Sterno (#21938)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  Fatigue

How about a spell, kind of like restore, that cures fatigue? Like restore, it
could only be useable on people other than the mage.

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Message 1173 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Fri Sep 18 11:04:58 1998 CDT
From:     Quinn (#2)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  skill changes

I'm considering a change in how bonuses are applied.  Basically, if you have a
bonus of +800 in a skill, only the first 100 points are applied as a "hard"
modifier.  A random portion of the rest is applied to your roll.  In MOOspeak:
hard = min(total, 100); soft = random(max(total - hard, 1));  bonus = hard +
soft;

I come to this point after watching some combat stats and seeing that for
higher-level characters there is a miniscule variance in skill resolution
results.  Someone with a +800 usually rolls an 812, 806, 804.  It's
meaningless.  Thus, this proposal.  Comments expected and appreciated.

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Message 1174 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Tue Sep 22 13:18:04 1998 CDT
From:     Dante (#10660)
To:       *ideas (#504)
Subject:  @gag.

Make it so that if you gag someone, they can't mail you.

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Message 1175 from *ideas (#504):
Date:     Tue Sep 22 13:53:28 1998 CDT
From:     Rathe (#14172)
To:       *ideas (#504)

Better idea - Re-impliment the @refuse system, so we can refuse mail, pages,
beeps, etc from specific people

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