From quinn@fazigu.org Sat Jun 21 12:02:59 2003 Return-path: Envelope-to: quinn@fazigu.org Received: from constr1-host1.corridor.net ([66.100.236.130] helo=yami.57thstreet.com) by requiem with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19TkpO-0003SX-00 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:02:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 888 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 16:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moo.ghostmoo.org) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 16:14:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:14:11 -0400 From: "Quinn@Ghostwheel" To: quinn@fazigu.org Subject: Ghostwheel Message(s) 9330 - 9370 from *Chat (#5391) X-Mail-Agent: Ghostwheel (moo.ghostmoo.org 6969) Message-Id: Status: RO Content-Length: 41418 Lines: 1042 Message 9330 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu May 22 08:01:18 2003 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: My Baby :) http://netsville.com/~quinn/personal/spud/ -------------------------- Message 9331 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu May 22 17:51:48 2003 EDT From: Ceri (#24980) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Congrats Kudos to the new parents. Your little precious girl was born on my 26th wedding anniversary!!! May you all enjoy growing up together!!!! (I didnt until I was 16 when my son was born!) -------------------------- Message 9333 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu May 22 18:38:41 2003 EDT From: Nny (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: baby Q! gratz quin omgwtf ur a dad lol wtf Right on dude. =D -------------------------- Message 9334 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat May 24 17:32:52 2003 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Quinn's Baby! Wow, cool news, Quinny! Best wishes to you and Mom and, of course, the darling Princess! baby girls are awesome! *hugs* DB -------------------------- Message 9335 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat May 31 23:56:18 2003 EDT From: Augustus (#18463) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Funny >State Trooper >There was a middle aged guy who bought a brand new Mercedes convertible SLK. >He took off down the road, flooring it up to 80 mph and enjoying the wind blowing through what little hair he had left on his head. > >"This is great," he thought and floored it some more. >Then he looked in his rearview mirror and there was a highway patrol Trooper behind him, blue lights flashing and siren blaring. > >"I can get away from him with no problem" thought the man and he floored it some more and flew down the road at over 100 mph. >Then he thought, "What am I doing? I'm too old for this kind of thing" and pulled over to the side of the road and waited for the state trooper to catch up with him. >The trooper pulled in behind the Mercedes and walked up to the man. "Sir," he said, looking at his watch. > >"My shift ends in 30 minutes and today is Friday the 13th. >If you can give me a reason why you were speeding that I've never heard before, I'll let you go." >The man looked back at the trooper and said, "Last week my wife ran off with a state trooper and I thought you were bringing her back. >"The state trooper replied, "Have a nice day". -------------------------- Message 9336 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jun 1 00:00:03 2003 EDT From: Augustus (#18463) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Dog Lovers Notice to people who visit my home 1. The dog lives here. You don't. 2. If you don't want dog hair on your clothes, stay off the furniture. 3. Yes, he has some disgusting habits. So do I and so do you. What's your point? 4. OF COURSE he smells like a dog. 5. It's his nature to try to sniff your crotch. Please feel free to sniff his. 6. I like him a lot better than I like most people. 7. To you he's a dog. To me he's an adopted son who is short, hairy, walks on all fours and doesn't speak clearly. I have no problem with any of these things. 8. Dogs are better than kids. They eat less, don't ask for money all the time, are easier to train, usually come when called, never drive your car, don't hang out with drug-using friends, don't smoke or drink, don't worry about whether they have the latest fashions, don't wear your clothes, don't need a gazillion dollars for college, and if they get pregnant you can sell the pups. 9. The same applies for the cats, except they will ignore you...until you're sleep. -------------------------- Message 9337 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jun 1 00:04:47 2003 EDT From: Augustus (#18463) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: 1st Annual "DUH" Awards Question: If you could live forever, would you and why? Answer: "I would not live forever, because we should not live forever, because if we were supposed to live forever, then we would live forever, but we cannot live forever, which is why I would not live forever," --Miss Alabama in the 1994 Miss USA contest. [wanna bet on her hair color]? "Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I mean I'd love to be skinny like that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff," -- Mariah Carey [now we know why she's such a sensitive actress] "Smoking kills. If you're killed, you've lost a very important part of your life," -- Brooke Shields, during an interview to become spokesperson for a federal antismoking campaign. "I've never had major knee surgery on any other part of my body," ! --Winston Bennett, University of Kentucky basketball forward. "Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country," -- Mayor Marion Barry, Washington, DC. [it helps to read crime stats when you're stoned] "We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees," -- Jason Kidd, upon his drafting to the Dallas Mavericks. "That scoundrel deserves to be kicked to death by a jackass, and I'm just the one to do it," -- A congressional candidate in Texas. "I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves." -- John Wayne [just because they've been here 10,000 years, you'd think they had rights or something] "Half this game is ninety percent mental." -- Philadelphia! Phillies manager, Danny Ozark Danny was never really good at the stats part of baseball] "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." -- Al Gore, Vice President "If you let that sort of thing go on, your bread and butter will be cut right out from under your feet," -- Former British foreign minister, Ernest Bevin. "I love California. I practically grew up in Phoenix." -- Dan Quayle [days like this....I really miss Dan] "It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or another" -- George Bush, US President "We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?" -- Lee Iacocca [not all of us can afford mink-lined oxygen masks, Lee] "I was provided with additional input that was radically different from the truth. I assisted in furthering that version," -- Colonel Oliver North, from his Iran-Contra! testimony. [Lied. Say it slowly, Ollie....L-I-E-D] "The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein," -- A sports analyst. "We don't necessarily discriminate. We simply exclude certain types of people." -- Colonel Gerald Wellman, ROTC Instructor. "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." -- ! Bill Clinton, President "We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur." -- Al Gore, VP "Traditionally, most of Australia's imports come from overseas." -- Keppel Enderbery "The loss of life will be irreplaceable." -- Dan Quayle "I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have is that I didn't study my Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people." -! - Dan Quayle, VP [I mean it, I really do miss him!] "It is wonderful to be here in the great state of Chicago!" -- Dan Quayle, VP "Hawaii is a unique state. It is a small state. It is a state that is by itself. It is different from the other 49 states. Well, all states are different, but it's got a particularly unique situation." -- Dan Quayle, VP [they made him swim home after that one] "Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we received notice that you passed away. May God bless you. You may reapply if there is a change in your circumstances." -- Department of Social Services, Greenville, South Carolina [right after you call the New York Times] "We apologize for the error in last week's paper in which we stated that Mr. Arnold Dogbody was a defective in the police force. We meant, of course, that Mr. Dogbody is a detective in the police farce." -- Correction Notice in the Ely Standard, a British newspaper "If somebody has a bad heart, they can plug this jack in at night as they go to bed and it will monitor their heart throughout the night. And the next morning, when they wake up dead, there'll be a record." -- Mark S. Fowler, FCC Chairman [and they'll cut off your food stamps] -------------------------- Message 9338 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jun 1 00:47:35 2003 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: This will make you crazy http://www.liquidgeneration.com/sabotage/optical_sabotage.asp -------------------------- Message 9339 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jun 1 17:24:38 2003 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) @subscribe *humor -------------------------- Message 9340 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Jun 2 22:33:26 2003 EDT From: Jak_the_Yak (#20718) To: *Chat (#5391) and *theme-issues (#86) Subject: This Is Getting Ridiculous I want to be a moo aristocrat. It has recently come to my attention that those who are so blessed as to have the letter 'Y' in their names are given disgusting benefits over the rest of the players on this moo who log in day in and day out in feeble attempts to better their own characters without the blatant assistance of absent GMs. If I was able to fly on a gigantic mood-lizard I would no longer have to wait 10 minutes in a helicopter to fly to Jizo. After all, Dragons are 'Magic' and can defy all laws of moo physics that enslave the rest of us to long copter rides. Whoops, I'm sorry, that should be 'Magick' shouldnt it... I also want to have a stat-god lizard do all of my hunting for me so that I can afford to purchase big-ticket items and store them in a locked chest in Mount Morlith and not log on for 200 days, let alone go IC for a year and a half. Now, I know what you're all thinking, 'Wow, this is all it takes to make jak think he's equal? Thats nothing at all!' But no, there's more, I'd also like to have everything retconned that doesn't agree with my own financial endeavours. I hate when a player who is more intelligent than me manages to outwit me and my wiz-given gains, thusly lowering me to the level of petty wastelander. Ugh, I mean, it's almost as if this MOO was orignally themed on the wasteland or something! All of that sand would definately chafe if it got under my dragonplate. That is if I ever took it out of my chest. I think everyone else should have to live in publicly accesible areas while I get to be on a mountain where no helicopters can fly, no people can climb and no magic or technology can bring others. I enjoy having a rule where only those with a mastery of the alphabetic half-vowel are allowed to grace my presence. I'd hate to have someone who wasn't invited come up and rain on my parade in the sky. No Warp Tubes! Warp Tubes are for people who scrimp and save but can't get dragons to fly them around. I think it's very feasible that some sort of super-magick is stopping all technology from working on the Mount, but I still want to be able to use GPS's, and Bioscanners and Statlinks. Everyone else gets to, so why should I not have something they do! After all, I'm going to become a moo elite. The more I type the more fun this whole idea sounds. I say we start a brand new elite group of people. Only I can join, and I get 200000 crystals and a pet demon that kills everything in one hit and parries any attack. I never realised such powers could be bestowed upon me by a GM. Unfortunately the only active GMs nowadays don'y seem to enjoy giving away frivolous gifts to undeserving players such as myself. I just wish they were allowed to revoke such gifts from undeserving players that dont log on. I apologize to all of the people who have to read this. You are not the problem. I just want to leave everyone with one question, since I've been here for many years longer than Jaks age reveals... 'When Did The Whole Theme Go All To Shit?' -------------------------- Message 9341 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Jun 3 11:26:11 2003 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: 'Earned' So do you have any idea that you had to wait over 1 year RL of real RP in order to not only wait for dragon eggs to hatch? Did you realize that it takes so many months for dragons to even grow to full height to carry passengers? Did you know how much players roleplayed their heart out of their characters without using a shotgun to get things the way they wanted? No. This glorified BS about hunting a dragon is idiotic, crystals a dragon gets are a dragons. If you want to complain, bitch about soulmechs. Those players were using them to hunt for them constantly. Did I mention soulmechs without a pilot can kill a dragon hands down? Oh sorry. You're a retard, so you wouldn't know these things. Point of this, is that you're an ignoramus who has no clue what you're even talking about. You've got one recomb character, and all you ever do is whine. Why don't you do something for a change thats beneficial to the other players? -------------------------- Message 9342 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Jun 3 12:04:33 2003 EDT From: Xrara (#16047) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Soulmechs and crystals It is my understanding, and I asked Ake to clarify, that yes mechs can hunt for crystals, but that so could dragons and their riders. If you are giving your crystals to your dragon, go for it, but don't drag mechs/pilots into the fight. A mech could probably kill a dragon, but they are built the same as dragons, they auto attack if attacked first. So..the only way for a mech to kill a dragon would be for some rider to leave their dragon on the ground where some mech/pilot could get to it, or attack a mech first. That kind of fighting sounds fair to me. And, if you had cared to ask, If a mech is shutdown and disengaged, it won't attack back. So..if you are attacking an unmanned mech thats turned on, you take your chances. And as a side note, I can't puppet my mech and make it run around killing things unless I'm in it. Hmmmph! Mechs don't have the safety of Morlith where no one can get to them. If you've looked at any of the mechs in the wastes/gw etc, you would see that they are all beat to shit. Nor do they have the safety of tents. I'm sure a bunch of mechs are safe in tents at the moment since their pilots haven't logged on, but recently Ake has said mechs aren't allowed in tents, no matter what they are renamed or described as. I personally kept moving my mech around until I found a place where I could keep her safe. And no, the firezone isn't safe. Mechs can and will kick the shit out of other mechs. All is fair in love and war. When was the last time a dragon got Icly attacked? It's pretty impossible unless some character forgot their dragon sitting on the helipad. I do agree partly with Yak, in this age of technology, ingenuity and the need to kill, not one person has learned to scale a mountain. My point being, although after a lot of prattle, is that..there isn't a lot happening on the game, the few of us that do play need some IC goal to continue showing up. And for me, Ake's soulmech chronicles even state that pilots don't like dragons. That being the case, I'll kill them if I find them. If a dragonrider comes across my mech, they are more than welcome to try to take it out. As for Yak being a retard, well..he's a retard that logs in and doesn't hide in his room. He takes his chances like the few of us that do wander out of our rooms and want to play. Everyone needs a goal, and if his is dragonkilling, good for him. Just my two canadian cents, spend them as you wish. -------------------------- Message 9343 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Jun 3 12:26:11 2003 EDT From: Xrara (#16047) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Oh ya Oh ya, while I'm ranting also, Yak asked a question about theme. I'm with him. I don't understand how a post apocolypse wasteland themed game could have dragons, dead or alive, and an untouched 1700's spam filled N'Orleans. I can live with the dragons, they've been here since before I got here..but N'Orleans, it hurts my head just thinking about that area. A lot of the rooms are a page and a half in neverending descriptions that you get lost in around the third line and then the next room is a generic room with no description. The exits..whoa. I put my options to -exit_sentences and still I have to read on my LIST of exits 'around the next bend where the waterfall bubbles you hear water and could go west (west, waterfall, bubble, w). Sheesh, isnt that what exit sentences are for? Now, there are lots of GM's who have built areas that no longer log in, or just hop on for two seconds just to trick the players into thinking that maybe they are here to stay, and yes, also the GM's that are always here and don't do a damn thing. The first two being the worst, since they won't fix anything and leaving them pages/mail is just an excercise in typing skill. At least the lazy Gm's can be reached and pestered. I'm thinking it's time that some of those areas built by GM's that never log in/hop on and leave (once every year) get passed onto a builder character that has a PW accessible to other GM's so that I can pester any GM on the game and get them to fix something. Please Quinn :) I'm rambling and like it :) -------------------------- Message 9344 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Jun 3 12:51:21 2003 EDT From: Elendil (#2237) To: *Chat (#5391) Musta hit pretty close to home to get Dante all riled up like that. -------------------------- Message 9345 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Jun 3 18:16:51 2003 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Well, of course it hit close to home. Most of my friends are riders, I wasn't the one who flew an undead dragon to Morlith and killed all the dragons while the riders were sleeping, was I? -------------------------- Message 9346 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Jun 3 18:17:58 2003 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re:Well, of course it hit close to home. Damn I wish I was there to see that!! What a hoot! -------------------------- Message 9347 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Jun 3 21:02:33 2003 EDT From: Jak_the_Yak (#20718) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Now now Dante, no need to shat your chaps. First off Dante, I'd like to point out that I've been here longer than you, so while you boast about having a plethora of alts, it should be noted that most of us look down upon that sort of thing and aren't wowed by your ability to use multiple email addresses. After all, I had always thought that having more than one character and one alt was frowned upon by the GMs. Not that that's an issue because many people do it. I can't help but chuckle at how squirrely you get over someone pointing out that things are wrong. I'm not trying to place the blame solely on Dragons and their riders, but if you were to take a minute and stop humping your text-lizard you'd realize how far we've strayed from the once 'post-apocalyptic' theme seemed to be originally intended. N'Orleans, Drach'nal, Morlith and even Jizo are lush utopias of green flora and beautiful mountains. Why is R/T supposed to be the center of human civilization when it is trapped in a wasteland while there's still such lovely places existing after the apocalypse? In my humble opinion I don't even think that Subbies, Recombs or Mages should be in such abundance. The submariners were understandable when they were first planned out to be humans genetically altered at birth to have gills. Understandable. Recombs could make sense since they are genetically engineered by one of the (supposed) major corporations still surviving in the future. Unfortunately I don't believe that many, if any, recombs play their roles well. Myself included. Mages were tolerable before they had ridiculous spells and when the GMs were ablew to go IC, it gave a feasible in-game explanation for their coding powers. Unfortunately, many mages turned into glorified David Copperfields who ride around on Multi-coloured mood-based lizards and bitch everytime a PK with testicles shoots them with a shotgun for being an ass. But that's ok, because said mage would try to get it retconned because the PK didn't shout, "Thou Wilt Taste My Gun." Like it's really so out of character for someone wanting to kill a pompous ass. Now Dante, you can say I'm not doing anything to help the players on this moo, but I beg to differ. By pointing out what isn't working I'm trying to bring issues to the forefront. If you'd take a minute from text-fucking one of your 30 alts and began typing with both hands again you'd understand that there are only a handful of people who go IC and don't hide like cowards. As far as I can tell, the only people you are benefitting by logging on are the makers and distributors of KY Jelly. So next time you decide to log in as Dante, Devon, Naxos, Waterboy, Minos, Kijindei or any other one of your alts, maybe you should go IC and play your stock character persona of being an arrogant, unwitty putz. At least that way the moo could count its active population as one higher. That is of course if you're willing to fly down from Morlith and get off your dragon. -------------------------- Message 9348 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Jun 3 22:42:12 2003 EDT From: Elendil (#2237) To: *Chat (#5391) You say 'killed all the dragons while the riders were sleeping' like it's a bad thing. -------------------------- Message 9349 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Jun 3 22:43:08 2003 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Yeah, why would you want to kill them when the riders are awake.. You'd have to watch all the weird sex things they do up there. -------------------------- Message 9350 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Jun 3 23:18:38 2003 EDT From: Jak_the_Yak (#20718) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ri-god-damn-diculous FREE ELENDIL! This is horse shit. -------------------------- Message 9351 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Jun 4 02:25:35 2003 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Mechs, Dragons, etc. If a Dragon can go on the wheel and hunt for cyrstals, I see no reason why a mech wouldn't be able to perform the same feat. Granted, they can not currently go to the wheel, jizo, etc (unless someone has changed something since I've kept up on the *boards), but I was hoping to release creatures eventually for mechs to hunt in the firezone. If a mech is attacked, it will attack back, yes. Unless it's shutdown and disengaged. If they are down and out, they are easy targets, if you can get past their armor. As for mechs and dragons, well. If people attack dragons with mechs and mechs with dragons, so be it. Mechs weren't made to be obliterated and I doubt Dragons were either, so if you fight a mech, be prepared to either a) have some sort of twinky riot armor from the past, b) attack and flee, c) hang out in the ghostwheel and eat crystals. However, if you mechers are sparring your mechs, I can and will (and have) reset them back to their base stats. Mechs get stronger as the pilots do, so if you need to spar, spar your player. Just because I'm not on all the time doesn't mean I'm not watching/doing anything. Tents: Mechs CAN NOT stay in tents. If I see mechs in tents/renamed tents, they're going out of play. I won't allow it. too much twink potential there. I'm serious, you put a mech in a tent, expect to be out of the class shortly afterwards. As for the alt bit.. eh, everyone has alot of alts. let it go. If we start weeding alts, then we'll lose more of the population than we have already. Areas: Shadowbrook is still kicking around (and is even linked in the wasteland, wow! go figure), I think I toasted Oil Rig Sigma and the firezone is still available to the mechs. The area(s) I've mentioned all fit the "post apocalyptic" theme, but yeah most of the MOO is kind of the "regrown post apocalyptic" variety. Whee, have fun kiddies.. and try not to fight too much, though I am kind of glad to see activity (negative or otherwise) on here. -Ake -------------------------- Message 9352 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Jun 4 11:48:02 2003 EDT From: Xrara (#16047) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Just to verify what I know might come up Date: Wed Jun 4 11:19:25 2003 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: Xrara (#16047) Subject: Re: Questions If they can get to GW on a shuttle without any sort of cheating, I don't see why they still can't go there. -Just thought I'd share, for those of you who see mechs at the wheel.- P.S. The only shuttle accessible to mechs is the wasteland gates one, no other exits/areas have shuttles that the mechs can get to by walking. -------------------------- Message 9353 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Jun 4 19:41:30 2003 EDT From: Yalindra (#13170) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: On Dragons Just to clear up a bit of a fallacy about dragons that seem to be flying around, I quote page 12 of the Dragonrider class book available for viewing in the OOC Air lounge (@go ooc, then NE): [...] "Realize also that a dragon is not a sparring partner, a hunting machine, or a cheap plot device for the benefit of your character. Dragons are (to a certain extent) like humans, possessing feelings, personality, morals, attitudes, etc. They are not your servants. Riders observed abusing their dragons in this manner will be disciplined with extra duty on the Mount (OOC grounding), or possibly lose their dragon and be ejected from the class (subject to wizardly decision.)" Ergo the argument that a dragon is a rider's twinky sparring partner or hunting machine is false. By all means, if you have seen a rider or dragon acting in this manner, do not hesitate to contact any online GM (most likely Bish...I think he's acting class GM in Dragonbabe's absence?), or even myself. As for the rest of the thread, I'm going to kindly keep my hands out of it as it appears to be little else than non-constructive name-calling and mug-slinging. -------------------------- Message 9354 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Jun 4 19:43:22 2003 EDT From: Venom (#20510) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Dragonriders All dragonriders love the cock.. just love it! -------------------------- Message 9355 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jun 5 13:39:35 2003 EDT From: Ceri (#24980) To: Bishamon (#23011), Fortitude (#24841), Akeashar (#20348), Quinn (#2), Ceri (#24980), ClockJerk (#22209), and *Chat (#5391) Subject: cheating I can vouch for the fact htat Clockjerk had NEVER hit a dragon!. He was duped cily by ferox to go to Morlith in a cheaters attempt to ambush the guy just to kill him for being there and then take away his boomstick. This is the typist ferox's second attempt to gain access to the damn boomstick. I mean if he wants one, shouldnt he just get it like everyone else? He told CLockjerk that the dragons autoattack strangers, well according to Yalindra that isnt true. I know for a fact, cuz I was there, that Clockjerk had never hit a dragon on Morltih on the only other time he was there. I am told there is a log of the ambush in a tec's possesion also. I for one, think that this HAS to stop! THer cant be one set of rules and justice for everyone, and then another for a special typist! I know I am rambling, but this irks me to no end. Yes, Clock went there icly. But to manipulate the puupets because you CAN, to gain a weapon and to piss off a player is cheating, no matter what! I ask for justice, swift and as hard as that Clockjerk and Elendil received. I am asking that the typists characters (all of them since they share the efforts to puupet the dragon population and not just the one that one actually owns) and to make restitution to Clock by giving back his endurance point, and his boomstick! Long live the underdog!!! I am now done ranting. Thank you. -------------------------- Message 9356 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jun 5 17:10:52 2003 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Say it with me... A-D-V-A-N-T-A-G-E. I personally believe Soul Mechs and Dragons should be able to do a lot more with them than they are allowed now. It's called an advantage, because you have a, wow, advantage, over someone else. A mech, logically, would kill you. Using a mech's weapon in combat, unless you installed it on a jeep or a tank, isn't possible. Use your brains, kitties. A chain gun bigger than YOU is not something you should be wielding. Plus, its not like the mech is ICly holding a chain gun in his hand. Most of the descriptions say they are attached to its arm. So if you know enough Advance mechanics to take it off without breaking it, and know how to trigger it without the Mechs cockpit, than by all means, do so. Also, Morlith isn't that much fun. I know you think its all some Winter Wonderland with toys and candy and fun rollercoasters, but guess what? It's just a set of rooms, with some big lizard ADVANTAGES, some not-illegal MOO sex, a few Dragon riders, and the Sarkus. Wow. Lock yourself in a tent, and you have the same protection. And by the way, shooting someone with a shotgun is not showing testicles. Running at them with a knife is showing testicles. Until further stupidity arises, I'm done. And then, I might not care enough to post anyway. -Da Waterlogged Druid. -------------------------- Message 9357 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jun 5 19:53:14 2003 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Uhhh. Okay, first of all, I told Matt and Clockwork they would be attacked if they went up. Second of all even ICLY Ferox offered to give back the boomstick, which he said to keep it. Now, this is the 2nd time he somehow got to Morlith. The cheating in question was performed by a warp tube set by an unknown agent. The question posed, is how did he get a warp tube, which does work on Morlith, set to Morlith? It's unlikely he 'found' it, so that is what the question of cheating is about. -------------------------- Message 9358 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jun 5 19:55:20 2003 EDT From: Elendil (#2237) To: *Chat (#5391) The chaingun in no way indicates that it is larger than man-sized. In fact, it says it is the size of a shotgun. If you can't trust a weapon's description and whether or not a player can use it, you can't trust any weapon. And I paid my dues getting it off a Mech that was _shooting it at me_ to begin with. So bite me. -------------------------- Message 9359 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jun 5 20:23:11 2003 EDT From: Yalindra (#13170) To: Ceri (#24980) and *Chat (#5391) Subject: On Dragons, reprise I'll start this off by saying that I have no idea what went on with this apparently third Mount invasion/boomstick theft/whatever the heck it is. I just wanted to respond to Ceri's comment that I apparently confirmed that 'dragons don't autoattack strangers'. While it is true, codedly and OOCly that yes, dragons won't attack anyone unless they attack them first, or else if their rider has them set to ambush or specifically uses the attack command. What I think needs to be addressed here is the simple fact that the reality of the game world is limited by players needing to 'connect' and be active. Just because there are no riders connected and the code says that all dragons will be perfectly pacifist unless you attack them doesn't mean that it's so ICly. DB made a post to the DR list recently about this, after I raised the question about Mount OOC security and such. Until she or another wiz reposts/forwards it, you'll have to trust me when I quote: "It has always been that there are people on the Mount other than just the $player_chars> We have three that are physical NPCs, and it has been stated many times in the past that there are others. We had a system of 'duties/jobs' in the past that applied to the 'unseen' Riders and the $player ones. There are always Dragons and Riders on watch. Some may be on the Mount, the ledge and gardens and another or others would be patrolling the skies. 24/7. Players (moo-wide) were informed of that, riders or not. It is illogical that the Dragons or the Riders would leave their home open and undefended." I think this is the 'autoattack' Dante/Devon was alleged to have referred to...that ICly there are more people up there than just the (in)active PCs, the three NPCs and the bunches of loafing dragons. Does this mean that I feel any non-rider who sets foot on the Mount through whatever means should be shot on sight? No. But I do feel that the NPC community of Morlith, dragons included, would provide them quite the unhappy reception and prevent the unexpected guest from running around the caverns like a mischievious little elf, making off with anything not nailed down. Anyway, pardon the spam, but I just wanted to clear that little bit up. I now return you to your regular *Chat thread. -------------------------- Message 9360 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jun 5 20:30:16 2003 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) I'm a little surprised you can actually convince yourself of that. The description was probably the generic gun message, which you know. It isn't all about exactly what the code lets you do, otherwise there would be nothing wrong with exploiting code loops holes (which is what you did). Code doesn't cover everything, that's where IC common sense comes in. Though I guess I can see the problem there. -------------------------- Message 9361 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jun 5 21:31:44 2003 EDT From: Elendil (#2237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Welly welly well @hangouts The Real/Time Lounge [Bustling, 100% IC An lounge in the R/T building. -------------------------- Message 9362 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Jun 6 11:16:15 2003 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Meh. Over the past few days, I've been doing nothing but arguing and complaining and ranting at this player after another. I don't care about personal interests and other decisions that may have influenced what I said, but I'm just really treading down a thin line of frustration. Mainly I guess I don't handle rejection well, and took it on a very personal line when most of the so called, "active" players decided to attack me repeatedly. I have my own problems I'm coming to terms with this summer, and because of that I don't think I should play GW for a while. It's not going to help me if I start doing all the old behaviors that I am trying to fix because of the frustration that I've been feeling. When I become desperate, I don't think before I do things, I just act out of anger, and bitterness and annoyance and frankly I don't want to have to do that. Main thing, I'm sorry if I said anything that hurt other peoples feelings and I'll maybe see you around sometime next month. It's just better this way for now, so enjoy your Summer. -------------------------- Message 9363 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Jun 6 13:34:30 2003 EDT From: Nny (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Uh Furthermore, don't sit around bitching about the people who built this game. It's ungrateful and bitchy and just uncool in general. That may sound a little hypocritical coming from me. Nonetheless, if you take -- say -- Darby, I still respect the work she put into this place. Even if she was a rabid bitch and even when I'm in a whiny mood and hate everyone. These are the same fights and arguments from 4 years ago. 6 years ago. 8 years ago. I remember when I was the one being tricky and stealing weapons from unlocked tents and trying to kill dragons and bitching about how everyone else had unfair advantages over me. None of it matters. No resolution is in sight. There never will be. Lock and load and game on, motherfuckers. And remember Rathe has a shotgun too. ;) Knee -------------------------- Message 9364 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Jun 6 14:21:18 2003 EDT From: Xrara (#16047) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: In response Being the nature of moo, yes, I can sit around and bitch and voice my opinion like the mass of others before me. I doubt any GM/Tech on this game took the job wearing rose coloured glasses and believing that there would never be complaints or some form of accountability. Newtons Law states that for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. Im just helping physics along and proving its point. While I have nothing against the GM's who built the place and DO respect that they took their time to do it, I don't have to like some of the stuff they did. And if there is a player here who ABSOLUTELY loves every single thing about this game or any other moo, I'd love to meet them. If a GM is going to take criticism personally, perhaps being a GM wasnt the wisest choice of things to do on a game. Lord knows we've all heard enough OOC complaints about us as players. The bunch of cheaters, liars, and code loopholers, and hoarders that we are. Anyway, just my two cents, and in no way meant to bash..just an observation. >From your friendly 'cancer that ruined the game and can't RP worth shit'... oh, I forgot to mention that with the rest of the OOC complaints about players. -------------------------- Message 9365 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Jun 6 18:28:58 2003 EDT From: Elendil (#2237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Actually The chaingun has a custom description. And Jesse "The Governor" Ventura carries one in Predator. Some folks may not believe this, but I wouldn't have used it if I honestly thought that were illegal. But, of course, that's not the point. Instead, I'm expected to anticipate what every other person might object to over every thing I do, and stop accordingly. It's basically a minority veto where no matter how much perfect IC sense something makes, if a single person thinks it's unfair, off you go. Again, I'm not naive enough to think that'll change anytime soon. I do, however, expect it to be applied evenly. For example, I think it unfair that dragons can instantly fly to any point on the globe. I also find it illogical that all living dragons never need to sleep and spend 24 hours a day in constant vigilance, while their riders sleep for years at a time. I think @ejecting a comatose player is illegal, and using one alt to rescue another is also illegal. Lastly, I think it only fair that PCs should be able to critique GM areas in the same manner that GMs feel free to retroactively judge IC events they didn't witness and only heard about third-hand. For example, there are open, public IC rooms in N'Orleans that have the generic OOC room description. There are also undescribed exits. Anne Rice must be rolling over in her grave. love, E -------------------------- Message 9366 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Jun 6 19:41:01 2003 EDT From: Camber (#22034) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Players > enough OOC complaints about us as players. The bunch of cheaters, > liars, and code loopholers, and hoarders that we are. Well said. -------------------------- Message 9367 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Jun 6 20:19:47 2003 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: -Quinn and baby. This is fabulous news. I know I'm a pain in your ass in game life, but in real life, I wish all the happiness to you and yours. Pam -------------------------- Message 9368 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Jun 7 03:01:55 2003 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Enough about the stupid mech weapons Though Ventura carried a chaingun/gatling gun/whatever in Predator, this isn't the same thing. Perhaps my lack of proper description caused this turmoil, but I will quote from the @mnotes (which mechers should've read anyway since I posted about it long ago. other people probably have never seen it.) "..weaponry looking to be a larger version of the Old Apache's vulcan cannon.." All mech weapons are large, too heavy for people to pick up, and shouldn't be carried around like a shotgun/sword. That being said, if by some wierd chance I see any PC with a mech weapon in their possession, expect a trip to jail. Ake -------------------------- Message 9369 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Jun 9 15:46:38 2003 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Omega World Anyone out there get Dungeon Magazine? Issue #94 / Polyhedron #153 has a d20 version of the old Gamma World called Omega World. I'm trying to edonkey it now. My local gaming shop doesn't have the issue, and ordering a single back issue online for double the cover price bugs me. -------------------------- Message 9370 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Jun 9 17:28:48 2003 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Check on Lambda with Isagi or his wifey, Boater Quack, Quinn. I'd ask, but my brother isn't speaking to me at the moment. Heh. --------------------------