From quinn@fazigu.org Thu May 22 12:06:04 2003 Return-path: Envelope-to: quinn@fazigu.org Received: from constr1-host1.corridor.net ([66.100.236.130] helo=yami.57thstreet.com) by requiem with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19IsZv-0005HB-00 for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:06:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 99731 invoked from network); 22 May 2003 16:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moo.ghostmoo.org) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 May 2003 16:14:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:14:10 -0400 From: "Quinn@Ghostwheel" To: quinn@fazigu.org Subject: Ghostwheel Message(s) 9275 - 9329 from *Chat (#5391) X-Mail-Agent: Ghostwheel (moo.ghostmoo.org 6969) Message-Id: Status: RO Content-Length: 33716 Lines: 894 Message 9275 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 15 01:27:49 2003 EDT From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Not to be personal here, but... I'm taking Elendil's posts seriously because YOU are showing factual evidence and your personal beliefs on the situation without resorting to petty name-calling and right-wing extemist perspectives on the world. Yes, Elendil, most anti-war people dislike Bush in the first place (as well as Saddam, but hey...) Just like most conservatives hated Clinton and every single little thing he did while he was in office. I think America is pretty much split down the middle as far as morals goes, and Bush doesn't reflect the anti-war morality. But there are also some loopholes in your argument, just because "we invented planes" doesn't mean they can't use it. The old Arab world invented Algebra (that's an Arabic word), and gave us huge strides in astronomy and mathematics... Doesn't mean WE can't use it, right? Just something to ponder. But anyways, I appreciate your input, and RESPECT it, unlike some of you (which I'll ignore, since it's pointless) who think the world is just black & white. Being so hard-ass pisses a lot of people off, however. You need to find a delicate balance. Right now the White House is making plans to invade Syria, and eventually Iran, under more "terrorist/WMD" euphemisms. Frankly the U.S. just wants to control the Middle East. And if anybody agrees with that, you need to take a good class on international culture. It's time we respect human beings no matter what country they live in. -------------------------- Message 9276 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 15 15:16:33 2003 EDT From: Darius_Lee (#10280) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Stuffers Okay, as the only middle easterner around (as far as I know) I shall chime in my random two cents. Saddamn Hussein has killed more Muslims than any other person in world HISTORY He killed over 100,000 poeple in the Iraq/Iran War... with chemical weapons provided to him , by the US. NOw if you want to talk about WHY people hate the US in large part this is the reason in the middle east. US does not have a reputation for standing by it's middle eastern allies nor for keeping its word once it's done so. THe US installed the Shah into power in IRan, Carter decided that the Shah who was the most progressive leader in the Middle East, who permitted women to wear veils, gain an educated, and wear make-up, all things forbidden by islam fundamentalists (there is a difference between what is written in the koran and what is preached anyways Carter decided that SHah violated Human rights by having too many people in jail. So he sent a general to the Shah's papalce and who told him that the U.S. would no longer support him, basically throwing this guy to the fundamentaliast wolves. So when Carter gave him his marching orders the SHah left the country saying that he would rather never see the land of his birth again then spill one drop of IRanian blood for his sake, if the people did not want him he would not remain--- yeah a real human rights violator there, real bad guy to be forcefully removed from office. WHat next descneded on Iran was deacades of d fundamentalist rule and tyranny, my Aunt who was the first women to attend college (for that university) who was a high ranking doctor and earned her own livng was forced out of a joba nd her and her husband eventually had to flee the country because she was a reformist muslim not a fundamentalist. I have family members who used to ride the Shah's horses, he was that open to his people. But the US kicked him out, Iraq/Saddmam then thought this was the perfect time to attack the country while it was weak with transition between governments, so h e did thus began the IRaq/Iran war, and when iran started winning the war the US gave Saddman chemical weapons because Iran was a human righst violator, . Saddman used them thousands of people died, never knew what was coming, compeltely defenseless, no one had ever dealt with such an attack before in the middle east. So you want to know why the middle east hates the US?? It's because of actions like that, the US has done similar things to almost every country in the middle east and south america. So there's your why And what' s horribly eerie and full of irony was 2 days before 9/11 I sat and told someone that iwas only a matter of time before the US came under terrorist attack that the US had for decades been piosssing off every country in the world in some way or another and it was only a matter of time before some crackpot somewhere somehow got through. No, I do not support 9/11, I sat infront of my tv and cried. I love my country, I hate the pain it's suffered but I have to be honest about it's sins as well. Saddam is our creation, he killed over 100,000 iranians then turned his weapons on his own people killing just that many more I think the total is around 500,000. DO I believe he needed to be rov--removed, yes I do, there are no words to describe the v ileness of that man's character, but I do not agree with how the US went about it. For instead of being viewed as a liberatoing force, it viewed as a conquering force and the Arab world solidifed in support of Saddam hussein, . The UN is a puppet, it is corrput, it is problem filled, but it has the shine of relevancy, the Arab world looked to it to control the US in fear that if one government goes they all will, which could happen. So there's problably al ot of self serving desires in there. So I guess I don't really know what I"m trying to say, except that the situation here is infinetly more complex than any of us can realize and has its roots in eons of history. But the war right or wrong is for the most part over and now the Arab world is afraid that the US will reign on its word once more and Iraq shattered, or in the grips of another dictator, or set Iraq up as some kind of protectorate... ridicualous you might think but from the history these people are coming from, it's not so far gone. and I apolgize for all the ypos, I tried editing a bit but my shell doesn't allow me to see what I type so I'm a bit in the dark. -------------------------- Message 9277 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 15 17:04:53 2003 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) I'd like to put in that Saddam was fucked up anyway. We hardly created him. He had risen to the position of power by himself, and whomever gave him weapons isn't really relevant. At the time, it was a smart move. Well, maybe not smart, but not just for fun an giggles either. He would have found another way to mass murder. Mass murderers always do. -------------------------- Message 9278 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 15 18:07:14 2003 EDT From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Thanks for your post, Darius. Half of my family is middle eastern by the way. And yes, I had a premonition for 9/11 too. Three years ago in World History we were on a Middle East unit, discussing Israel, America, Palestinians, etc. I said America has been pissing off so many people, and somebody will strike back soon. Consequently my comment wasn't taken that seriously. Now we are gaining control of the Middle East, slowly pushing towards Syria and Iran, and complicating matters further. More people are going to get angry, more people are going to protest,more people are going to sign up for terrorist organizations. America only seems to find short term solutions for long term problems. -------------------------- Message 9279 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 15 18:58:42 2003 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Mikishi, I like how you change track suddenly and claim to be the one who has stayed balanced. But I was wrong to get drawn into it. I didn't mean to come off so right winged. I honestly am anything but. Just don't go off saying you hate my country. A country is a bunch of people who most of them are clueless as to what is going on around them. Now I don't care for the current adminsitration at all. They kind of scare the shit out of me. But on the flip side I have friends who are serving over there and I support them 100% and I know what kind of people they are. Good people doing a job. Accidents happen, you won't find a uglier busness than war unless it comes to religion which can get way ugly and create people who actually feel they got something to die for while taking out as many innocent people as they can. So, I'll shut up now before I go to far.. I know my friends have family or friends in the middle east too.. And I have given that a bunch of thought.. Hopefully everything comes out ok in the end. I'm not going to guess as to the future of the world since my own isn't very clear. So have fun. -------------------------- Message 9280 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 15 19:21:32 2003 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Has someone on this board already said, the more wackos we piss off, the more we must be doing something right. -------------------------- Message 9281 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 15 19:25:56 2003 EDT From: Jak_the_Yak (#20718) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Mass Murderer Mass Murderers are called Mass Murderers because they commit mass murder, therefore, if one doesn't mass murder they aren't a mass murderer and can never be called a mass murderer. Assuming that a mass murderer always finds a way to mass murder is assuming that one knows who is a mass murdererer before they commit mass murder, which is impossible simply through the use of the name mass murderer. So, do all mass murderers find a way to mass murder? Who the fuck knows. No one ever will. OK, so I'm being needlessly picky and whiney. You're probably right that he would have commited foul deeds without American-funded secret lairs and 'doomsday devices', but that doesn't mean we should make it easy for people who are 'probably gonna kill someone anyway'. I know a hobo on my street who mumbles about killing people but doesn't have a gun. Maybe someone should lend him one 'cause he's gonna do it anyway. What am I trying to say? Only this... It's Finals right now and I've been sniffing industrial grade glue which has given me a buzz of heroic proportions and allowed me to speak directly to Sir Isaac Newton. He says 'Whasssup'. The only reason I wrote any of this is that it's been a childhood dream of mine to use the term 'mass murder/er' more than 10 times in a single paragraph. Jakov the Yak (it's more fun than you'd think) - Nothin' personal Obe, I just enjoy being a Tit. Half the time I disagree with me. -------------------------- Message 9282 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 16 00:33:37 2003 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Well duh, I wasn't being literal. Obviously if he hasn't mass murdered yet, he isn't a mass murderer. It was a poignant turn of phrase to say someone with the fucked up sense of sanity that a mass murderer has is going to become one, regardless of supply. And I didn't say it was okay to give it to him because of that, I simply meant we didn't create him, and we weren't aware (probably) of his more sadistic qualities when we did it. Word. -------------------------- Message 9283 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 16 01:05:56 2003 EDT From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: important note I don't hate this country at all. I think you can still love your country but question your government. I am not this huge, paranoid type who thinks the government is out to fuck us. I just highly disagree with George Bush, his point of view, his morals, etc. and all the cronies in office who support him, as well as the way they go about things. Don't get me wrong at all. This country offers a lot to everyone. I don't have any direct friends in the military, but if I did, I'd support them all the way. It's not their fault they're going to war; so why would I be angry at them? I'm not! Why must anti-war folks be equated with "anti-troops" as well? It's absurd! Protesting, questioning, and the eternal search for truth helps out understand the war and put things into perspective. I know I can go off about my thoughts, but I still listen to others as long as they are respectful. Respect goes both ways, you know. And with respect, the more minds open up to different views. I am bullheaded in my beliefs just like anyone else. And yeah, it gets me into trouble. But hey, somebody needs to speak out. -------------------------- Message 9284 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 16 16:35:49 2003 EDT From: Nny (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: 9252 (Ceri) "Boy with arms" Yep, the Iraqi military used human shields and schools/hospitals to try and cover their own sweet asses. This says a lot about Saddam's attitudes. Human shields didn't do jack to stop american bullets. This says a lot more about Bush's psyche. Nny -------------------------- Message 9285 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 16 21:09:24 2003 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *chat Hmm, why is there so many holes in *chat?? I go back to read posts to make sure I got things right and there are tons missing.. Who's deleting things? Interesting.. Rob -------------------------- Message 9286 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 16 21:10:30 2003 EDT From: Camber (#22034) To: *Chat (#5391) The holes are in your head, not the board, Rob. :) -------------------------- Message 9287 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 16 21:11:16 2003 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Holes I'll give you such a hole.. Now if they had just of built the damn monument to me!! -------------------------- Message 9288 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 16 22:05:47 2003 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Wow Yes, the one's using the human body shields are obviously not the evil ones. And we never went to the moon either. You know gullible isn't in the dictionary? -------------------------- Message 9289 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 17 00:53:44 2003 EDT From: Nny (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Oberon Sarcasm doesn't lend you any credence, dork. :P If you'd actually read my post, I have no qualms about admitting the negative character traits displayed by Saddam Hussein. What's godawful is that Bush -- that the american military -- does not care about human shields, and is perfectly willing to fire on them. -------------------------- Message 9290 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 17 16:54:34 2003 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Neither does calling another a dork, retard. Or a retard. And I'm well aware of the entirety of your post. When someone is shooting at you, trying to kill you, while using a human body shield, what are you supposed to do? That's the answer I'd like. Run away and get more people killed, or yourself? Its unfortunate that human shields are killed, but its the person who's holding them there that is the murderer. -------------------------- Message 9291 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 17 22:26:59 2003 EDT From: Elendil (#2237) To: *Chat (#5391) http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/17/sprj.irq.casualties/index.html -------------------------- Message 9293 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 18 00:32:57 2003 EDT From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The United States has failed The U.S., as the "liberating force", has failed to institute moderate peace and authority in the Iraqi region. They claim the military wasn't designed to police, but seeing as how they want to take all the matters into their hands, it's sad that the troops weren't even taught how to control the civilians who are looting, killing and stealing from eachother. Priceless artifacts have been ripped from museums all across Bagdhad. This includes manuscripts that date 1,000-2,000 years old from the earliest civilizations that were in the process of being put into print. Now they are lost forever. This comes from the culture that invented the wheel in Mesopotamia! While the marines watch on... it's disgusting. Thanks a lot, America. -------------------------- Message 9294 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 18 16:51:58 2003 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) I'd say, thanks a lot, rioting Iraqis. But why blame the person committing the actions, right? That'd be ridiculous. -------------------------- Message 9296 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 18 17:46:32 2003 EDT From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Would have these Iraqis rioted if the American troops WERE NOT there? Probably not. Now that the American troops are there, they shouldn't just stand around idly. It's THEIR problem. Think of them as the parents trying to subdue their unruly children. It's their fault that they had the children in the first place; thus they should be authoritative and protect them and the surroundings. -------------------------- Message 9298 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 18 18:46:16 2003 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ah, I see So the Iraqis are just unruly children who can't make decisions for themselves, unable to act in a civil matter unless they're are told what to do and when to do it. This from the civilization that invented the wheel! I'm disgusted. -------------------------- Message 9299 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 18 19:20:22 2003 EDT From: Elendil (#2237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Do you read beyond the picture captions? 1) UNESCO (a UN organization, which according to you guys, can do no wrong and is the moral equivalent of God himself) issued a statement that the looting of the museum was pre-planned and involved inside help. How you expected U.S. marines to 1) telepathically anticipate this and 2) stop it while trying to also stop Fedayeen and suicide bombers is beyond me. 2) Be suspicious of any time you see a bunch of Arabs protesting with signs *written in english* directly in front of the one hotel holding english-speaking reporters. Even you can't be that naive. And, frankly, the protests are a great thing. It's an example of (albeit canned) democracy unseen in Iraq for 30 years. Next thing you know you'll be blaming the U.S. for "being mean" to Saddam and forcing him to invade Kuwait or gas thousands of Kurds or Iranians because his feelings were hurt. The thing I really love about America bashers is that they piss and moan about everything America does, yet offer no constructive solutions of their own. We all know how easy it is to pick at what someone else does, but at least America tries. And, frankly, the only reason you know about all these things is because the American press is reporting them. If it really were an occupation you wouldn't hear a damn thing, and your little bubble world would be even tinier. -------------------------- Message 9300 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 18 20:10:13 2003 EDT From: Jak_the_Yak (#20718) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: What the flubber? Hypothetically speaking, if I were an upset Iraqi, I wouldn't protest to my other upset Iraqi buddies about things by making Arabic language signs that people in other countries won't be able to read. They're no fools. It's obvious that the biggest weapon for both sides of this debate is the media. There's no need to be suspicious of a tool that is obviously working. It's international support that anti-americans want. Even the Iraqi anti-americans. They're succesful by making those english signs and standing in front of reporters. Who else would they protest to? And blaming the American troops or government for the looting of museums is downright ignorant. Human nature is solely to blame for that. There's criminals and badasses in every society, given the opportunity to steal and break things, they'll take it. The US has obviously gone into the Iraq with good intentions, and however unfortunate it is to lose priceless artifacts, there's always someone who will argue that the benefit of ousting Saddam outweighs it. There's been riots in LA, there's been riots in Vancouver, there are riots in Baghdad. People suck all over the world. I think we need to be a little more open minded when we argue with each other on *chat. Past posts look personal rather than educated. Both sides are making the same mistakes of overgeneralization. -------------------------- Message 9301 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 18 20:23:10 2003 EDT From: Elendil (#2237) To: *Chat (#5391) I think there is a world of difference between hating what America is doing, and hating America already and just using this as an excuse to rationalize that hate/jealousy. All I've heard so far is the latter. If you hate America itself, fine. But you at least better have a logical argument behind it. -------------------------- Message 9302 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 18 21:15:31 2003 EDT From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Over priceless artifacts Scholars all over the world warned the U.S. about not bombing areas that contain priceless artifacts, as well as protect them from looters after the fall of Saddam. Obviously the U.S. wasn't listening. The fact that angers me the most is how the Marines just watched on. It was reported in the PAPER. I don't understand how some of you take this in stride. It's a serious problem, and I don't think the military is doing their job. And yes, the Iraqis are unruly. And have reasons to be. But it is out of control. And yes, I have reason to blame America for it; they're the ones that should be the institutionalized force to keep the citizens from freaking out. I would freak out too if there were no water, electricity and the dictator was just brought down--but I would hesitate to do anything if the army said anything otherwise. Ohh, and anyone find that ever-elusive WMD yet? Heh heh. Wait, Syria has it. Oops. -------------------------- Message 9303 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 19 17:46:05 2003 EDT From: Nny (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: So. Dope. http://www.discover.com/may_03/gthere.html?article=featoil.html -------------------------- Message 9304 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 19 17:52:37 2003 EDT From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) ohhh SICK. i am never eating turkey again. barf. -------------------------- Message 9305 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 19 21:03:10 2003 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Over priceless artifacts So where the hell where you when the Taliban was blowing up the priceless budda statues?? Hmmmm... Oh wait, was that America's fault too? -------------------------- Message 9306 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 19 22:44:34 2003 EDT From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Of course that's not America's fault. America had nothing to do with the Taliban. America HAS something to do with "liberating" the Iraqis. This war has not accomplished much. All it has is to oust Saddam. Other than that--has it kept Bagdhad under peaceful control? No. Has it brought our allies together? No. Has it gave the overall public confidence in our administration's actions? No. Has it found WMD? No. Has it alleviated terrorist threats? Definitely not. This war is a joke. Victory? What victory! -------------------------- Message 9307 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 19 22:54:03 2003 EDT From: Elendil (#2237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Vive la France! Thank jebus none of you vote. -------------------------- Message 9308 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 20 00:28:17 2003 EDT From: Aquilya (#4188) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I don't know why I'm bothering. But I am. "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - G.W. Bush, 9/13/01 "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02 -------------------------- Message 9309 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 20 09:11:55 2003 EDT From: Bishamon (#23011) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: War in IRAQ! Well... not really. But here's the premier Japanese site to buy accessories for your cats! http://www.petoffice.co.jp/catprin/mainichi/ -------------------------- Message 9310 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 20 12:15:39 2003 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Little Mikishi, I'm pretty sure this will just fly right over your head but I'll try to explain something. I'm not sure of all the facts but I'm pretty sure that Iraq wasn't a Utopia of peace and law and order before the war, or for the last 30 some years. I got a pretty good idea that most of its citizens behaved not out of a sense of civil morality but out of fear. That being said, imagin any country where the people have been repressed to the point of breaking. You want a good example, read a Tale of Two Cities. OH those peace loving french loved chopping heads and burning at one time. And even with the fall of the Roman empire the whole world fell into what is known as the dark ages from a sudden lack of one empires control on it. There where other factors but none of these things got settled over night. So in Iraq again, I don't suspect it is right or fair to say that the American military can just show up and say ok, everyone is free, so behave yourselves. No, there is a lot of factors to consider and it will take some time. People just love to break things when they get the chance. But I suspect it will take time and many things and many people will get hurt. But change will happen. So at least be a bit patient. As far as finding WMD or terrorist, I don't think there is a easy solution, if America does nothing we are the bad guys, if we go in we are the bad guys, truth is when you are dealing with people who are so desperate for easy answers they can't see anything else but to strap a bomb to themselves and go blow up a bus of school kids I ain't sure how to fix that. Anyhow this is way to long and my brain needs more coffee.. Aquilya, Very funny how them Bush's can't remember things they've said, like father like Son.. *chuckles* Happy Easter bunny day. For those of you from other faiths, Happy day. -------------------------- Message 9311 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 20 22:35:33 2003 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Oh please. Like you've never said a statement while caught up in the moment that you didn't follow through. I'm sure we've all threatened people or swore we were going to do something we never did. It's called priorities. Something more important came up. Plus, we never stopped looking for Osama. We still have troops in Afghanistan. Just because it's not getting as much coverage as the Iraq deal (new), doesn't mean it isn't still going on. Whoa. Lot of negatives in that sentence. The media will move on to some kidnapping case after a while of this rebuilding Iraq. Guess what? It will still be happening. -------------------------- Message 9312 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Apr 21 19:23:20 2003 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Freaky people You think I'm weird?? You should check this scary person out.. www.michaelsavage.com I just got back from delivering some clocks to his house and I was scared. -------------------------- Message 9313 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 22 10:20:51 2003 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Are you kidding, Red_Fang?? You delivered clocks to Michael Savage? I love that guy! His politics are a bit radical for me, but he's an entertaining radio dude. -------------------------- Message 9314 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 22 23:48:29 2003 EDT From: Jak_the_Yak (#20718) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Savage How many clocks? -------------------------- Message 9315 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 23 20:46:16 2003 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Savage He bought 4 clocks, and refused 2 of them. -------------------------- Message 9317 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 24 03:20:27 2003 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: @send *chat Television and movies are fake too. Still damn entertaining though. -------------------------- Message 9318 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 24 03:40:47 2003 EDT From: Jak_the_Yak (#20718) To: *Chat (#5391) Really. Four clocks you say. I reckon he's up to something. No one needs that much 'time'. Were they weapons-grade clocks? -------------------------- Message 9319 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 24 11:05:06 2003 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Why did he refuse the two, Red? -------------------------- Message 9320 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 24 11:05:28 2003 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Michael Savage isn't really a racist. The others, well, maybe. -------------------------- Message 9321 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 24 15:33:52 2003 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Why be a racist when you can hate everybody? It's quite cathardic. Or however you happen to spell that word. -------------------------- Message 9322 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 24 22:16:56 2003 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: everything If you listened to him the other day you'd know he loves antique french clocks from the 1840-1890... I didn't listen but got that from a fan.. So he bought 4 clocks, 3 of which are called sets.. like one was a white onyx french clock with these brass and onyx dish things on the side.. he liked that one.. the other was a green stone which I can't spell or remember what it is called at the moment.. My oldtimers is acting up.. anyhow he liked that one.. it is wht they call a crystal regulator.. The two sets he refused where a pink marble set and a black slate set both are very nice but he didn't like them cause they where brassy or not bronze or something.. anyhow that is what they where.. He's very particular and a stange person.. I sure wouldn't want to work for him cause he was way mean to his assistant. Anyhow, as far as weapons-grade I suppose they are heavy but I can honestly say he really wouldn't need them for other reasons I won't say :) He isn't a nice person. Anyhow, that is all. -------------------------- Message 9323 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 25 09:20:53 2003 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Ha! I should have listened to his show the past few nights, see if he mentioned anything about it. -------------------------- Message 9325 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Apr 28 14:53:36 2003 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Wonderful Gallery of Pics This guy has some of the most amazing pictorials and has put back his free ScreenSavers/wallpaper downloads. Enjoy! http://www.wtv-zone.com/cal555/ -------------------------- Message 9326 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 30 17:51:23 2003 EDT From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) I know some of you still like industrial, check out my friend's band Dismantled. http://www.dismantled.org He's on Metropolis records. killa shit yo. Download some Mp3's of his. rock! -------------------------- Message 9327 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 30 17:59:35 2003 EDT From: Camber (#22034) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Dismantled Any band favorably compared to FLA in their heydey is worth checking out. Thanks for the tip, Miki. -------------------------- Message 9328 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu May 1 00:43:09 2003 EDT From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Dismantled Yeah, he's fucking GOOD. I actually met him at school when he was first starting out. Then a year passed and all of a sudden he got a record deal (Metropolis, the biggest industrial label out there...) and a huge cult following. I met up with him the other day and finally got his CD. It's amazing. -------------------------- Message 9329 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun May 4 16:01:15 2003 EDT From: Elendil (#2237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: UN personnel engage in ironic looting, US marines blamed "Annan calls on U.S. forces to do more to provide security, napkins" Diplomats seize lunchtime war booty Diplomats at the United Nations in New York went on a looting rampage Friday after workers at the organization's five restaurants walked out in a pay dispute, Time magazine reported in its online edition yesterday. The wildcat strike at noon left thousands of U.N. employees scrounging for food. As tensions grew and stomachs growled, a high-ranking U.N. official ordered security to unlock the restaurant doors, Time said. The cafeterias quickly turned into no-pay zones, and soon the hungry patrons came running. "It was chaos, wild, something out of a war scene. ... They took everything, even the silverware," an executive of the food service company that manages U.N. restaurants told Time. --------------------------