From quinn@fazigu.org Mon Dec 23 11:08:30 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: quinn@fazigu.org Received: from constr1-host1.corridor.net ([66.100.236.130] helo=yami.57thstreet.com) by requiem with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18QV82-0000WU-00 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:08:30 -0500 Received: (qmail 61665 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 16:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moo.ghostmoo.org) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 16:14:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:14:10 -0400 From: "Quinn@Ghostwheel" To: quinn@fazigu.org Subject: Ghostwheel Message(s) 9091 - 9124 from *Chat (#5391) X-Mail-Agent: Ghostwheel (moo.ghostmoo.org 6969) Message-Id: Status: RO Content-Length: 26716 Lines: 790 Message 9091 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Nov 21 01:58:01 2002 EST From: Timber (#9805) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Timber's Bows and arrows Since I am not here as much as I would like to be I have set things up that Fortitude will be dispensing bows (Shortbows only at this time) and arrows for same as needed and when I am not here. ICly, Timber would be selling them, and as I get approval from Quinn, there is a player who will be apprenticing to Timber in how to make them for the future. Hope this helps everyone. Blessings, DB -------------------------- Message 9092 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Nov 25 01:01:04 2002 EST From: Tab (#37071) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Lockpicking So I'm hearing different stories from different people and thought I'd try to clear the air here. Is lockpicking itself actually enabled so that one could potentially pick something? As well, are 'lockpicks' available somewhere and/or someone? If you know something, please write me or *chat.....THANKS! -------------------------- Message 9093 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Nov 25 01:53:27 2002 EST From: Remington_J_Yak (#20718) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Contest I need a name. Send me ideas for a name and the winner gets 1000 crystals. (Sorry, that's all my broke-ass can afford) I'm tired of being called Remington, so... NAME MY YAK [If I get more crystals by the time I get a good name the prize'll be bigger.] -------------------------- Message 9094 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Nov 27 00:15:19 2002 EST From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Remington You could be Jak the Yak Ass. -------------------------- Message 9095 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Nov 28 14:55:49 2002 EST From: Nny (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A Thanksgiving Prayer Thanks for the wild turkey and the passenger pigeons, destined to be shit out through wholesome American guts. Thanks for a continent to despoil and poison. Thanks for Indians to provide a modicum of challenge and danger. Thanks for vast herds of bison to kill and skin leaving the carcasses to rot. Thanks for bounties on wolves and coyotes. Thanks for the American dream, To vulgarize and to falsify until the bare lies shine through. Thanks for the KKK. For nigger-killin' lawmen, feelin' their notches. For decent church-goin' women, with their mean, pinched, bitter, evil faces. Thanks for "Kill a Queer for Christ" stickers. Thanks for laboratory AIDS. Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms! You always were a headache and you always were a bore. Thanks for the last and greatest betrayal of the last and greatest of human dreams. ~ William S. Burroughs, Thanksgiving Day, 1986. -------------------------- Message 9096 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Nov 28 14:57:30 2002 EST From: Darkpaw (#24594) To: *Chat (#5391) Amen, brother. -------------------------- Message 9097 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Nov 28 15:08:41 2002 EST From: Elendil (#2237) To: *Chat (#5391) The joy of free speech is putting up with that sort of thing. Although something tells me Burroughs would have secretly loved to live in a restricted society so he could get clonked on the head and dragged away by secret police, if only to verify his own importance. -------------------------- Message 9098 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Nov 28 20:42:26 2002 EST From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) That should've been on the humor board. I couldn't stop giggling. -------------------------- Message 9099 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Nov 28 22:33:25 2002 EST From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) It's funny 'cause it's true. Or something. When's Clayson going to tell us how great America is? -_^ Seriously, though -- happy holiday, peeps. (And for the canadians, Happy T-Day about a month or so late.) love, jess -------------------------- Message 9100 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Nov 29 00:50:52 2002 EST From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: funny http://www.kjartan.org/humor/Comics/Photos/Stress.gif -------------------------- Message 9101 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Dec 2 13:11:56 2002 EST From: FoxFire (#22153) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Rathe Okay, I know I'm all late and wrong for asking such a question, but oh well. It's about Rathe and how he 'died' or what have you. What actually happened? I've gotten bits and pieces here and there, but I want to whole story. As far as I understand it, Rathe and some other mage got into it and Rathe cast this big powerful spell and it backlashed on him something ferious, which leaves me asking loads of questions like who was fighting him, over what, stuff like that. So if someone knows, can you post it on here. Thanks a bunch. FFMD -------------------------- Message 9102 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Dec 2 19:30:30 2002 EST From: e-tard (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Foxfire Yeah. Rathe was 'dead' for a long time. A lot of strange shit happened. In short, he bit off more than he could chew and attempted to seize control of the Kiva (the Spirit POP beneath Real/Time), convinced that 'she' was speaking to him and instructing him as to do things. Of course, being an Adept, when he tried to actually channel the POP, he burned himself away. And dissapeared for a few years. Later he would resurface during the Nyx plot, when a dark fae showed up and started to cause trouble. Rathe consumed her and bound himself to the Forest of Thorns. There he remains. :) -------------------------- Message 9103 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Dec 5 22:22:30 2002 EST From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: say Re: Ylaerin. If you don't like it, get the fuck out. That's all I have to say on the subject. P. -------------------------- Message 9104 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Dec 6 02:27:45 2002 EST From: Shinji (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Actually I hear immigration is really easy to ireland. Anybody wanna go? I say we all pitch in about 500 dollars and take a yacht to the emerald isle. We'll open a tavern or something. -------------------------- Message 9105 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Dec 8 18:22:25 2002 EST From: Shinji (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: From America with Love Interesting article. I'm not sure if I buy it, entirely -- but I'm fairly interested in the tell-tale signs people give off, so I am, at least, thinking about it. Maybe Bush isn't so stupid after all... (Forwarded from a mailing list) Subject: [sfraves] nrr:sociopath president? I found this really disturbing but still fascinating I shall be looking at Bush's verbal mistakes more carefully. Interesting how he cannot verbalize feelings that are not congruent with him to come out correctly. It makes me wonder if I do that too. Bush anything but moronic, according to author Dark overtones in his malapropisms MURRAY WHYTE -- ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER When Mark Crispin Miller first set out to write Dyslexicon: Observations on a National Disorder", about the ever-growing catalogue of President George W. Bush's verbal gaffes, he meant it for a laugh. But what he came to realize wasn't entirely amusing. Since the 2000 presidential campaign, Miller has been compiling his own collection of Bush-isms, which have revealed, he says, a disquieting truth about what lurks behind the cock-eyed leer of the leader of the free world. He's not a moron at all. On that point, Miller and Prime Minister Jean Chretien agree. But according to Miller, he's no friend. "I did initially intend it to be a funny book. But that was before I had a chance to read through all the transcripts," Miller, an American author and a professor of culture and communication at New York University, said recently in Toronto. "Bush is not an imbecile. He's not a puppet. I think that Bush is a sociopathic personality. I think he's incapable of empathy. He has an inordinate sense of his own entitlement, and he's a very skilled manipulator. And in all the snickering about his alleged idiocy, this is what a lot of people miss." Miller's judgment, that the president might suffer from a bona fide personality disorder, almost makes one long for the less menacing nbotion currently making the rounds: that the White House's current occupant is, in fact, simply an idiot. If only. Miller's rendering of the president is bleaker than that. In studying Bush's various adventures in oration, he started to see a pattern emerging. "He has no trouble speaking off the cuff when he's speaking punitively, when he's talking about violence, when he's talking about revenge. "When he struts and thumps his chest, his syntax and grammar are fine," Miller said. "It's only when he leaps into the wild blue yonder of compassion, or idealism, or altruism, that he makes these hilarious mistakes." While Miller's book has been praised for its "eloquence" and "playful use of language," it has enraged Bush supporters. Bush's ascent in the eyes of many Americans - his approval rating hovers at near 80 percent - was the direct result of tough talk following the Sept.11 terrorist attacks. In those speeches, Bush stumbled not at all; his language of retribution was clear. It was a sharp contrast to the pre-9/11 George W. Bush. Even before the Supreme Court in 2001 had to intervene and rule on recounts in Florida after a contentious presidential election, a corps of journalists were salivating at the prospect: a bafflingly inarticulate man in a position of power not seen since vice-president Dan Quayle rode shotgun on George H.W. Bush's one term in office. But equating Bush's malapropisms with Quayle's inability to spell "potato" is a dangerous assumption, Miller says. At a public address in Nashville, Tenn., in September, Bush provided one of his most memorable stumbles. Trying to give strength to his case that Saddam Hussein had already deceived the West concerning his store of weapons, Bush was scripted to offer an old saying: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. What came out was the following: "Fool me once, shame .shame on ... you." Long, uncomfortable pause. "Fool me....can't get fooled again!" Played for laughs everywhere, Miller saw a darkness underlying the gaffe. "There's an episode of Happy Days, where The Fonz has to say, 'I'm sorry' and can't do it. Same thing," Miller said. "What's revealing about this is that Bush could not say, 'Shame on me' to save his life. That's a completely alien idea to him. This is a guy who is absolutely proud of his own inflexibility and rectitude." If what Miller says is true - and it would take more than just observations to prove it - then Bush has achieved an astounding goal. By stumbling blithely along, he has been able to push his image as "just folks" - a normal guy who screws up just like the rest of us. This, in fact, is a central cog in his image-making machine, Miller says: Portraying the wealthy scion of one of America's most powerful families as a regular, imperfect Joe. But the depiction, Miller says, is also remarkable for what it hides - imperfect, yes, but also detached, wealthy and unable to identify with the "folks" he's been designed to appeal to. An example, Miller says, surfaced early in his presidential tenure. "I know how hard it is to put food on your family," Bush was quoted as saying. "That wasn't because he's so stupid that he doesn't know how to say, 'Put food on your family's table.' It's because he doesn't care about people who can't put food on the table," Miller says. So, when Bush is envisioning "a foreign-handed foreign policy," or observes on some point that "it's not the way that America is all about," Miller contends it's because he can't keep his focus on things that mean nothing to him. "When he tries to talk about what this country stands for, or about democracy, he can't do it," he said. This, then, is why he's so closely watched by his handlers, Miller says - not because he'll say something stupid, but because he'll overindulge in the language of violence and punishment at which he excels. "He's a very angry guy, a hostile guy. He's much like Nixon. So they're very, very careful to choreograph every move he makes. They don't want him anywhere near protestors, because he would lose his temper." Miller, without question, is a man with a mission - and laughter isn't it. "I call him the feel bad president, because he's all about punishment and death," he said. "It would be a grave mistake to just play him for laughs." -------------------------- Message 9106 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Dec 8 23:46:38 2002 EST From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: say last Bush angry, aren't you? Assholes came here and killed 3000 of us, why wouldn't he be angry? There are three things of importance, your family, your freedom and your investments, be it monetary or spiritual. I think Mister Bush and his team are doing a pretty good job of securing these three things. If you're interested in tail tail sings that people give off, watch videos of Clinton. They now use those to teach the signs of a liar. p. -------------------------- Message 9107 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Dec 9 01:25:50 2002 EST From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Ummm, latest figures have lowered loss of life to less then half that number. As for being good at "securing" things, Dubya has also been good at securing inroads into our constitutional rights. Want to see something scary as hell? Go check out http://www.darpa.mil/iao/ -------------------------- Message 9108 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Dec 9 19:14:13 2002 EST From: Shinji (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Information Awareness website durandal88: this is a real site? durandal88: not just bs? durandal88: haha durandal88: i see the fnords I think that about sums it up. Hail Eris. -_- -------------------------- Message 9109 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Dec 9 19:16:25 2002 EST From: Shinji (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: also: A quote from warblogging.com ahahahahaha ---- Just as we real Christians have "faith" that Jesus will deliver us from evil, we must have "faith" that President Bush will deliver us from evil. Proponents of Mr. Bush like to call "OUR" President a Nazi merely because his grandfather did business with Nazis during World War II and his father had close associations with ex-Nazis while a member of the CIA. That doesn't make George Bush a Nazi. He asks us to "Trust Him" and I think we should at all costs. In fact, I think Jesus would approve if we changed the American Motto to "In Bush We Trust" temporally while we win "The War on Terrorism". We all know we can't trust politicians but I know politicians and Bush is no politician. We can trust George Bush to give us back our basic rights once he has won the war. I know that Bush tells the truth because when I peer into his eyes I can see his soul. You should trust me on this because I feel so strongly about this that I will go out on a limb and share with you that God spoke to me and told me that George Bush is his second begotten son, born again. Let's face it we are "ALL" Isralites and it is only George that can smite Saddam and the Philistines and save us fron eternal damnation. One should not concern themselves with any innocents who might die in the process of expungement. For surely GW will raise them from the dead as JC raised Lazrus. God Bless AMERICA and God Bless GEORGE W. BUSH. And if you can't believe in GW like JC and trust him then I suggest you should soul search to determine whether you are merely liberal or worse unAmerican or maybe an instrument of the devil himself and repent your sins. Hail Bush, Hail "Victory In Jesus II" America Uber Alles -------------------------- Message 9110 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Dec 10 02:31:55 2002 EST From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: clayson yeah, "those assholes" killed plenty... but you know what... under the Bush regime, we have and WILL kill plenty more. and now, Bush is plotting a 9/11 of his own, except it would probably be much bigger in size. just because it's a different country, just because they're far away, doesn't mean the loss of human life is any different. and you having faith in a jabbering idiot like Dubya--saying he's doing a good job--ha ha, what a fucking joke. at least Clinton got some good head and kept our economy in tip top shape. George W. will just crack down on pot, make America a police state and shave off the last tree on planet earth. Hell, I'd go for a man cheating on his wife any day in comparison to this fucker. thank you! -------------------------- Message 9111 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Dec 10 17:48:20 2002 EST From: Camber (#22034) To: *Chat (#5391) giving clinton credit for the good economy of the 90s is like giving ME credit for the shitty economy of today. He had very little to do with it. I'm sure he'd like to think he had something to do with it, but he really didn't. He was an ineffectual, doubletalking wanna-be hipster. Don't glorify a true idiot that was handed a comparative cakewalk of a presidency. I'm not a huge bush supporter, but he's got a much tougher job than clinton did. That's for damn sure. -------------------------- Message 9112 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Dec 10 18:33:50 2002 EST From: Tab (#37071) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: For anyone who can keep an open mind.. http://www.copvcia.com -------------------------- Message 9113 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Dec 10 19:00:39 2002 EST From: Tab (#37071) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I just have to add my 2 cents in this... This blind faith in Bush during this so-called 'war on terrorism' is really turning my stomach. I would nothing more to launch into why I feel this way but I've had these arguements (which is what they inevitably turn into) on various discussion boards and I don't want to start another one here. I beg of anyone that is reading this to realize that Mr. Bush and his administration have an agenda (like most western governments) that unfortunately, has nothing to do with bettering the lives of the American public. What is this agenda that I speak of? This is usually where the arguements really get going so I'll just stop here. I know there's people reading this right now thinking, "What the hell is this guy talking about?!" and this post is not intended for you. This post is for the many that have their suspicions but aren't really sure what to believe. Read and/or listen to anything by Noam Chomski There's alot more information to soak up than what you're actually being told on CNN. Conspiracy Theory? Possibly... But if you're willing to scrutiize everything that all these individuals have to say, why aren't you devoting as much of that energy into scrutinizing what the press / whitehouse is telling you? Try to obtain a copy or catch a viewing of "The Truth and Lies of 9-11" The speakers name is Mike Ruppert and he's done alot of work in this field. Read 'No Logo' by Naomi Klein But if you're willing to scrutinize everything that all these individuals have to say, why aren't you devoting as much of that energy into scrutinizing what the press/whitehouse is telling you. -------------------------- Message 9114 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Dec 10 19:02:02 2002 EST From: Tab (#37071) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Typo regarding the last half of the last post, once you read it entirely, you'll figure out my accidental copying error -------------------------- Message 9115 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Dec 10 19:18:37 2002 EST From: Elendil (#2237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Dignity I'm a registered, dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, and I have many issues with George Bush. However, I find the suggestion that he is planning some sort of 9/11 event to be offensive in the extreme. There is an institutional sickness in academia today that seems to breed this pathetic, limp-wristed sense that there is no longer Right or Wrong, that we should be paralyzed by an equality we should project over other nations that would love nothing more than to see ours in flames. It really is apologism for terrorism, and it's unacceptable. I've been to Normandy, I've seen the endless perfect rows of interspersed crosses and stars of davids for American servicemen that went overseas to fight and die to preserve the very freedoms you take so sickeningly for granted. These men fought and died and _never even made it home_. They will rest forever on foreign soil while you so gleefully espouse your tired X-files nudge nudge wink wink blather, no doubt in some comfortable, warm house over some expensive computer, stomach full of food, all of which provided by the endless and untold sacrifices of American men and women who fought the same sorts of tyranny you now make excuses for. You should get down on your hands and knees and give thanks you aren't frozen to a lathe in a gulag somewhere or on a 14 hour shift in a rice paddy as a break from your stint at the reducation camp. I have a constant and profound respect for the benefits I enjoy as an American citizen, and the sacrifices made by strangers so that I might have them. America has many problems, but at least we're trying. Enjoy your freedoms. Anyone who has studied a modicum of history, or traveled anywhere outside of North America or Europe rapidly develops an appreciation of these freedoms I find shockingly lacking here. Revel in them all, rejoice in the fact you can spout your inane garbage in public and not have visored stormtroopers kick in your front door and kill your entire family. But also consider the fact that sometimes dignity and gratitude alone should keep your damn mouth shut. -E -------------------------- Message 9116 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Dec 10 20:12:16 2002 EST From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Iao website Yes, Virigina, it is a real website. Take a look at the DNS. Not everybody gets a .mil addy. -------------------------- Message 9117 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Dec 10 20:13:28 2002 EST From: Shinji (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: elendil ..for now. We can spout our 'inane garbage' in public without visored stormtroopers kicking in our front doors for now. When the public stops questioning their leaders, those leaders will stop answering to the public. -------------------------- Message 9118 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Dec 10 21:22:20 2002 EST From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) There's a thin line between protest and over-dramatic, angered, "i'm leaving the country" "fear the police state" rhetoric. We have guns, kids, or at least most of you non-bed wetting types do. And if by some ridiculous stretch of the imagination, the government does become fascist (which it won't, not soon anyway) you can always overthrow it. So until then, protest, and be friendly kids. -Oberon, Your Friendly Neighborhood Peacemaker -------------------------- Message 9119 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Dec 11 00:09:57 2002 EST From: Jak_the_Yak (#20718) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A lighter Subject With all of the heated discussion raging on about "war" and "injustice", I would just like to point out one of the greatest injustices of all. Not remembering the things that are important! Long misunderstood as an overcooked breakfast bread, toast has never been appreciated in the way that it should be. Through a small miracle of science commonly referred to as "toasting", bread can be transformed into a brand new food without the use of extra ingredients. But wait, "Doesn't this violate the very laws of physics?", why no. Through special heating elements inside your "toaster", you are able to create a small nuclear reaction that transports unwanted bread to a small island near the North Pole, mystically summoning glorious toast into the once bread-laden compartments. Even this small wonder of nature should cause us all to "ooh' and "aaah" in a wonderous chorus of gratitude, but it doesn't stop there. Scientists working around the clock in furtid attempts to better humankinds dining habits have invented "jam". This condiment of condiments betters even the most golden brown of toasts by coating it in a hearty layer of fruity goodness. Perhaps we should all take a few moments out of our day and appreciate the unappreciated. When something as universal yet cosmicly delicious as toast is forgotten, then the world surely is in a state of woe. -------------------------- Message 9120 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Dec 11 01:40:33 2002 EST From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: wheehaw yep yep, i predicted there would be vocal retaliatin to what i said, as well as some light hearted banter to sway us from such serious subjects. however, take note that it was LATE AT NIGHT and i like to be extremist and poke at people's brains. don't take me seriously. <3 <3 <3 Mikitty -------------------------- Message 9121 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Dec 11 10:22:05 2002 EST From: FoxFire (#22153) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Jak Now Jak, I really need to know this, cause I find it rather important. WTF are you talking about! *grins* Now, Jak, pondering minds want to know the answer to this question: WTF are you talking about!! For crying out loud, you must be smoking some pretty good shit or something. *grins* -------------------------- Message 9122 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Dec 11 10:23:31 2002 EST From: FoxFire (#22153) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Pardon me Eh, you can ignore that first line. Jak musta slipped me something, or something. *grins* -------------------------- Message 9123 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Dec 11 11:43:34 2002 EST From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: i <3 miki -------------------------- Message 9124 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Dec 11 19:53:39 2002 EST From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: EDDIE-PIE love note for ed: please bear my children<3<3 --------------------------