From quinn@fazigu.org Mon Apr 02 12:14:05 2001 Received: from holder35.net57.block16.connectsouth.net (yami.57thstreet.com) [66.16.57.35] by requiem.netsville.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14k6xx-00075e-00; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:14:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 29200 invoked by uid 1502); 2 Apr 2001 16:14:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO moo.ghostmoo.org) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 16:14:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:14:00 -0400 From: "Quinn@Ghostwheel" To: quinn@fazigu.org Subject: Ghostwheel Message(s) 8676 - 8726 from *Chat (#5391) X-Mail-Agent: Ghostwheel (moo.ghostmoo.org 6969) Message-Id: Status: RO Content-Length: 21995 Lines: 781 Message 8676 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Feb 24 15:54:02 2001 EST From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: PLUR Check out Dave's music! http://www.mp3.com/nation2k -------------------------- Message 8677 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Feb 24 16:26:09 2001 EST From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Music Well it's not Tool or AFI, but it is defiantly dance able. I don't know if I would buy it, but it would be fun for a club. You should have him send a cut to the Panorama in Portland Oregon, or the Vogue and Catwalk in Seattle. -------------------------- Message 8678 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Feb 24 16:56:58 2001 EST From: Nny (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Clayson It disturbs me that Clayson is familiar with the Catwalk. -_- -------------------------- Message 8679 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Feb 24 16:59:30 2001 EST From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: oh no... Don't tell me you go there..oh please..say you dont. -------------------------- Message 8680 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Feb 25 05:27:30 2001 EST From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Nation2K it is definately dance music and is being cut to vinyl... For use by DJ's... He already has some DJ's at 'EVENTS' working with it. So..if you like to go to 'EVENTS', keep an eye on his website http://www.nation2k.com.. -------------------------- Message 8681 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Feb 28 13:05:58 2001 EST From: Nny (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: woo Earthquake in Seattle. Rockin'. I hope there's more. -------------------------- Message 8682 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Feb 28 20:01:04 2001 EST From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) The Northwest is a-rockin'. -------------------------- Message 8683 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Feb 28 22:02:13 2001 EST From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I must say That was the best one I have ever been in, never been that close to an epic (sp) center before. DO IT AGAIN! -------------------------- Message 8684 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Feb 28 22:47:36 2001 EST From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The Shannara Series by Terry Brooks If you guys have read The Shannara series, or just want to see one beautifully mastered digital art, visit: http://www.nexus-dna.demon.co.uk/shannara_index.html To see various new or possible covers for each of the Shannara books. Ake -------------------------- Message 8685 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Mar 1 10:23:38 2001 EST From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Clayson's IT DID!!! -------------------------- Message 8686 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Mar 1 10:50:26 2001 EST From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Hannibal Like Nny, I loved it. Ridley Scott gives us a wonderful camera as usual. The acting is great. It's more like a investigation, dark humor and twisted love story than an horror movie or a thrilled. I found it less scary and nerve racking(sp) than Silence of the Lamb. so don't go there to see a sequel to Silence of the Lamb, you might be disapointed. I've not read the book yet, but the movie makes me want to read it. I'm glad it has a different ending, that way having seen the movie won't spoil my reading. I can understand how some die hard fan could be disapointed, however unlike what has been stated here, that movie is art. good art. Janus P.S. I don't care what critics think. A critic is only relevant to the people who share that critics taste, not to the rest of the world. P.P.S. I think the Matrix was not a big deal. Nice FX but weak plot, average acting. -------------------------- Message 8687 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Mar 1 11:02:01 2001 EST From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) I agree about The Matrix. It was OK, but IMHO not worthy of the status it's been granted by cult fans. -------------------------- Message 8688 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Mar 1 21:15:33 2001 EST From: Nny (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Quinn But this is the point of cult fans, isn't it? Sometimes, cinematics and the *ideas* that go into a plot can make a film great, even if the acting is so-so, and the plot has holes. The Matrix could have been done better. But the *ideas* that the matrix was based on were endlessly cool. -------------------------- Message 8689 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Mar 2 00:18:57 2001 EST From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Hannibal I'm going to wait to see the movie, then make a complete judgment. I was kind of going off movie critiques. I would go see the movie, but I don't think they would let me in with my big protector blankie. I have to wear it over my head on the real scary parts then ask everyone around me "What the hell just happened now?" So I'll wait till the video. -------------------------- Message 8690 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Mar 2 04:51:01 2001 EST From: Tikiaido (#24781) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Read this, fuckers. I'd like to start by saying... Clayson... you have been targeted for annihilation by one of the more sane gods... (insert booming echo here) Scratch that, the only sane god left. Long live Ao. Let's see, what else...? People who go to dance clubs are trash. Worse than ravers because you don't hurt eachother needlessly... Jesus, at least the ravers contribute actively to their own population control. And worse than Goths because you're loud. Yes, and while I'm at it, anyone who wasn't absolutely blown away by The Matrix is either too stupid to care or too ignorant to live. All you see is not all there is, kiddies. -------------------------- Message 8691 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Mar 2 19:11:27 2001 EST From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Tikiaido What are you some kind of fucking idiot? -------------------------- Message 8692 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Mar 2 19:11:46 2001 EST From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) YES about time someone got it -------------------------- Message 8693 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Mar 2 19:12:30 2001 EST From: Raichu (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Bingo, someone give the lady a cigar. -------------------------- Message 8694 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Mar 2 19:13:08 2001 EST From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: you know according to freud a cigar is a phallic symbol SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT, EXACTLY -------------------------- Message 8695 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Mar 2 19:13:44 2001 EST From: Raichu (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) That was not a Monica Lewinsky reference, Durandal. -------------------------- Message 8696 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Mar 3 02:23:17 2001 EST From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: hi all i uhave toi say is : cjrist jesu fucking christttk yess -------------------------- Message 8697 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Mar 3 03:35:37 2001 EST From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: news i peed on a masonic temple but i wasn't drinking a t the time -------------------------- Message 8698 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Mar 3 07:01:18 2001 EST From: Tikiaido (#24781) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Idiot? I'm not an idiot, I just play one on the internet. I thought that was YOUR line, Clay. -------------------------- Message 8699 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Mar 4 03:24:29 2001 EST From: Balth (#3746) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A phantom returns with....Engrish! Just trust me. www.engrish.com Funniest thing I've seen in ages. I'm reading tons (And I do mean *tons*) of mail trying to catch up on things, and with a little luck, might actually hack some code around, but my schedule is erratic, so if I am on it will most likely be late. For those of you that don't know me, great! More people to meet. So, enjoy some good J-Engrish! Balth/Theseus -------------------------- Message 8700 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Mar 4 08:45:31 2001 EST From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Cool Site! Benchmark.. www.madonion.com It renders art in real time, some great music, too. -------------------------- Message 8701 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Mar 4 23:58:08 2001 EST From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The Lone Gunmen wow in a rare occurrence DAMIEN WAS RIGHT watch it -------------------------- Message 8702 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Mar 5 17:28:53 2001 EST From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Fallout BoS is out in demo, it's free and already multiplayer. -------------------------- Message 8703 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Mar 5 18:38:14 2001 EST From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: AFI! Clayson or Sean, if you want to drag your Portland ass to Eugene and catch me at the AFI concert on March 13th (I believe), then do so! This is a pretty huge event. They're playing at the WOW Hall (surprising, because it's a relatively small area -- I can imagine TONS of people getting beat up at this concert) Anyway, it's sure to be pretty fucking cool. -------------------------- Message 8704 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Mar 6 19:07:38 2001 EST From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Hanoi Jane This is interesting, and many of you may not know of this, so... Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century." Unfortunately many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam. Part of my conviction comes from personal exposure to those who suffered her attentions. The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison - the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. From '83-85, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit. They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge ... and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col.Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day. I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals." When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me. This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget... "100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget. Charles (Skip) Klingman Asst. Professor of Music Southwestern Oklahoma State University Weatherford, OK 73096 (580) 774-3219 FAX: (580) 774-3795 If having Jane Fonda named one of the woman of the century bothers you as much as it does me, then mail this to everyone on your list. I assume Time Magazine is going to honor her. This was sent to me in an email. I forward it on to all of you (There HAS to be SOME activists out there *grins* who might be interested). Do with it what you will...Peace. Di/DB -------------------------- Message 8705 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Mar 6 19:30:44 2001 EST From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: last Didn't you know DB that it is a good thing to be a socialist/communist in this country? Hell, you can sell secrets to the Chinese and still be the President of the United States. But what can you do, Jane Fonda is a scank, and so is Time Magazine. They are one of the biggest mainstream socialist rags out there right now. I'm kind of surprised they didn't name Mister "Im such a righteous extortionist" Jackson, as woman of the year. -------------------------- Message 8706 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Mar 6 19:31:11 2001 EST From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) *grins* -------------------------- Message 8708 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Mar 6 19:32:40 2001 EST From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) OH! And TIME is owned by WHOM?! Like Turner, whom she was married too at one time?! -------------------------- Message 8709 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Mar 6 23:51:18 2001 EST From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: NAPSTER ALERT. A judge ruled that Napster has 72 hours to remove copyrighted files from its server. Fucking idiots. (And Napster doesn't even *have* the files. The *users* do. Jesus.) -------------------------- Message 8710 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Mar 7 15:07:03 2001 EST From: Nny (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: oi Fucking commie pinkos!!111 ghgh. Communism was the paranoia of your *parents*. Give it up. Everyone knows you're supposed to fear the homosexuals now. Or the dangerous youths who listen to naughty music and play DOOM. Or the Drug Lords. Damn those Drug Lords. Hrmph -------------------------- Message 8711 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Mar 7 18:21:05 2001 EST From: Tikiaido (#24781) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Or the Goths. Goths are the bane of our society. They will take over the world if we're not careful. They're unamerican. They smell bad. They're deformed. Their brains didn't develope right. And... well, they're just sick and wrong. -------------------------- Message 8712 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Mar 8 06:13:29 2001 EST From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: 64 Damn! Those wonderful classics..GREAT books..this is really sad to see.. -------------------------- Message 8713 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Mar 8 14:06:35 2001 EST From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) I had hoped to clear up the New Orleans info before I left, but too much has been going on. I'm heading to Paris; will be back on the 18th. Please use @mail if I'm needed. Thanks. -------------------------- Message 8714 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Mar 12 17:35:52 2001 EST From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: i tried claiming damien's anus but everyone else beat me there -------------------------- Message 8715 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Mar 14 18:00:56 2001 EST From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: AFI show Went and saw AFI. The Snukas and The Explosion (local-ish bands, I think) played. The Explosion was especially great, because the band players had charm AND _good_ old punk-rock music. (I get turned off when I see big, sweating, fat guys singing to punk rock, like Poison Idea. ugh.) Then came AFI. They struck me as a bit too much glam-goth-metal. Blarrrgh. The lead singer-dude was dressed up in an entire vinyl outfit. Greeeat. (Hot Topic, anybody?) I was smashed, crunched, I crowdsurfed (good times!), and overall beat up. It was swell. -------------------------- Message 8716 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Mar 17 18:22:05 2001 EST From: Tikiaido (#24781) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Kingdomality This was mine. Your distinct personality, The Prime Minister might be found in most of the thriving kingdoms of the time. You are a strategist who pursues the most efficient and logical path toward the realization of the goal that you perceive or visualize. You will often only associate with those people who can assist you in the implementation of your plan. Inept assistants may be immediately discarded as excess baggage. To do otherwise could be seen as inefficient and illogical. On the positive side, you can be rationally idealistic and analytically ideological. You can be a bold decision maker and risk taker who can move society ahead by years instead of minutes. On the negative side, you may be unmerciful, impatient, arrogant, impetuous and impulsive. Interestingly, your preference is just as applicable in today's corporate kingdoms. Did anyone have any doubt? I would have thought they'd set me up as a priest. -------------------------- Message 8717 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Mar 18 11:55:54 2001 EST From: Darius_Lee (#10280) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: bah! I got a hair cut and they turned me into a french poodle!@ -------------------------- Message 8718 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Mar 19 09:39:25 2001 EST From: Camber (#22034) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: $ Careful what you wish for, Dari... -------------------------- Message 8719 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Mar 19 11:18:44 2001 EST From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) I guess that means DL got it...doggy-style! -------------------------- Message 8720 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Mar 19 21:58:44 2001 EST From: Mikishi (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: crap. The Internet worsens. http://www.adsubtract.com/kingsize.html -------------------------- Message 8721 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Mar 22 19:49:32 2001 EST From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: PSO Has anyone played Phantasy Star Online for the Dreamcast yet? If so, is it good, bad, comments? Ake -------------------------- Message 8722 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Mar 22 20:02:23 2001 EST From: Camber (#22034) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: PSO Very addictive. I have many a friend who's clocked many an hour on it. Helps if you know friends who have it too. Gets boring about 100 hours in when you're higher levelled and have most of the items. -------------------------- Message 8723 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Mar 23 10:17:08 2001 EST From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Icewind Dale:Heart of Winter. Good Graphics, good attachment, good plot. TOOOO short. I beat it in about 3 hours and was a bit disappointed. Heart of Fury mode fucking rocks though. *grin* -------------------------- Message 8724 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Mar 24 03:46:32 2001 EST From: Rhea (#24572) To: *Chat (#5391) I don't know about the character portraits though...their artist must've had problems with proportions ;) Most of their heads and noses are too big. And the fact that the human female paladin model wears something akin to a leather swimsuit in what I assume to be an icy/cold setting (from my brief glance at the game over my little brother's shoulder) just seemed plain wrong. *grin* So I'm picky ;) -------------------------- Message 8725 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Mar 25 01:59:17 2001 EST From: Nny (#25135) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Rhea If you expect any different from a CRPG, dear, you're no gamer. -_^ -------------------------- Message 8726 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Mar 25 13:07:57 2001 EST From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) That and most of the portraits aren't human. --------------------------