From quinn@fazigu.org Sun Oct 10 12:09:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from casper.realtime.net (casper.realtime.com [205.238.128.161]) by requiem.vv.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA24459 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:09:49 -0400 Received: from casper.realtime.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by casper.realtime.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23313 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:11:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199910101611.LAA23313@casper.realtime.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:11:45 -0400 From: "Quinn@GhostWheel" To: quinn@fazigu.org Subject: GhostWheel Message(s) 6835 - 7199 from *Chat (#5391) X-Mail-Agent: GhostWheel (casper.realtime.com 6969) Status: RO Content-Length: 157630 Lines: 5086 Message 6835 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 3 16:18:24 1999 EDT From: DracoMaster (#11812) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: DragonRider Notes I have made a few changes in Game DragonRider Notes to hopefully clarify things. I have also added a new doc to explain the proceedure for applying to the DR Class. If you have any questions, post to *DRA. Thanks. -------------------------- Message 6836 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 3 19:28:00 1999 EDT From: Regis (#24934) To: *Chat (#5391) ;( -------------------------- Message 6837 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 3 21:14:24 1999 EDT From: Khyber (#12460) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: wrongful imprisonment! I have been wrongfully imprisoned! -------------------------- Message 6838 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 4 00:46:39 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: wrongful imprisonment! how?? -------------------------- Message 6839 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 4 04:53:00 1999 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Looking for the complete lyrics to 'The Invisible' by Geezer (GZR). I'll give you 250 crystals or something if you find them. An extra 250 if you get guitar tablature too. Whee -------------------------- Message 6840 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 4 10:26:11 1999 EDT From: Tarla (#18104) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Revealable clothing Does anyone know who owns the reavealable clothing here? I want, or rather Jelal wants... to either port the code or design something similar elsemoo, so we need to know who to talk to about it. -------------------------- Message 6841 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 5 11:14:46 1999 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ICQ Well I finally braved the unknown and downloaded ICQ. (On my new hard drive because the old one died. Lemonlemonlemon. PaininthebuttIlostsomuchgrumble.) So far, I have one person on my contact list. How popular I am, I know, I know. Feel like I did when I first learned how to MOO. Heh. Would love to catch you people on ICQ. No idea how to find y'all. ne nw n s look e nw Me is 9782567. Not sure what I did before. Think that was my numeric pad. Ick. -------------------------- Message 6842 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 5 15:08:31 1999 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: OOPS Sorry guys, gave you my pals' ICQ #. I'm NOT Tuk. w n w My # is 48497572 -------------------------- Message 6843 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 5 16:32:09 1999 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: OOOPS Awwww you mean you are not a "Young fun-loving couple... looking to meet sexy, kooky females to spice up their sexual escapades." I can feel the general diapointement. -------------------------- Message 6844 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 5 19:59:05 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: RAthe a bit back. They speak of my drinking...but never of my thirst. Live with it child, you are one. As far as the single parent thing, that is the biggest cop out I have ever heard. Commie Bastards! Go, run as fast as you can to the nearest club that offers Fetish Night, enjoy. -------------------------- Message 6845 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 5 21:26:23 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Clayson Eh? Whattafu are you talking about? -------------------------- Message 6846 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 6 00:07:31 1999 EDT From: Tikiaido (#24781) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ummmmmm..... Does anyone actually actively roleplay around here unless asked and prodded? Or do we just powerhunt now? -------------------------- Message 6847 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 6 00:10:42 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Nobody does anything but spar, hunt, and PKill. duuuh. -. -------------------------- Message 6848 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 6 00:39:31 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Liars! That's not true at all. We chat OOC and play scrabble, too. -------------------------- Message 6849 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 6 00:43:38 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Combat scrabble -------------------------- Message 6850 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 6 02:38:42 1999 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Combat scrabble I always end up getting gang-raped because I have the vocabulary of a... small, flying buggy-type thing. You know. -------------------------- Message 6851 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 6 09:06:28 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Who has time for scrabble, I'm too busy idling. -------------------------- Message 6852 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 6 15:26:53 1999 EDT From: Pounce (#24787) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Clayson Well, I think I used to like her, but after that last rant I've got to wonder if she's added rabidity and insanity to her list of general faults, which seems to already have included public drunkenness and general narrowmindedness. Well, I usually don't flame, but your last two posts were totally off the fuckin' wall, Clay. -------------------------- Message 6853 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 6 15:30:49 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) I don't usually flame either, but I'd just like to say I hate you all. Well, those of you who have Labor Day off, anyway. -------------------------- Message 6854 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 6 15:35:06 1999 EDT From: Nightmare (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) But I love you Flux! I also have labor day off, and I have two vacation days after that. -------------------------- Message 6855 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 6 15:35:36 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) You are the devil. -------------------------- Message 6856 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 6 15:36:16 1999 EDT From: Nightmare (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Yes, yes I am. -------------------------- Message 6857 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 6 15:38:21 1999 EDT From: Pounce (#24787) To: *Chat (#5391) Pounce chuckles softly and shakes his head. "If you only knew." -------------------------- Message 6859 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 6 15:40:28 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: End of the World! The end is upon us! Satan has broken free from his eternal prison! Run for the hills! To receive absolution for your sins so that you aren't cast into a lake of eternal fire, please send checks (or cash) to God, c/o Flux @ GW. I'll make sure he gets it all safely and you are properly blessed. Thank you. -------------------------- Message 6860 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 7 10:48:47 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: pounce Shut up, if you can't read and laugh then don't read at all. Life is a joke Pounce, stop taking everything so serious from strangers on the internet. -------------------------- Message 6861 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 7 10:50:01 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) I wasn't joking, Pounce I really do hate you all -------------------------- Message 6862 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 7 17:52:05 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) What a wonderful thing for a GM to say. Yeah. THAT'S really going to go a long way toward building this MOO up and making it a happy, fun place for the players. (Then again, I guess that isn't why it's here to begin with, hmmmm?) So if the players are pissing on your playground why don't you just tell Quinn to get rid of them and the GMs can all sit around and circle jerk to their hearts content? -------------------------- Message 6863 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 7 17:53:12 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) You mean you seriously couldn't tell I was kidding? -------------------------- Message 6864 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 7 17:54:17 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ... Humor is lost on her, Pinkey. -------------------------- Message 6865 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 7 18:02:05 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Hey!! I wanna circle jerk too! -------------------------- Message 6866 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 7 18:02:42 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ... *hops in the circle with Vertemis* -------------------------- Message 6867 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 7 18:03:39 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Well... We're still only a line jerk, but hey, I can deal. -------------------------- Message 6868 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 7 18:06:20 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) When was the last time you stopped sparring/hunting long enough to RP with someone, Tirafal? -------------------------- Message 6869 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 7 18:45:41 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) http://www.lycos.com/news/flash/schoolsecurity.html?v=hp907640&lpv=1 -------------------------- Message 6870 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 7 18:46:37 1999 EDT From: Dagger (#20375) To: *Chat (#5391) I get reach-around -------------------------- Message 6871 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 8 09:36:19 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Pico's question A lot more recent then the last time YOU did. -------------------------- Message 6872 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 8 09:43:29 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) But I, at least, admit I don't play here anymore. I don't make snide comments about the GMs not doing their jobs, or bitch every time someone else admits to never going IC anymore. No, it's not just you. Such attitudes seem to have become a trend. -------------------------- Message 6873 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 8 10:37:38 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Happy Happy Joy Joy -------------------------- Message 6874 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 8 13:33:44 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) > > Post Office wants to charge $..05 an email now.... > > > > Read carefully, then ACT! > > > > Subject: POST OFFICE WANTS TO CHARGE US 5 CENTS FOR EACH E-MAIL > > > > Looks like US Post Office isn't happy that we are not using snail mail > > and wants legislation passed charging us 5 cents each time we send an > > E-mail. Read on and have your objection heard loud and > > clear!!!!!! > > > > Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online and > > continue using email: The last few months have revealed an alarming > > trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly > > push through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet. > > > > Under proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be attempting > > to bilk email users out of "alternate postage fees". Bill 602P will > > permit the Federal Govt to charge a 5 cent Surcharge on every email > > delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers (ISP) at source. The > > consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. > > > > Washington D.C. lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent > > this legislation from becoming law. The U.S.Postal Service is claiming > > that lost revenue due to the proliferation of email is costing nearly > > $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad > > campaign "There is nothing like a letter". > > > > Since the average citizen received about 10 pieces of email per day > > in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be an additional 50 > > cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above and beyond their > > regular Internet costs. Even considerably more for some of us. > > > > Note that this would be money paid directly to the U.S. Postal > > Service for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the > > Internet is democracy and noninterference. If the federal government is > > permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge to email, > > who knows where it will end. You are already paying an exorbitant price > for > > snail mail because of bureaucratic inefficiency. It currently takes up to > > 6 days for a letter to be delivered from New York to Buffalo. > > > > If the U.S. Postal Service is allowed to tinker with email, it will > > mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. One congressman, > > Tony Schnell (R) has even suggested a "twenty to forty dollar per month > > surcharge on all Internet service" above and beyond the government's > > proposed email charges. Note that most of the major newspapers have > > ignored the story, the only exception being the Washingtonian which > > called the idea of email surcharge "a useful concept who's time has > > come" (March 6th 1999 Editorial) Don't sit by and watch your freedoms > > erode away! > > > > Send this email to all Americans on your list and tell your friends > > and relatives to write to their congressman and say "No!" to Bill > > 602P. -------------------------- Message 6875 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 8 13:38:18 1999 EDT From: Surreality (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Shame that charge can't be just applied to email advertisements. Private? No. Spam? Charge the fuckers $20 per recipient, and I'll buy the champagne. -------------------------- Message 6876 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 8 13:40:28 1999 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: send the spammers a bill for storage space on your computer...say a good 100$ or so per email.. H -------------------------- Message 6877 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 8 13:40:47 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Red Read the last line > > Send this email to all Americans on your list and tell your friends > > and relatives to write to their congressman and say "No!" to Bill > > 602P. That is so obviously a chain letter. If it was legit, they'd have at least offered a link to a goverment site detailing the bill (which, I believe, is standard now), or some other relevant data. Fools -------------------------- Message 6878 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 8 13:42:50 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Re: Red *beats Pico within a inch of his life* Silly shit.. -------------------------- Message 6879 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 8 13:43:35 1999 EDT From: Untruth (#24923) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yeah really But that doesn't alleviate any of my hate for Republicans and their standards. -------------------------- Message 6880 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 8 13:45:41 1999 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Synopsis The United States Congress is considering a 5 cent tax on email. See the warning here. Is it true? No. Why? Bill 602P does not exist. '602P' is not a valid name for a Congressional bill. Bills in the House of Representative are prefaced with 'H.R.'. Bills in the Senate are prefaced with 'S.' Congressman Tony Schnell does not exist. Lawyer Richard Stepp does not exist. The law firm of 'Berger, Stepp and Gorman' does not exist. There is no Concorde Street in Vienna, Virginia. Comments This hoax started life as a bill supposedly being considered in Canada (and no, it is not true there either). Someone changed all the Canadian references to American references and yet another Internet hoax was born. See also Rebuttals E-mail Rumor Completely Untrue from the United States Postal Service E-mail Tax Hoax from the US Department of Energy's Computer Incident Advisory Capability Other commentaries U.S Postal Tax on Email? from About.com A Long Pay From Home from the Urban Legends Reference Pages -------------------------- Message 6882 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 8 20:02:11 1999 EDT From: Pounce (#24787) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Hmmm... Reds post? Well, I've got them all fucked, I haven't sent email since I've had ICQ. *Pounce grins as if he's just said something importaint.* -------------------------- Message 6883 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 8 21:59:34 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) why is it Rathe can change his name and not be put in jail! Why, damn you ppl...answer me! -------------------------- Message 6884 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 8 22:16:43 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Clayson Because I'm not pretending to be another character, you twit. -------------------------- Message 6885 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 16:09:45 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: all the above Hey! Im a republican you weenie! God damnit there is nothing to do here, I hate you all!...can I watch the circle jerk thou :) You weeping, name changing commie bastards. Just pay for the stamps and don't forget your taxes! Cause I'll be soaking em up as they pay for my education, heh. -------------------------- Message 6886 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 16:27:14 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Your posts continue to make less and less sense. Have you been watching Rush Limbaugh? -------------------------- Message 6887 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 19:52:51 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Pico/Rathe I listen to Rush...is this a bad thing you commie bastard! Anyway, I'm not posting to make sense mister I save that for real life. Now come out and play with me I only have a week to be an idiot, damn you. -------------------------- Message 6888 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 19:54:00 1999 EDT From: Untruth (#24923) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: last a week till what -------------------------- Message 6889 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 19:55:39 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: last Then I have to go back to school, what kind of name is Untrue anyway? -------------------------- Message 6890 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 19:56:32 1999 EDT From: Untruth (#24923) To: *Chat (#5391) what kind of name is clayson? Sounds like a real dyke truck-driving woman name to me. -------------------------- Message 6891 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 19:58:15 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Hey! Clayson does not drive a truck! -------------------------- Message 6892 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 19:58:49 1999 EDT From: Untruth (#24923) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: your right prolly just a semi instead -------------------------- Message 6893 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 20:00:09 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Untruth You looking in my window baby? Hell yea I can drive a semi, I be a woman ya know, not some snot nose little asshole. -------------------------- Message 6894 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 20:00:56 1999 EDT From: Untruth (#24923) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: bah stay away from me, you man-hating semi-driving REPUBLICAN! -------------------------- Message 6895 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 20:02:19 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Untruth Im coming for ya baby, and when I find you...your panties will be rags..heh. GOD DAMN COMMIE BASTARD! -------------------------- Message 6896 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 20:02:43 1999 EDT From: Nightmare (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Down with Republicans. Down with Democrats. VIVA REVOLUTION! -------------------------- Message 6897 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 20:02:45 1999 EDT From: Untruth (#24923) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: oh baby -------------------------- Message 6898 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 20:10:31 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Nightmare What revolution would the be, would that be the race revolution, the sex revolution...what? Do you really think enough Americans would lift their fat asses off their couches to fight? I think not, most would turn on the T.V. and watch a pretend family, as they wish to be that happy while they shove delivered pizza into their gapping mouths. -------------------------- Message 6899 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 20:11:58 1999 EDT From: Nightmare (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Well, Clayson. If you're so fired up, get off the net, go out and get politically active and quit drinking. -------------------------- Message 6900 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 20:12:00 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: .... Either that or log onto the 'net, eh Clayson? -------------------------- Message 6901 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 20:12:51 1999 EDT From: Untruth (#24923) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Clayson It's not delivery! It's Degorno...or however you spell it -------------------------- Message 6902 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 9 21:41:50 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: VIVA! -------------------------- Message 6903 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 05:17:32 1999 EDT From: Pounce (#24787) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Clayson, politics and all of it. Do you people realize how fucking stupid you sound. Especially you, Clay, lay off the sauce, you idiot, poseur, butch wannabe probably netgeek stupid bitch. Gods. And where the FUCK do you get off calling anyone who doesn't agree with you a COMMIE of all things!? Communism never works in its purest form or we'd all be COMMIES! And actually if we all didn't hav a little communist in us, we'd have anarchy and I'd be building crude, shoddy subatomic weapons to protect myself from semimilitant poseurs such as yourself. So... Take your wannabe feminazi, poseur, drunken slurred stupid bullshit somewhere else. I wanna log on just once without being pissed off by some stupid narrowminded bullshit you write! -------------------------- Message 6904 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 07:01:03 1999 EDT From: Nightmare (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Pounce... you know what, if I want to pose VIVA REVOLUTION! I will. So there. If you want to think I 'sound fucking stupid', that's your opinion, but honestly, making that generalization really only makes you out to be the idiot. -------------------------- Message 6905 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 08:33:13 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: And on top of it all... I think when then say things like 'Die commie' and 'Viva Revolution' they're not 100% serious. Maybe I take to many thing as a joke and Ep's a Puerto Rican terrorist and Clay's actually Pat Buchanan. I guess we'll never know. -------------------------- Message 6906 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 08:44:08 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) I think I can say with some certainty that Ep isn't a Puero Rican terrorist. :) As for Clay, I'm not too sure WHAT she is. I'm still trying to figure that one out. Her posts are so over the top I sometimes wonder if she's not parodying half the ideas she spouts. None the less, it's obvious she's having fun at our expense. VIVA REVOLUCION! -------------------------- Message 6907 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 08:49:06 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Pounce It's all in fun honey, I'm sorry if I upset you. I'm just teasing...it's what I do best. -------------------------- Message 6908 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 10:35:36 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: all of the above.. Grandpa says, "You are all little bastards now shut up and get back to work.." You know, I'm extreamly mobile these days and I will come out and put a whip ass on each of you if you don't get along.. And I drink and I can't spell worth a shit but I'm very mean.. Just ask anyone who really knows me.. Of course I'm also very sexy and charming at the same time.. Love you all.. BEHAVE! Grandpa Red.. -------------------------- Message 6909 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 11:21:37 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: last Red may love you all, but I hate you all. -------------------------- Message 6910 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 11:26:39 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) So get a life. -------------------------- Message 6911 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 11:27:57 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Oops Except Tira. I don't hate Tira. But I hate the rest of you. -------------------------- Message 6912 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 12:01:42 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: I have but one thing to say. VIVA! -------------------------- Message 6913 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 19:54:49 1999 EDT From: Dagger (#20375) To: *Chat (#5391) Hate is a very serious issue flux. I hate when people say hate. It makes me wana freaking crack their skulls open and drink their brain fluid. -------------------------- Message 6914 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 20:01:49 1999 EDT From: Tarla (#18104) To: *Chat (#5391) What a pleasant image Dagger. Thank you so much..... Pardon me... I think I'll go throw up now. -------------------------- Message 6915 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 20:39:45 1999 EDT From: Menroth (#14123) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: whee. Shaddup VIVA! , -------------------------- Message 6916 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 20:40:30 1999 EDT From: Nightmare (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) For Pounce. VIVA REVOLUTION! -------------------------- Message 6917 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 20:57:36 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: # 1251 on *tps @def is hardly the most reliable source on the English language. - Jess, the cranky. -------------------------- Message 6918 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 20:58:17 1999 EDT From: Surreality (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ...from *tps. Try @def wicca, too. Dun mean it isn't out there. -------------------------- Message 6919 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 20:59:59 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Why is it that no matter how great the point of view, how undisputable, how perfect one side is, there's always people on GW that will argue it down like it's their dying breath. I think alot of you just need recognition through conflict. The perfect example would be if some starts argueing this mail. At least it will make me laugh. -------------------------- Message 6920 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 21:03:46 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Go ahead and laugh. There is hardly any such thing as an 'undisputable' opinion. Hence arguments. And yes, I do like to argue/discuss. And yes, where there's a question of language or grammar, I'll almost always jump in. So I'm a weak loudmouth. ;) At least I have an active mind... -------------------------- Message 6921 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 21:04:20 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Of course -------------------------- Message 6922 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 21:04:36 1999 EDT From: Khyber (#12460) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Porno words. is manmeancock a word? -------------------------- Message 6923 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 21:28:04 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: What has this place come too. Can you imagine if a new player stopped by this place. The Ghostwheel social MOO. It wouldn't be nearly impossible for a new character to get into the little cliques that have formed here. Come on people, getting upset (and you can say your weren't upset, but when you begin insulting people you start to lose a little respect.) I'm not saying that I was insulted this time, but I'm sure I have been and I'm sure I will be. Maybe I'm a little thin skinned. And what about the game itself. When was the last time anything came out, items, weapons or plots. Maybe it's because everyones too good to RP here, they need to keep their OOC status, stopping by IC once in awhile so they can say that they're active. What's the point of NPC's? (Except Rand of Course, I love that big guy) They're not here for RP, they're here so they GM's don't have to waste time boosting the stats when they come up with a new character concept. Let's look at the stat system, hmm? We're up to what 1000? 1500? How high is this going to get? It is impossible for a new player to ever reach the power of the super spar monkeys. But does it matter anyway, it's not like anyone comes out to play. Quinn, this is excellent coding, you really are awesome. I've gone through this core and it's a masterpiece. A little crazy at times, but still grand. I love going through the verbs and reading the comment lines you've entered, comments about it being to late, about needing sleep. You really have created an awesome game here. It's a pity that it doesn't want to live up to it's name. Ed, thanks for always keeping the place alive, even if it was just our 12 alts interacting with each other. And Ake, well... I'm sure you know how I feel about you *wink*. I don't know what I want to say, and I don't know what I want this to accomplish. I guess all M** go through lag periods, but a lag period of nearly 2 years?! I know I'm not the only one that thinks this way, but alot of people don't want to be in bad favor with the cliques of the MOO. After being here for however long I have, I feel that those who I like and those who I still want to talk to will probably still talk to me. I doubt this post is losing me any real friends (especially since this is the internet, my real friends are at a football game right now, and I'll be joining them shortly.) Am I leaving the MOO? Probably not, it's my home, it's the first MOO I've been on, and it will always be where I stay. But in my mind, this place is dead. Vert -------------------------- Message 6924 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 21:39:57 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Good points, all of them Vert. However, it does get a little old .. all of the whining about statgods & so forth. I'm active, IC, here when I can be.. there's a lot going on in my so called 'RL' right now, that has no place on this board .. and I have -never- been a sparrer. I know a lot of others who feel the same. It comes back down to going out & generating RP if that's what you want. If you've got friends in your 'clique', spur them into RP. Isn't that how you got to be friends in the first place? And you can accuse me of defending my own 'clique' if you want, or perpetuating an argument, or driving newbies away, or being a commie bastasrd (*wink*) or whatever any of you wish to accuse me of... but hey, I do my best. :) -Jess (the impertinent, verbal, and probably irrelevant) -------------------------- Message 6925 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 21:46:10 1999 EDT From: Nightmare (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Vert's. I've been here nearly five years now. Five years of ups and downs, fights and kiss and make up. I've seen GMs come and GMs go. I've seen players come and players go. I've seen, run or taken part in TPs of yesteryear. I've thrown out weapons, items, areas, monsters out into the game. A few have shown me their thanks in little ways. Most however, complain. It gets old after awhile, and even I have lost my enthusiasm. I'm still there though. I still try to help players. Every once in awhile I attempt a tiny plot that usually goes over luke warm, or falls flat on its face. I thought perhaps it was me. Perhaps part of it is. The other part? No one really wanted to do it. So they got apathetic about it. In fact, that seems to be the grand problem here with everyone. It's not just the GMs. It's not just the players. It's not just the stat gods. It's not just the strict RPers. It's all of us. Apathy runs rampant. -------------------------- Message 6926 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 21:47:47 1999 EDT From: Khyber (#12460) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Rp RP IN THE LOUNGE, OH MY GOD, COME QUICK! -------------------------- Message 6927 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 10 22:47:52 1999 EDT From: Surreality (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: quite a bit. People have complained about the stat gods since I've been here; I heard complaints about them on day one. You know what, though? Who I am, or who is -anyone- else here to tell someone how to play their character? I don't like the fact that every time I go out, which is admittedly rare, someone can just wander in and flatten me on a whim. At the same time, I don't really see the stat gods of yore out very often, either. Again, who I am to tell them how to play their character? If they enjoy this place by just coming on and sparring, then logging out, who am I to tell them that's wrong? They earned their stats. If I'd put in the hours, and earned my stats, and someone came along and said, `That isn't fair for you to be that high!', I'd be downright pissed off. And you know what? I have. At present, I've got an alt with #1 focus, and a few other things, not a damned bit of it set. People have complained about NPCs since they were labelled. They'd been around much longer, of course, but hadn't been labelled until later. No one complained before they were labelled. Now, every GM with an NPC is a cheater. All GMs with NPCs are lazy, just want to screw over the players, are on a power trip, don't care about the game -- you name it. Any GM who has so much as said the word NPC is guilty as sin and obviously couldn't give the first damn about the playerbase. People have complained about cliques for a while now, convinced that there is some ubergroup of megaRPers out there, hiding all the best loot, and having secret, closed-door RP sessions that no new player is allowed to take part in without 30 references and inborn knowledge of the secret handshake. If it's out there, it must be pretty secret, because I haven't seen it either. People have complained about few active IC players on GW. We're not a large M*, for one. Despite all the commentary about a large DB size, we have a relatively small playerbase. We're not exactly advertising much to bring new players in, either, and the ones we do have have lives, or reasons they do, or do not, choose to play ICly. People have complained about the flames and griping for quite some time, too. Were I to name a real culprit, this would be high on my list. No one wants to hear arguments, but few can resist them. Some of the people who complain the loudest about all the arguments starting are the very same people who help fuel them. There are more than a few people who start problems simply for the joy of making everyone else around them miserable, too, or taking out their RL frustrations on the other people here. People have tossed blame around on GW since the day I arrived, and likely long before then. It's never -solved- anything. It only makes people angry, or frustrated, or upset. Very rarely do the placers of blame offer solutions that could be used to solve the problem. I think we're pretty much aware as a group that there are problems on GW, and I think most of the people who come here would prefer that those problems go away. Complaining about them isn't going to do it, and placing blame isn't going to do it either. Now, I could suggest that we all get together and have a meeting, where everyone voices their concerns, and people are able to have a forum to discuss solutions, but that's been tried before. Very few people show up to such meetings -- and the people who do are the more active players, for the most part. (By active I don't mean ICly active -- I mean connected.) The meetings get called `cliquish' because not everyone could attend at the designated time, or only a few people cared to. Everyone's invited, though. Many of the same things come up every time: `When will bionics be coded?' `I don't know.' `How can we stop the flaming?' `I don't know.' etc. I wish there was a magic solution too. All I know is that it isn't easy for me to -want- to play, or want to help, or want to build when every time I log in I see another complaint about all the GMs, or all the players, or that no one cares anymore. The way I see it, it's demoralizing to everyone, players and staff alike. Instead of being happy with what we have now, we're all too busy complaining about what we don't have, and anything new that's introduced seems to hold interest for only a handful of moments before the complaining begins anew. -------------------------- Message 6928 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 02:40:48 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Darnit Now see what ya did.. You got her to spammin again.. We've had such a nice long rest from that ya know... Now I'm gonna have to kill you all.. Red... P.S. She's still pretty for a spammer.. -------------------------- Message 6929 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 03:46:28 1999 EDT From: Pounce (#24787) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Clayson... again... Okay, I had a caffein headache that just wouldn't quit when I read alot of that stuff. I had to roar just a little because I wasn't sure who was serious and who wasn't and if it all really even mattered to me. In fact, I would have yelled at you for LOOKING AT ME last night, let alone all the silly stuff I read and shouldn't have gotten nearly so worked up over. In truth, Clayson, I love you very much, and would like nothing more than to give you a big ol' commie hug. And see the semi you drive, because I want to take the engine apart, have certain parts bronzed and decorate my room with them. And to ... Nightmare... Eponine? I really don't think you're stupid either. You may start a revolution if you like, and hey, if you ever need crude, high yield nuclear submunitions, I know a guy in Cincinati... (and I have a bridge you can buy too)... But after my last post, that probably all sounds sarcastic, cynical, and patronizing rather than appologetic... *sigh* Oh, and Flux? I hate you right back. -------------------------- Message 6930 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 04:13:30 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) You can call me a complainer all you want. You can pull out the "I've been a GM here for 80 thousands years so I've seen everything" card. And you know what? I'll still know that this is no longer the game of Ghostwheel. It's a social MOO. And I'd like to clear something up. I have no problem with stat gods, I was merely citing the huge numbers that stats have gotten to in an attempt to show that the only people who do go IC are here to get their hourly boost. Except Khyber, he's seems to sit in the R/T everyday. Does it matter what I say? No, because the truly closed minded are normally those who spout off about "open minds" They don't want open minds, they just want you to have their opinion. Well enough of me, I'm done here, socially anyway. I've done enough analyzing for my GW career. -------------------------- Message 6931 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 04:16:10 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Vertemis Vertemis, why does anyone give a shit, again? You're not offering constructive criticism. Unless you have suggestions to fix things, stop being a whiny little bitch. Thank you for your time. -------------------------- Message 6932 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 09:28:17 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Plenty of the above Know what I wish? I wish there were a way to connect newbies with older, more experienced players so they could be TAUGHT the game of GW. Yes, we have help files out the wazoo but they aren't enough and no matter HOW detailed they get they will never be enough. This game has to be taught and shown for a new person to comprehend it. This includes working the stat system, RP and applying for "membership" in one of the classes. Many of the people who come here as newbies have never been on anything but a social MOO and have no IDEA how to RP. If such a thing could happen it just MAY breathe new life here. But as long as the bulk of the oldbies do nothing but sit OOC and BS on the channels it just isn't gonna happen. -------------------------- Message 6933 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 09:44:05 1999 EDT From: Nightmare (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) At last a constructive idea. Thank you Tirafal. Actually that isn't a half bad idea. Who here would want to start a big brothers/big sisters type of help and support group for new players? It would take time and dedication, and would probabaly have few rewards besides the occasional thank you and the satisfaction that you helped someone. (Gee, kinda what we GMs go through everyday, Vert.) Again to Vert: Thank you for proving my point. Part of the apathy here is the need to rant without giving any kind of constructive input. What do you suggest be done to change things? -------------------------- Message 6934 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 12:49:36 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Nightmare You can send everyone who isn't stupid and has a grasp of the english language my way. -------------------------- Message 6935 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 12:52:04 1999 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) The English language is overrated. VIVA ESPERANTO! -------------------------- Message 6937 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 13:05:18 1999 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Idea OK radical idea but what do you say we all re-roll and start fresh I don't mean have Quinn do it I mean just all us oldbies and newbies alike start over give up all our toys to a gm of our choice ..toss out all our crystals give up our rooms/mechs/pets and start over from scratch. probably won't happen but might breathe some fresh air into our sails. Oh yeah I don't mean just use the same characters with no stats I mean totally new characters. H -------------------------- Message 6938 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 13:06:10 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Idea You short witted bastard, HOW dare you come up with such a idea!!! I'll never give up my Red!!!! -------------------------- Message 6939 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 14:37:13 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I apologize for my ranting. I don't retract any of it, but I do apologize for those who care not to listen to it. However, look what it does, after the initial backlash against me, it starts a whole slew of ideas to help out the system. Not to mention a new friendship to make up for the ones I may have lost. Alright, constructive, lets see. I guess I'll start from the beginning. Maybe we could get more of a character generation here. A way that characters could get up a good background and concept before entering the game as newborn. And world plots, I know about the ruling, but these kind of epic storylines help created a bond amoung the players. Conflict is a great way to spur rp. Unfortunately most of the IC characters get along fairly well. Maybe we could break up the clump a bit, for some factions so we get the old these guys versus those guys. The newbie partnership idea, is good, but we need to get alot of the population active again for that to work effectively, and unfortunately Pico, alot of the players that need help in the begging are those who "Are stupid" and who don't "grasp the english language:" Finally, Nightmare, enough with the attacks please? I don know if they're on purpose, or if I'm just reading into them, but either way, I don't need to read them, I never attacked anyone personally, just made some observations not intended to strike down at any one person. -------------------------- Message 6940 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 14:51:19 1999 EDT From: Nightmare (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Seeing as you struck out at the exact things I had posted, it seemed to me like an attack. I tend to give people the same treatment they give me. As for Chargen, unfortunately that's Quinn's arena. That kind of project requires perms that no one else on the GM team has access to, to my knowledge. Though I do like the idea and wholly embrace it if it's anywhere within the future of GW. TPs. World wide TPs are at the moment not allowed for a number of reasons. A) They force people into taking part in something they might otherwise not like. B) It can get totally overwhelming. I have attempted to run mini plots and I've left a plot board in the OOC rooms. I've gotten a few bites for consideration and to those who've sent me mail, yes I got it and yes I am still considering it. My problem is will people take part in it? I don't know, the last time I attempted, I had some of the main complainers suddenly idle on me. That was insulting. If you're going to whine about no RP, don't be suddenly idle when a GM makes an attempt for a plot, or at least have the curtesy to tell me somewhat beforehand that you need to do so so that I can take it into consideration. Once a plot is started, it's hardly fair to me or to the other players taking part to have to wait for a few rude people to unidle in order to get going. This is something that will take effort on all our parts. Complaining leads only to more anger, more complaining and more flaming and pointing fingers needlessly. If you want RP, great. But don't be blowing smoke and later on puff mist. P'nine, the disgruntled and jaded GM who really doesn't like being disgruntled or jaded. -------------------------- Message 6942 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 18:14:44 1999 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) I mean no offense in my following post. If you take offense, well.. that's just you then I guess =) WRT Idling during a plot. Sometimes real life has a tendancy to suddenly snap us out of the game and, ultimately, the rp scene at hand. Me, possibly being put into the category of "Whiner about RP", my little situation was mainly a nice homecooked meal. Sorry if that insulted you, Nightmare, but It's either eat, or.. well, get bitched at RL. ;) I returned in like 10 minutes anyway, and by that time, everyone was there, and we were to attempt another formulation of rp, but it sorta went downhill. perils and pitfalls you know. Achey Breaky Akea -------------------------- Message 6943 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 11 18:36:44 1999 EDT From: Pounce (#24787) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: RP? The Game? Hello? Seriously, folks, I've been RPing off and on with some people I care about since I've been back. If you want to RP, find someone you like, and GO DO IT. Friggin' find anyone of the opposite sex and cyber for all anyone cares, at least it's RP! Don't sit there and whine about no RP... the only reason most people don't RP is because they're social SHEEP and don't see anyone ELSE doing it, so gee, it obviously must not be the thing to do, huh? I really don't mean to be insulting here, but again, it's early in the morning, I have a caffein headache, and about the only way I can be right now is blunt as hell. You want RP? Find me. Find Dagger. Find Scorch, find Tiki, find SnowHawk, find Zeppy, or, gods forbid anyone take any kind of PLOT to fruition.... Which I do fully intend to start with Tiki by the way if I can ever get Red to unidle. *evilgrin* Yes, if I can persuade enough, we may very well attempt to take over the entire GW, because there just don't seem to be many people that will care if we do. Or we may come up with something else, depending. I'll have to see. The point being, RP is where you find it, and you gotta GET OUTTA YER HOME ROOM to find it. Sitting there idling most of the time and making spammy posts on *chat the rest will only PERPETUATE the problem. Do something about it. You go RP, maybe some of your friends will say, HEY! He/she is RPing again! Let's go RP with him/her! It might get you scoffed at at first, but it may very well snowball into the kind of thing that GW was BEFORE... Pounce, the diluded, idealistic housecat who still tries dispite it all... -------------------------- Message 6944 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 12:59:54 1999 EDT From: Dagger (#20375) To: *Chat (#5391) I propose the creation of *flames -------------------------- Message 6945 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:17:03 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Dagger Used to exist. People whined about the list. At least one GM said that by it's very existance, it encouraged people to argue. Personally, I think it's BS.. but, well, you know -------------------------- Message 6946 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:17:54 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ... Yeah, we bitch and moan quite well with out *flame, so nothing changed with its removal. -------------------------- Message 6948 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:19:15 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: 6944 *thwaps Dagger hard* BAD Boy! -------------------------- Message 6949 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:20:39 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) I don't see why that's 'bad'. A *flames list makes for an excellent outlet for the player base. And if people want to avoid the venom, they just don't subscribe. Hell, if Quinn'll give me a little quota, I'll recreate *hate from Strangebrew/Lambda ;> -------------------------- Message 6950 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:22:50 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: *flames All it did was cause alot of angst, hard feelings and is unnecessary. I for one (and I am not the only one) am glad it's gone. Sent the wrong signals. -------------------------- Message 6951 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:23:40 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ... As pico said, don't want to deal with the angst, don't @subscribe. -------------------------- Message 6952 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:28:45 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Dragonbabe Look at *Chat over the past few days. A name does not a flames list make. -------------------------- Message 6953 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:31:39 1999 EDT From: Untruth (#24923) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: $$$$ Though you shouldn't subscribe to the *flame thingy if you are afraid your feelings might hurt, remember - these are people online. They only know you from what you've told them. Chances are you'll never meet them unless you want to. So don't take everything so seriously, 'cuz it's not like these people really have one ounce of a clue who you really are. -------------------------- Message 6954 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:36:38 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: 6950 That's the big difference between here and a social MOO. On a social MOO there's a certain amount of freedom to create objects, lists, etc. that isn't permitted here whether you have the quota to do so or not. Most of the time this doesn't bother me, until, that is, I run into something like this where I believe the opinion of the few in power is being restrictive to the player base. Just because YOU find the idea of a *flame list angst inducing and uncomfortable doesn't mean you have to force the rest of the MOO to live with it. -------------------------- Message 6955 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:37:30 1999 EDT From: Untruth (#24923) To: *Chat (#5391) You preach it, sista! -------------------------- Message 6956 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:38:19 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Hence the whole point of the @subscribe verb. If you want the hate and angst, you @subscribe, if not, you don't @subscribe...problem solved.... Note: There will never be another *flame list, so i'm just arguing cause I can. -------------------------- Message 6957 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:44:15 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) There will never be another *flame list? Was this decided before I came here? Makes no difference anyway. It just gets posted to *chat instead where the people who would normally not be exposed to it on a *flame list will have to live through the "angst", "hard feelings" and "unnessacity" of it anyway. -------------------------- Message 6958 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:44:28 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: 6954 Heh, she gave her opinion, Tira, she didn't say 'The rest of the MOO must do this because it's what I think.' Also, as for the opinion of the few being restrictive, that's where Quinn comes in. He's the one who got rid of the list before (I'm assuming everyone is talking about *sb) and he's God here. If he doesn't want people flaming each other on his MOO, he damn well has the right to say so. Personally, I think the last thing we need is a *flames list. We already do a damn good job of it without a list expressly for it. However, as was pointed out, people just need not @subscribe if they don't want to deal with it, so really all it comes down to is what Quinn wants. And seeing as he got rid of the last one, I'd say the chances are slim. But who knows. -------------------------- Message 6959 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:50:33 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Please understand, Flux, that there is history here that took place before I came to the MOO. As for Quinn getting rid of the list, that was not the way it was presented. It was presented in such a way to appear as if this was a GM decision. Agreed, it's Quinn's MOO and he can do whatever the hell he wants to with it. But instead of that being posted and the entire subject dropped and done with, it was stated to look like the decision was made by GMs in the face of playerbase support for it. -------------------------- Message 6960 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 13:59:18 1999 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Flames list Well I started to post a long rambling reason for not having a flame list but I'll just keep it to a NO please. H -------------------------- Message 6961 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 14:14:43 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: $ Actually, I didn't say anything in my post about *flames being removed. Nor about who caused it to be removed. It was removed by Quinn. He makes the decisions on such things. I just expressed an opinion. -------------------------- Message 6962 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 14:17:22 1999 EDT From: Nightmare (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Flaming? I hate to say I told you so but... I told you so. -------------------------- Message 6963 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 15:27:08 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Flames and such.. Oh do behave you silly monkeys.. Lets get something hmm, sexual going here?? For the kiddies and all you know.. Now.. back to work with you all.. BTW... Quinn is god, God hired the GM's, they don't answer to anyone but Quinn.. And Quinn is great so therefore all the GM's are great cause... I SAID SO!! If ya want hate, live with a teenager.. Otherwise... Grow up.. Little bastards.. Red. -------------------------- Message 6964 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 17:49:15 1999 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: *flame Yes if you don't want to read *flame you would have to just not subscribe. BUT, I think the point of not having *flame anymore here was: If you have angst and hatred you want to vent, go to Lambda or some other purely social MOO and post to *hate or whatever. And once you calm down and feel like playing, just drop by. Of course, that was just the theory... I won't comment about the reality. :-) -------------------------- Message 6965 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 18:37:38 1999 EDT From: Pounce (#24787) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ummm... *flame We kick eachother in the crotch hard enough on *chat without a dedicated line to do so... I mean, seriously, we don't NEED *flames because we flame the hell out of eachother HERE... So... why add another list to do something that THIS one already does, and does quite well? And in keeping with my previous argument, I'd just like to say, you're all a bunch of libertarian morons who haven't a clue what true Freedom is. Thank you and good night. -------------------------- Message 6966 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 12 19:47:21 1999 EDT From: Yeullan (#19204) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re:Pounce Are you sure you aren't Clayson in drag? -------------------------- Message 6967 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 00:25:09 1999 EDT From: Hadrian (#24494) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: armies etc... Just curious, is anything similar to Red's army still in existance? -Hadrian -------------------------- Message 6968 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 00:29:51 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Yes. Rathe's Squad of Goons They're just all waiting in Purgatory untill Rathe comes back to life (again)... -------------------------- Message 6969 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 03:31:03 1999 EDT From: Surreality (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Actually... .not so long ago, there was something that sounded one heck of alot like a `No Flames on *chat' post by the bossman. I'd be somewhat inclined to follow his advice. If this means being civil, maybe we should all try it for a while, and keep our personal gripes to ourselves, or at least off of public venues like *lists and @channels. Can we? Please? I think it'd get us a lot closer to everyone working together to make this a better place for everyone, instead of pulling the MOO apart due to OOC conflicts. -------------------------- Message 6970 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 10:25:24 1999 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Actually.. Sounds like a good idea. (And yes there was post like that from God.) -------------------------- Message 6971 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 12:10:14 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Actually... And... Like Thumpers Dad said.. "If ya can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all.." Red. -------------------------- Message 6972 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 12:34:21 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Red Same movie, different vibe. Like the Hunter said: "Bang, mofo." -------------------------- Message 6973 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 14:40:52 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Responding I need to respond now :) heh, would have done it sooner but was at Darci's laying about naked in the CFO's hot tub. Now, no *flame, it will only bring out the bigger asshole of me. Vert was only expressing his opinion, opinions are good. I really think the GM's should back down and perhaps listen to what the players have to say. Just because a player has something to say it does not mean he is *flaming the GM's, God or wiz's. I'm not waving my flag here, but a few of us went and built a moo, it's Quinns core, we have 153 players now. On a good day when school is out we have as many as 23 signed in, all ic and not idle. I don't know why, and I don't know why it is not happening here. But in some ways I have to agree with Vert, this place has become a social moo. I think GM's are taking Quinns rules a bit to heart. I don't really think he told you to stop coming up with TP's. And if he did, then perhaps he should rethink it. But then again he is busy with his real life, maybe you ppl in charge should just do something, anything. Create a bad guy, group, and act on it and let other players get involved if wanted. Maybe it is time to bring on new GM's, ones that have time to put their heart into this place. I know everyone is getting older, leaving school, getting married or what not. But we do need GM's here who love the game and want to add to it. Or at least come up with some original ideas. There is so much you can add to this moo, a matrix for one. Future this is, technology does not stop.... I'm all for a reset if that is what it would take to increase RP. What is more important? Stats or the interactive imagination? Oh, and Pico/Rathe, not everyone is a genius. Just because they have no grasp of the English language does not make them stupid. Stupid ppl have no clue of politics in my eyes, or current events, or have any judgment on the up coming election.....are you stupid? -------------------------- Message 6974 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 14:49:42 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ... Quinn said no MOO-wide TPs, fine and dandy, I hate those anyhow. I think, however what Ep was saying was that everyone was bitching about nothing to do, no TPs (A few said the GMs did nothing, etc) So, Ep went, made TPs invited all people to join in. The people that earlier were complaining about nothing to do either, didn't join in or joined in and promptly idled. If you bitch and moan about something, and someone goes out of thier way to solve the problem, and you don't take part its your OWN fault, not that of the GMs. Alex/Rand -------------------------- Message 6975 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 14:52:45 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Clayson This is a language-based medium. An English language based medium, in the case of GW. While I'm sure there are people out there who aren't familiar with english and are terribly bright at other things.. like, say, mathematics, they're SOL in a text-based environment. -------------------------- Message 6976 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 15:00:59 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Another response. That is not what I read Alex, what I read was Vert with an opinion. And I really believe if the GM's would read the opinions instead of analyzing them, more would come of this place. I know text is hard to decipher. That is why I use it to such an advantage, but I tell you what :) If players complained to me I would defiantly do something about it, or at least page them and ask specifically what it was bothering them instead of flaming them on a public post. Oh please Rathe, get off your little box. I played with you for years and I can't spell. -------------------------- Message 6977 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 15:09:11 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Clayson, although deficient, you're still better than alot of players. Heh. Anyone remember Chaz? Or Foxie? -------------------------- Message 6978 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 15:15:38 1999 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yay. Anyway I'll be brief. GW, for the most part is alot of fun. I can still say without a doubt I've had some of the best roleplaying experiences I've ever had here, actually, the best, ever. The game was great when I joined, alot of players, different places, all with the abilities to do alot more then we are currently. I'll guarantee almost every plot back then had a coder behind it, be it Theseus, with Ankh. Kynwal with Specter, or Stalinger and Styx combined with the Embryon TP. The things that made it so much fun was that it involved everyone, and no one, I mean no one ever complained. There were elements of toys, benefits, social interaction, and other bonuses to the game back then. Thats what I loved about ghostwheel, how it was so diverse and each of the players managed a seperation. Not to knock Quinn, I truly believe the man is a god in all respects, and I respect him but we tried his way and so far we've had nothing but bad things happening here. It's not his fault, or even the GM's or the players, GW just isn't working right now. So when there is a problem, you fix it. Simple as that, what we need to do is get the proper creation for the players set up, chargen. Whatever you want to call it, I really don't care. It could be just that new players can spend potential points in a different manner, to allow them to come out of chargen at about average, everyone in this would should be average in an ability. SO swordsman, good with swords, gunmen, good with guns. yes stats aren't important but who cares about them in the long run. What we need above all else is to get new players, who will *enjoy* their time here as much as we have before them. I'm just rambling at this point, but you know what we need, it's not that hard to make it happen. Lets just stop the flaming, in fact if I see a flame on this board one more time, a serious one, I will ream the asses of both parties involved, and don't make me do it, Ed can be very vulgar when he vants to be, nyah. @more -------------------------- Message 6979 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 15:20:58 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Ed? Please, please, *please*.. .stay the hell away from my ass. *shiver* -------------------------- Message 6980 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 13 20:47:31 1999 EDT From: Khyber (#12460) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Stat leveling or uhh specific stat NO! -------------------------- Message 6982 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 14 18:14:49 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Storylines It was nice to see some storylines again :) -------------------------- Message 6983 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 16 15:49:50 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Special Day :) Today is Mulder's birthday. Everyone should give him a big o'l hug cause he is such a wonderful, wonderful man :) Plus he makes the best undies on the moo! Happy Birthday Mulder!! -------------------------- Message 6984 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 17 07:21:30 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Newbies Several days ago a post was made about pairing up newbies with older characters so that they could be taught the ways of the MOO and the game. I have spent the last TWO DAYS with a newbie. That's how long it took for her to create her character, set her stats, write her plan, learn the combat system, spar high enough so that she wouldn't die on Jizo, set her messages and learn the specialized commands that go with the game that are different from a social MOO. Throw in that she had NO experience in RP and had to be led through her first experience with it (which she picked up quite nicely). The end result was a happy player fully hooked on this MOO. But TWO DAYS???? Yes, she read the game help files but the files are Greek to a newbie until they are shown them IN ACTION. My conclusion? For the survival of this MOO we need new blood. And the only way we're going to get it is to get some kind of player help system going. -------------------------- Message 6985 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 17 09:50:17 1999 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *chuckle* Merri hon, I used to do at least 2 people like that every week, but I'm not gloating. Why do you think I always complained that there was no chargen? -------------------------- Message 6986 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 17 12:13:32 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Dante's post I'm not bitching about it, Dante. I had a good time hanging out with this girl and showing her the ropes. You trained ME when I first came here :) In fact, I thought it was some official capacity you had because I never saw anybody else doing it. It seems like everybody just took for granted that you were the "newbie trainer". If anybody ran into one they would just point them in your direction. Heck, even I'VE done that. I don't think you've gotten much credit for it. Well, I'm going to give you MY kudos. -------------------------- Message 6987 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 17 12:54:38 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Dante's post Hanging out with your own new alts don't count... Did I say that?? *evil grin* Red -------------------------- Message 6988 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 17 14:47:17 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Dante just `helps' new people so he can get all the h0t moosex -------------------------- Message 6989 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 17 14:49:11 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) But at least he makes it clear right at the beginning. Besides, it's a good way to simultaneously boost shock/endurance. -------------------------- Message 6990 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 17 14:54:18 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Just a question Why is appearance lumped with the coded skills and cost 5 points per appearance attribute when it's not a coded thing but an RP one? -------------------------- Message 6991 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 17 14:56:57 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Otherwise we'd have everyone on the MOO running around with AMAZING looks, etc etc. At least when they have to pay for it, it limits how many people have the appearance of gods/godesses. May not be the real reason, but from experience on other places, its a damn good one. -------------------------- Message 6992 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 17 15:02:35 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) Yeah, but lots of people don't even bother to put it on their .sheet. They just write a self description to appear like a god/goddess. It makes no real difference beyond costing CPs. That also doesn't explain why it's put with the coded stuff on the .sheet and not the noncoded. I guess my real question is what's the point of putting it on the .sheet to begin with? It almost seems unnecassary and a waste of CPs. -------------------------- Message 6993 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 17 15:11:28 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Merri And we all know how hard CPs are to come by... -------------------------- Message 6994 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 17 15:18:37 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I'm not positive... but, I think if you have the cp's for appearance your are widely accepted as beautiful. Your character is beautiful to the majority of the populus. (or ugly depending on how you put the points) Otherwise it's up to the other player to decide if they think you're attractive or not. That's how I always saw it anyway. -------------------------- Message 6995 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 17 17:14:10 1999 EDT From: Jacksparrow (#24950) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Merri's Training Sessions Buenas tardes: I RPed some with the character that Merri trained, and I'd like to say, Merri, you did a darned good job, there. Absolutely no complaints from me, and I _live_ for good RPing. There's my $15 pesos worth. Okay, not quite: One of my favorite things to do on the MOO is to see new characters wandering around who _want_ to RP and want are willing to learn. The best thing, IMHO, we can do is to encourage that by hanging out more where the newbies hang out (say, once or twice a week, at least). Go meander around Jizo; grab a drink in the R/T Lounge. For Heaven's sake: Get out of the house! Hmmm...let me contemplate the whole getting out of the virtual house thing in regards to the fact that if we're hanging out virtually then we're probably _not_ out of our RL houses...which means there's a paradox of ... *gurgle* I have now officially gone over the edge. Talk to ya later, ---Jacksparrow... -------------------------- Message 6996 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 17 17:54:35 1999 EDT From: Fortitude (#24841) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: appearance Appearance hasn't been allowed on sheets for at least several months now. Any players that might have it would have had it put in before we got rid of it. Sheet edits for new players do not (should not) include anything like that. If you want to be attractive or ugly, it's up to you to describe yourself accordingly to convince other players. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. -------------------------- Message 6997 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 18 05:14:09 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Skywalker's tp post 1278 on *tps I understand your need to post this, Skywalker. It's a shame to realize that to break a soulbond one character must permanently die. I applaud you for going about it the way it should be done. It was very touching and sad. I think it needs to be pointed out that after the Lovinia/Baltisaar debacle that soul bonds were outlawed for the very reason that they could not be broken except through the permanent death of a character. There will be a few that will be grandfathered in that will go by the wayside as time goes on but there will never be a need for anybody on this MOO to have to make that choice again. Again, I have tremendous respect for the fact that you guys went about it the "right" way. BRAVO!!!!! -------------------------- Message 6998 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 18 05:32:25 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Uh Soulbonds don't exist anymore? -------------------------- Message 6999 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 18 10:29:37 1999 EDT From: Yeullan (#19204) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Soulbonds As far as I've seen, Soulbonding was never officially removed. At least, if it was, it was slipped out of the game notes in the night at the whims of a few GMs who I will not speculate on names for. Secondly, you're wrong, Tira m'dear. Soulbonds can be removed, only with a 5-point willpower penalty. If you doubt me, I can reproduce the exact message on *mages about just that. Yes, it's sad that you have to pay in stats for something that thanks to laziness never became a coded reality, but such is the way of Ghostwheel. And in response to Surr's post about *policy, you are once more an idea goddess in my books. *winks* This is a VERY VERY good idea to have, something Ghostwheel has needed no doubt for years. Too bad it's like polishing the saddle on a dead rotting corpse of a horse at this point. -------------------------- Message 7000 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 18 11:50:29 1999 EDT From: Denali (#18459) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Soulbonds Quinn's word is law: No more human-human soulbonds, as of Tue, Apr 27 18:46:26 1999 EDT. Human-animal still exist. As far as I can see, end of discussion. D -------------------------- Message 7001 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 18 11:57:37 1999 EDT From: Denali (#18459) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Clarification of previous. All current soulbonds that exist, still exist. But no more are allowed to be made. My apologies for the error. D -------------------------- Message 7002 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 18 12:06:31 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) "Dead rotting corpse of a horse" Yeullan? If it is (which I don't see), who's fault might that be? When was the last time YOU went IC , RPed and/or did anything but sit on the pub channel and engage in idle chatter? Hmmmm? When was the last time you posted to *storylines? When was the last time you helped a newbie? If this place IS a "dead rotting corpse of horse" it's thanks to people like YOU! -------------------------- Message 7003 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 18 12:56:30 1999 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Free software for the blind Anyone know of a good links page for Software for the blind my Cusion is blind and she's just getting a net connection so I'm looking around for stuff to install on her box. H -------------------------- Message 7004 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 18 13:16:29 1999 EDT From: Yeullan (#19204) To: *Chat (#5391) I don't recall, Tira, you doing anything on this MOO in a very long time except bitch and gripe about various imbalances, game design issues, and the GM you don't like. Even when there was reason to bother leaving one's house to RP, you certainly weren't on the forefront of making enticing and ingenious plots for others to enjoy. I admit, I've been jaded to this all for a long time and have not really put myself out to RP, but you certainly don't have room to accuse me. Now, if you want to MOOfuck or pretend to be casting elaborate magely spells in private, that's all well and good, but don't pretend that you're self-righteously making the MOO a better place when all you're doing is spreading bullshit. Oh, one more thing. @read from:tirafal on *tps *storylines (#5236) has no messages from Tirafal (#24173) I'll refrain from making a trite comment about pots and kettles. -------------------------- Message 7005 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 18 13:25:23 1999 EDT From: Denali (#18459) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: [Denali (#18459): Previous] Date: Sat Sep 18 13:24:49 1999 EDT From: Denali (#18459) To: *storylines (#5236) Subject: Previous Take it to MOOmail or pages. Period. D -------------------------- Message 7006 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 18 13:48:37 1999 EDT From: Jazz (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Newbie helpers. If you wish to be an 'official' newbie helper, please send me mail. Please do this only if you are serious about it and can be online at least once or twice a week, NOT hidden and don't mind new players paging you out of the blue with seemingly dumb or silly questions. Patient people please apply. -------------------------- Message 7007 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 18 14:33:01 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Darci I talked to my sister yesterday Sky, she wants to come back and play now..heh :) j/k. Nice post *hugs* -------------------------- Message 7008 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 18 15:33:06 1999 EDT From: Skywalker (#6644) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Stuff Actually, the goal of my post was to help a friend exit the MOO gracefully and not just as another name on the reaping list. If I had it my way, she'd still be playing here and the soulbond would be intact...but things don't always work out as we'd like them. Now it's a shame that there's one less soulbonded couple out there because it's a great thing to RP. However, not everybody can appreciate the long term effects that come with them. But that's no longer a concern since no new player-player bonds will be allowed. As far as removing a bond for a stat loss, you'd have to ask another GM because I don't know much about it. I suppose that's all I had to say. --Sky -------------------------- Message 7009 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 18 23:53:35 1999 EDT From: Jazz (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Things you found confusing. I'm asking everyone to remember waht it was like to be a newbie. What confused you? What do you wish there were help files or something written up to clue you in? Whatever these things are, send them to me. I'm working on a project and I want your point of view. Thank you. P'nine -------------------------- Message 7010 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 19 11:17:49 1999 EDT From: Jazz (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Ok, this is what I'm up to. I've begun creation of a newbie help area, something to aid new players in learning the ropes of roleplay without all the confusing mumbo jumbo that we all know goes on now. This is why I am seeking newbie helper volunteers and advice on what you think should be in these rooms. My idea is to have it available to be used by a newbie without help, but compatable for newbie helpers to simply run new people through there and help them gleen as much information as possible. So, this is why I need your opinions and suggestions. What do YOU all want to see in this project? Thanks in advance, P'nine in a name change -------------------------- Message 7011 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 21 01:20:20 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Just thought I'd let everyone know what is going on in my life.. It is really lonely and quiet for the most part except for my time with my little sister and her kids.. In a few weeks time, I will most probably be moving down to her house or getting my own apartment.. That means I'll be without net access for a long period of time until I can get an extra line in at Dette's house or a phone of my own.. My older sisters are using very evil tactics to get me out of this house which I've lived in for 27 years. Through no fault of my mom's because she trusted my older sister to be her trustie.. My older sister is using the estate against me by deniing anything to anyone else in the family until I am moved out.. So if I stay here.. The pressure and the finances will be more than I can bear.. So I just wanted to let you all know what was happening if I go away suddenly and don't show up again for awhile.. Things will work out and I'll have the last word on the whole matter.. They will have to live with it the rest of their lives and I know that I've done everything I can or could of done to be where I'm at.. I really miss my Mom. Love ya all.. Rob -------------------------- Message 7012 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 22 02:54:01 1999 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Part of my 'Abuse of Pico' campaign The new NIN rocks my ass better than Rand and his collection of broomhandles. Buy. Purchase. Consume. -------------------------- Message 7013 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 22 15:42:51 1999 EDT From: Tikiaido (#24781) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Stupid file extension system... Do any of you beautiful people know where to find a media player that will play sound files of the extension type *.acm ? If so, I'd really appreciate you tell me. -------------------------- Message 7014 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 22 16:11:05 1999 EDT From: Pico (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) WinPoop 9.0b -------------------------- Message 7015 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 22 16:17:23 1999 EDT From: Tikiaido (#24781) To: *Chat (#5391) You are a strange little man, Rathe. -------------------------- Message 7016 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 23 13:42:50 1999 EDT From: Jacksparrow (#24950) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: For whomsoever wishes to know Hola y buenos dias: Just thought I'd mention that we got a couple of web pages up and running for Jacksparrow and Valentine. There's some basic background info and PICTURES! Can't take credit for the images: they are blatently stolen from here and there around the Net. Anyway, if you've always wondered what Vale and Jack look like to the people who play them, here you go. If you prefer to let your imagination do the talking, well, don't go to the websites. Duh... Jacksparrow: http://ouroborus.homepage.com/jspar.html Valentine: http://ouroborus.homepage.com/vale.html Have fun, ---Jacksparrow... -------------------------- Message 7017 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 24 14:01:31 1999 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Richmond Headlines..(I'm glad I'm moving to California soon) Infants body found in microwave in New Kent A Virginia community is shocked, saddened and looking for answers this morning, after a one-month-old baby was found dead inside a microwave oven. Newborn baby found dead in Isle of Wight Isle of Wight police are investigating the death of another newborn. This was a baby boy, born to a 16-year-old girl. No charges filed yet in Dinwiddie baby death An update to the story of a baby found in a portable toilet in Dinwiddie. Still no charges have been filed as police continue their investigation. New details emerge. -------------------------- Message 7018 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 24 18:44:34 1999 EDT From: Denali (#18459) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: .acm player. To my knowledge, Microsoft Audio Codec Modules (ACM) do not have an audio portion that can be played. They are, essentially, a binary file that tells Media Player how to handle a certain file type. At least, thats the .acm that _I_ know. D -------------------------- Message 7019 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 24 23:41:56 1999 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Shock and Anger I was driving today and some guy hit me when attempting to make a left turn. His fault. Then he speeds off with the intention of getting away without consequence. My friend Corey and I stuck around (and blocked up traffic) while we collected witness phone numbers. A stroke of luck and we found his dented up, pulverized license plate. Seems it had fallen off when he collided with my back passenger side and rear. So...the guy must have stopped somewnere to assess his damage. Realized that he was f*cked because we could now identify him or his car. He comes back. Nary a 'sorry' or remorse, he stands there babbling in some foreign east Indian language. A taxi driver who spoke his tongue acted as a go between and collected his drivers license and insurance info for me. (How I wanted to clock the bastard.) At any rate...It turns out that the cops wouldn't even come. We have some NO FAULT accident law here in Ontario where everyone is liable for their own damages. That means I have to either pay to get my car fixed out of my own pocket or have my insurance premiums sky rocket with a claim. Of course, I could always drive around with a dented up car...But I won't. So...I'm tempted to go out and buy some ragged ass sh*tbox and play bumper cars on the highway. I couldn't and wouldn't be penalized. Most I would lose is my investment in the lemon. Am so upset and angry. The guy doesn't even have to pay for his mistake. I feel as though I've been wronged and have been denied justice. That's all for tonight's rant. Please excuse any inapropraite language I might have used. My apologies if I have offended anyone. I just feel as though I need to jump up and down, stomp on something. Yell, scream and cry.. --Sue -------------------------- Message 7020 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 08:21:28 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Advice I need some help... I've never had to move before and get my own apartment.. Any advice would be appreciated.. Things to look for ect.. Here I am 37 years old and I feel like a virgin all over again.. Ok.. Shut up now.. Thanks.. Rob -------------------------- Message 7021 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 09:15:25 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Whatever you do, don't move in with anyone you know online. *eyes warily* Just.. don't tell Them I said this. They're going to.. NO! PLEASE DON"T BEAT ME NO NO PLEASE STOP NO! -------------------------- Message 7022 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 19:42:57 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Totally apropos to nothing. Yesterday evening I was at work and went outside to smoke a cigarette. I saw the sun flash as it reflected off of something white in the sky. I took a second look at it and felt my breath leave me as I realized it was a bald eagle. Only once before have I seen an eagle. I've seen redtail hawks, turkey vultures, even owls; but there's something about an eagle in the wild, flying free, that can't be defined as anything but breathtaking. -------------------------- Message 7023 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 19:43:36 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Anyone up for some hunting? *loads shotgun* -------------------------- Message 7024 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 19:44:48 1999 EDT From: Linus (#24942) To: *Chat (#5391) Birds are your friends, espically ones that can fly. -------------------------- Message 7025 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 19:44:57 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) *shaking head sadly* How did I know you would respond that way? -------------------------- Message 7026 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 19:45:13 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I once saw a bald eagle I was sitting on one of those uncovered portable toilets while camping, and there it was in all it's beauty about 20 yards from me, scrafing down on a dead animal. True story. -------------------------- Message 7027 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 19:47:40 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Eagles We have lots of them out here, and yes, they are breath-taking. There are some places up on the Mountain that for a certain time during the year you are not allowed at specific points. During mating, clutching of Eagles, Hawks, and various Falcons. It is wonderous. -------------------------- Message 7028 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 19:48:34 1999 EDT From: Khyber (#12460) To: *Chat (#5391) Where do you live? I hear eagle eggs are delecious...I like eggs..from head down to my legs.. -------------------------- Message 7029 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 19:49:07 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Vert's post That doesn't surprise me; all raptors including owls are not averse to a free meal. They will hunt but carrion is just as much a meal and a whole lot easier to catch then a live animal. That doesn't detract from their beauty in flight at all; at least to me. Hell, I even think the turkey buzzaeds are pretty when they're circling a camp in the west Texas hill country. -------------------------- Message 7030 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 19:49:20 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) *laughs and isnt telling YOU, Khyber! -------------------------- Message 7031 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 19:50:04 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Didn't say it wasn't beautiful. Was just explaining the situation. -------------------------- Message 7032 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 19:50:13 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Well, I'm not picky either. I'll eat them even if they're dirty carrion eaters. -------------------------- Message 7033 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 20:14:54 1999 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Slideshow screensavers. Anyone knbow of any downloadable good ones? Possible ones which you can add images to and make your own, etc? -------------------------- Message 7034 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 25 20:26:19 1999 EDT From: Linus (#24942) To: *Chat (#5391) just make a regular x program, and interface it with xlock. UNnless you are using Windoze. -------------------------- Message 7035 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 09:57:20 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *ideas (#504) and *Chat (#5391) Ever since Eppy took the monsters out of the cem about the only place there is for me to go hunt is the underground. I categorically refuse to go to GW plain because I refuse to accept the inevitability of stat degradation from being killed by the Chim. On the other hand, since the underground is used as a "bank" by the high statted characters, finding a time when it's not in use is almost impossible, especially now that Rathe and Rand are "active" again. Can someone PLEASE build an area that's halfway safe yet challenging for the mid level character? -------------------------- Message 7036 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 09:59:25 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: So, essentially, you're complaining that you can't go boost whenever you want anymore, because other people are often down in the slisssh pit too? boo hoo -------------------------- Message 7037 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 09:59:36 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ... I've been in the Slisssh pit ONCE in the last three days. And I was there for about 45minutes... As for `high stated', I believe you are higher statted then I am, Tira/Merri/whatever. Alex -------------------------- Message 7038 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 10:57:08 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Merri Now let me get this straight. Because you refuse to hunt in a part of a game and others are now down in the slisssh pit something new should be made for you? Please, when did this turn into Merri's moo? Last time I was down in the pit there was over 40 slisssh down there, I think there is enough to go around. Sometimes your posts really irritate me Merri, I guess I don't understand why you stay here if you hate it so much. Anyway, isn't your husband a GM here, why don't you have him build you a special little Merri world with a special little board just so you can post too...would that make you happy? Im sorry if the above sounded rash and rude, but you complain all the time Merri. You complain if nobody plays, you complain when they play. What is it that is going to make you happy? Clay (Truck driven Bob to the masses) -------------------------- Message 7039 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 12:41:26 1999 EDT From: Surreality (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Slissh/etc. The bayou was originally made for midlevel characters -- and I don't see it being used often, so it's generally free and clear for people to hunt in. Would it help matters if it was expanded and more beasties were included? -------------------------- Message 7040 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 12:58:52 1999 EDT From: Jett (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I just can't win. Beasties released back in the cemetery. Happy hunting. -------------------------- Message 7041 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 14:02:33 1999 EDT From: Skywalker (#6644) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: N'Orleans First of all the Bayou is just fine as it is. I don't know why it's not used very often, but there are players with stats a lot lower than mine that can run around in there with no fear of being killed. It does not need expansion, nor is it necessary to put more critts in there. Now about the cemetary. I'm sorry, but if you can't handle a temporary removal of the critters (for a plot, nonetheless), because it interferes with your boosting (I won't comment on anybody's stats), then I don't want to hear any more complaining about there being no RP on the MOO and no plots going on--at least from that corner of the peanut galery. In my opinion, we have enough hunting areas as it is, covering a healthy range of players with high, medium, low, and non-existent stats. -------------------------- Message 7042 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 14:05:25 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) Y'know, when I made the post I did I had no idea I was going to be laying myself open to a flame fest. My apologies for opening my mouth. -------------------------- Message 7043 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 14:09:12 1999 EDT From: Jett (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) You got what you wanted, Merri. Happy hunting. -------------------------- Message 7044 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 14:18:15 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) What is it with everybody? Eppy, I never asked to have the critters rereleased in the cem :( Now, I feel like I'm being attacked for THAT too. If you want to take them out for a tp then do it. It's your area. Hell, tear the damn thing up and recycle it. It's on your audit, not mine. I asked a simple question, made a simple request and have had my ass jumped all day long from every corner. Does that mean nobody wants me here? I'll be happy to go if that's the case. I won't stay where I'm not wanted. -------------------------- Message 7045 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 14:20:47 1999 EDT From: Surreality (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Wasn't trying to jump from this end -- but the bayou was for midrange, and I do need to know if it needs upgrading/etc. -------------------------- Message 7046 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 14:30:49 1999 EDT From: Jett (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *sigh* Merri, when you post I cringe. 80% of the time you're going off on something completely related to you. It comes off as self centered and trivial to the rest of us. If you'd tone it down a bit, maybe you wouldn't feel so unwelcome anymore. I run a heavy risk of getting in trouble for saying this. But I can't be silent anymore. The cemetery plot will continue, but I will be reconsidering it and how to run it. Stay tuned, kiddies. -------------------------- Message 7047 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 14:32:09 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Hunting Heck, I waited my turn politely.. Rathe ain't been around in ages and if he needs to go a hunting I'm willing to let him take his turn.. He didn't have any problem stoping so I could get in there for a few.. Maybe if we just used a bit more honey and a little less vineger.. Red.. -------------------------- Message 7048 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 14:40:13 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) I wouldn't say BOO to Rathe. Not unless I want to be told to go fuck myself, which he's done on more then one ocassion in so many words. There isn't a person on here that DOESN'T post to their own concerns. In that, we are ALL self centered. And I may get in trouble for saying this myself, but the REAL reason you cringe, Eppy, is because you know your husband and housemate will jump on ANYTHING I say and twist it and try their best to make me look like a bitch. You guys want people to hang out on the pub channel and talk about rape and murder and death and sodomy, necrophilia and pedophilia and other wonderful nasty subjects, to vapidly "diediefornicatedie" out of boredom, then go for it. What a waste of what COULD be a good MOO. -------------------------- Message 7049 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 14:43:29 1999 EDT From: Jett (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) I am not going to get into an argument with you over this in a public *Chat forum, Merri. No one wants to read it. And I will not take part in it from this point forward. Someone has to grow up and say enough at some point. And no this is not directed at you, Merri. I will not be posting on this further. -------------------------- Message 7050 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 14:47:26 1999 EDT From: Dalkirk (#20796) To: *Chat (#5391) So how 'bout them Dolphins? -------------------------- Message 7051 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 14:56:45 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) *sniffles* I ain't been sodomized in days on the public channel.. It just isn't fair!! *grins* -------------------------- Message 7052 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 14:58:28 1999 EDT From: Surreality (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *sigh* Everyone posts their own concerns, yes. Posting our own concerns -shouldn't- involve tossing barbs and insults at each other. There are quite a few vocal people on the MOO -- I'm one of 'em and I know it. But I -try- not to insult people, and despite popular opinion, I try not to take posts personally unless they specifically point to me. BTW -- if anyone is taking this as a personal attack, it isn't. I'm not -trying- to be venomous here, so I apologize now if it's taken that way. The people who post the most about problems they have are sometimes labelled as whiners. The GMs don't tag them, the mythical `in-crowd' doesn't tag them... it just happens. People go with what they see. If they only see complaints from someone, they'll figure the person's a whiner. Some people are convinced I'm a devious bitch out to hurt anyone who doesn't tell me how perfect I am, or that I'm pissed at everyone all the time. *shrug* I can't change those opinions easily, whether they're true or not. BTW -- that's a big part of why I don't post constantly like I used to. Either I'm not skilled enough at conveying that I'm not pure evil, or people just want to think I am for some reason I have yet to understand. (It'd be nice if someone explained it, but oh well.) Point is, I don't know why people see me as they do -- because I'm not them. I know what I mean, but I don't know what they interpret it to mean. Same thing pretty much applies all around. Quite a few people here know each other well enough to infer much more, sometimes, than is intended -- or, by contrast, -don't- know the background or what-have-you behind the `real story'... so miscommunication is always going to be an issue... ..so long as we talk at each other, and not with each other. ..and there's my hippy thought of the day. -------------------------- Message 7053 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 15:03:03 1999 EDT From: Surreality (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: For Yeullan clitoris clitoris clitoris. Amen. -------------------------- Message 7054 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 15:06:34 1999 EDT From: Jett (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Australia, australia, australia, we love you. Amen. Er... monty python anyone? -------------------------- Message 7055 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 17:37:23 1999 EDT From: Shandryl (#24740) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: wondering "For us newbies, just walking around is an adventure, and can get confusing. >From the R/T Helipad I try to call a ship and seem to get the Triton alot. This ship only seems to go Undersea and to the R/T Helipad. With the Trition docked there, I can't call another transport. The only rcourse I have found is to go OOC and home, and find the transport from my home island. Is there something I am missing? I can't seem to get anywhere in Undersea, and I want t ovisit some other areas! send -------------------------- Message 7056 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 17:45:43 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: transports There is another transport pod in the R/T garage. -------------------------- Message 7057 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 18:35:47 1999 EDT From: Kzin (#5800) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Blahblahblah My only response to ALL these posts.. The sliss -are- somewhat easily abused, even though they do come in hoards... Or herds, or packs, or whatever it should be called. But anyone who can dodge more than 10 at a time can block them in and destroy them, letting enough out of the single spawning point at a time to survive the fight, then repeat. And I believe the spawn-points on the GW were randomized for the reason that people would sit in the single chim-spawn spot and kill it endlessly. I don't know if anyone IS abusing the Slisssshie, BUT.... I have seen people there in the past for 4+ hours, and occasionally I killed them for it with a shotgun ;) -------------------------- Message 7058 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 18:55:00 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Kzin's post I don't know if the slisssh can be blocked in but they CAN be one hit killed as they spawn, especially if you have the proper enhanced weaponry. Combine that with a very high dodge and you can keep ALL slissh from ever leaving the spawning ground. -------------------------- Message 7059 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 18:56:28 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) We should try that with the ladies.. I say... Yummm.. -------------------------- Message 7060 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 18:57:38 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *glances at the last few posts* Nothing out of the norm there, Whine first, then rebuttal rebuttal, whine more, rebuttal, half-assed apology, rebuttle, whine, etc...God I love this place. -------------------------- Message 7061 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 19:10:07 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: 7048 If I recall correctly, I suggested -- immediately after your post -- that if you wanted to head down into the slisssh pit, you could have just said 'Hey Rathe, could you ditch the pit for a few? I need to get some sparring in'. You didn't reply. Also, really, I'm beginning to grow tired of your passive-aggressive posts. You say one thing in a roundabout way, insist you never meant it that way. It's how you insult people, it's how you make any kind of point, it's how you go about *everything*. 7048 is the closest I've ever seen you to starting out being blatantly confrontational and up-front. Maybe I should congradulate you. Oh. Also: die die fornicate die -------------------------- Message 7062 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 19:11:52 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Shandryl I'm catching up on posts. Pardon if this has already been replied to. try entering the helicopter and typing `engage', or taking the transports in the R/T Garage -------------------------- Message 7063 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 23:23:23 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Reply 7061 So now I'm "passive aggresive". First I was a "whiner" and now I'm this. These would seem to be mutually exclusive of each other. So what am I Rathe? A "whiner"? Or "passive aggresive"? Admit that the post that started this whole flame fest, if posted by ANYONE other then me, would have been passed over. I can't MAKE a post that you and your cohort don't jump on and twist and make nasty comments about, no matter how innocuous it might be. Both of my characters have permanently left the pub channel. The vapidity you have created there would not be tolerated on another MOO. But (as much as it pisses you off) I'm not leaving. I'm not some cracker ass newbie that you can intimidate. For a very long time you HAVE intimidated me. No more. This bitch is going to stand on her hind legs. And BTW, same goes for you, Rand. You guys want to gang up on me and kill me ICly, go for it. But I don't intend to interact with anybody on this MOO anymore that I'm not IC (with a VERY few exceptions and not in public). -------------------------- Message 7064 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 23:25:52 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Tirafal good god, now I now how bad I must have seemed posting... -------------------------- Message 7065 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 23:26:58 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re re: Tirafal Well, least I seen you naked.. Yummm... -------------------------- Message 7066 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 23:27:47 1999 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Interlude This place need an official happy fluffy rabbit day. -------------------------- Message 7067 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 23:28:20 1999 EDT From: Khyber (#12460) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Red Fang Least I seen you naked...AGHAGHG. -------------------------- Message 7068 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 23:28:46 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) You have? I don't remember that. But if you did I hope you liked what you saw :) -------------------------- Message 7069 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 23:29:49 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) I love naked girls!! IN the kitchen in the bedroom!! in the living room! IN the R/T Lounge!! Come on babies!! DO I make you horney!" -------------------------- Message 7070 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 23:30:11 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Tirafal You alternate between the two. Me and my band of cohorts -- who, by the way, are all out to get you specifically -- have this down to a science. Don't think you're special, Tirafal. I mock everyone who makes idiotic, whiny comments *anywhere*. You've joined in on it before on Strangebrew, when I was going after Stacy. You've seen me do it on the public channel. Vapidity? *gets out the dictionary* Oh. Right then. I would agree you're not a cracker-ass newbie... try something more along the lines of a wedding cake. If you're intimidated by someone coming at you with the same venom and level of hostility you project, I suggest you A) seek counselling, or B) get out of the kitchen. .it's hot in here. -------------------------- Message 7071 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 23:30:34 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Nudity Seeing me naked is no big deal. The only areas I have described are my head and my hands (hee!) -------------------------- Message 7072 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 26 23:32:29 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) I got me this imagination.. Yummm.. Let me be your sword and you be my scabbard.. Yummm.. -------------------------- Message 7073 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 00:02:57 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Tirafal Don't let it get to you, you know how many times I have been called a bitch, drunk, whining whore, child abuser? What does it matter when I know who I really am, and the people who know and love me know who I am. Luckily none of the ppl who really know me are on line or they would have commented me years ago :) What I'm trying to say, no matter what you post, someone is going to say something. It's just the rules of the m***. Just ignore it and play. Here is a trick that gets me past the ppl that piss me off, I think of them naked, fat and sweating, eating large quantities of food as it spills down there chest. For some reason that thought always makes me laugh. -------------------------- Message 7074 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 00:04:45 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: All of the most recent posts You know something, though? I saw a fluffy bunny today. -------------------------- Message 7075 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 00:16:25 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: So, now i'm a cohort of Rathe, nyeh? Dandy, actually, I was just pointing things out, don't think I posted any flames whatsoever. Hmm, but I supose it is time for a flame now. Lets see, out of the lsat bundle of posts by Tira/Merri, I would say 9 in 10 are bitchy whiney posts that basically sum up to this: Its not fair! I want it MY way! WAH WAH! WAH! Whatever. Wanna know why I look at you as a whiner? Because that is _ALL_ you ever do in your posts. Every M** i'm on that you are also on, every post you make is a flame, or a whiney little bitchfest. I also remember quite clearly a NUMBER of occations when you personally attacked Rathe and myself on lists, and then pitched a fucking piss fit when we went right back at you. If you can dish it out, you damn well better be able to take it. You're off public channel? What a fucking pitty, I know i'm going to be crushed nwo that I can't see you spew off a steady stream of whining. Before this, I really had no problem with you, I just ignored you and everyone was happy. But you pull this crap and you damn well KNEW we would respond this way. You wanted attention, well you have it. Rand -------------------------- Message 7076 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 00:17:48 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Oh yeah... Stop logging in Yna, Tira...I know you can only spar so much with your characters, but it really isn't good to log in someone elses character just so you can get your rocks off. -------------------------- Message 7077 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 00:33:06 1999 EDT From: Kzin (#5800) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Helloooo Can we all shut up now that we've said our piece? Thanks, not like this place ain't got problems enough without flamefest... Yeeesh. You people really should buy punching bags...and that's a general statement, K? -------------------------- Message 7078 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 00:35:06 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Kzinti, go back to your punching bag, but leave my fluffy bunny out of this! -Jess (the incoherent spam-contributor) ,. -------------------------- Message 7079 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 01:10:33 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Oh give it a rest Rand. You hated my guts when we lived together and let it carry over to the MOO. You've sought every possible way to flame me and manipulate me and the sad part is, I let you. Hell, I'm being manipulated now just answering this Bullshit. I got your number, baaaabeeee. -------------------------- Message 7080 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 01:14:39 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Oh and BTW, Rand. If you have a problem with Ynaoise take it up with Denali. It's his character, not mine. -------------------------- Message 7081 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 01:14:42 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ... Interesting deduction, Tira...Did you just pull that out of your ass, or did you have to think about it for an hour? Bah, annoying...Yes yes, i'm baiting you..*sniffles* I'm manipulating you! Oh woe-is-me! Horrible horrible fate! *whine* *whine* -------------------------- Message 7082 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 01:16:17 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: But seriously, folks... Tira, I know that things have been stressfull for you lately. And yes, we're friends. But really... just let it go for a bit. There's no use being so critical of Rathe & Rand for sparring, or implying things by putting words like active in quotes. (Rathe & Rand really -have- been active. I saw them IC & RPing just this past Friday night.) And if you're really PO'd at one or the other of them, then just stop posting or unsub or something. If it truly doesn't mattre, why respond? And even though I, too, am getting tired of all the whining, I'll go ahead an whine. I'm tired of the infighting -- which is why 9 times out of 10 I'm not subbed to *chat -- but I really, on a personal note, don't enjoy being caught up in battles between people I consider friends. So can't we all just take a chill pill (as we used to say in 3d grade) and simmer down a bit? And yes, I really DID see a fluffy bunny today. -Jess -------------------------- Message 7083 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 01:19:53 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Oh, and before (hopefully) I get jumped on the same 'let it go' logic applies to everyone equally in this situation. Myself included. So no griping about how I'm favoring the elf or anything of that nature. -------------------------- Message 7084 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 02:33:12 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: $ *sniffles* You always did like the elf better then me.. Here I was, a big strong powerful totally handsome fellow who never did any girl any harm.. Just studding about er standing about minding my own busness.. But did you get naked for me?? NO!! Now I wanna see some skin! Red. -------------------------- Message 7085 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 02:51:37 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: News Some good news and bad news.. I talked to my sister Dina tonight.. I'm not going to get looted of everything I own or need to go on living a comfortable life.. So that is the good news.. She's suppose to come down the middle of October and we'll go through things and sort them out... Anyhow.. About the same time I'm gonna have to discontinue my phone service until I get my own place.. So I'll be without internet for a little while.. I hope not long.. Anyhow, thats it.. Rob -------------------------- Message 7086 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 11:36:15 1999 EDT From: Surreality (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Uhmmmm... changes to the bayou might be a little longer in coming. Few health problems have cropped up which are even taking precedence over the business until they're resolved. -------------------------- Message 7088 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 14:32:34 1999 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) and *staff (#2560) Subject: Fire up the Barbie Okay, kiddies, presenting a new target for flames. Not that I care, I am wearing my asbestos rocket ship underwear. Anyway, here we go. Reset the damn place. And I mean everything and everyone. Yep. Forgive us father, for we have sinned. Please nuke us. Reset everyone, pull everything not replicator made (and I do MEAN everything). Kill off the DragonRiders as a class group (or kill them off all together) too tempting to bend the rules besides being very rules laden. 'Thou Shall Not Wink At Attractive Females With Your Dragon'. Etc. etc.) Then everyone will have something to do besides flaming/chatting and idling. We can all idle spar our way back up to the top based on the new and improved stat system! Yay. President of the Tabula Rasa Club Kyn -------------------------- Message 7089 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 14:34:26 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Fire up the Barbie You are just so silly.. -------------------------- Message 7090 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 14:37:38 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) I got a idea.. Reset back to a pre 1996 database where I was king and Mulder still hung out in the round room and things where cool.. Everyone else can start over.. *winks* -------------------------- Message 7091 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 15:10:40 1999 EDT From: Valentine (#24957) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Red, Red, Red... Hey Red, You make _me_ horny, Baaabyy. Love Valentine... -------------------------- Message 7092 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 17:13:20 1999 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Sterling on Geeks (Score:2, Interesting) by StefanJ on Monday September 27, @04:32PM EDT (#43) (User Info) I've always liked this rant, from Bruce Sterling's speech to the computer game developer's conference: "Follow your weird, ladies and gentlemen. Forget trying to pass for normal. Follow your geekdom. Embrace your nerditude." . "You may be a geek, you may have geek written all over you; you should aim to be one geek they'll never forget. Don't aim to be civilized. Don't hope that straight people will keep you on as some kind of pet. To hell with them; they put you here. You should fully realize what society has made of you and take a terrible revenge. Get weird. Get way weird. Get dangerously weird. Get sophisticatedly, thoroughly weird and don't do it halfway, put every ounce of horsepower you have behind it. Have the artistic *courage* to recognize your own significance in culture!" (from "The Wonderful Power of Storytelling" From the Computer Game Developers Conference, March 1991, San Jose CA) -------------------------- Message 7093 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 19:36:32 1999 EDT From: Yalindra (#13170) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: 7088 Uh, let's not. It wouldn't solve anything. (In fact, I think it would just provoke more whining, about everything being reset, etc.) -------------------------- Message 7094 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 27 22:40:20 1999 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: dream pod 9 I decided to play paper & pencil rpg again and came across two games from that company , two products caught my eyes: * Jovian Chronicles: sci-fi (2210 AD) in the solar system, with hard-science roots, anime-like artwork and mecha (comes with vehicles building and tactical games rule if you are into that kind of things) * Tribe 8: post-apocalyptic dark fantasy (in that order), better check their tour to get a clearer picture Reading the rulebook and the sourcebooks is most pleasant, and it's really dark. Makes world of darkness universe look like the one of the teletubbies. :-) Both games use Silhouette, DP9's game engine, it's really slick: simple, extensible/modular and fairly complete. Also, both games rulebooks and companions are chockful of info about how to be a good gamemaster/storyteller, create great scenarios/campaign, the pitfalls and tricks, etc. They really sum up perfectly what one could learn through a decade of GMing. Should be a mandatory reading for all GMs. And hell, all players too :) Cheers! Janus -------------------------- Message 7095 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 28 20:48:30 1999 EDT From: Shandryl (#24740) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ummm, is this real??? You swing your crowbar at Grave Dancer. The brutal strike causes its head to explode. Its blood soaks everything in the vicinity, mottled with bits of skull. You twist an indignant snarl at the corpse of Grave Dancer, then swing back your foot, sending it crashing through the lifeless shell. With a flash of brilliant light, the corpse of Grave Dancer collapses into a glittering collection of forty-one crystals. I havent seen anythign thi big before. Is there a rhyme or reason to the crytal something is worth? -------------------------- Message 7096 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 28 20:49:23 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Shandryl Answer: Grave digger killed someone absorbed their total_power belched out extra crystals -------------------------- Message 7097 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 28 21:52:26 1999 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Just one of those nifty things... The US Standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in England, and US railroads were built by English expatriates. Why did the English people build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did "they" use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they had used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing. Okay! Why did the wagons use that odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing the wagons would break on some of the old, long distance roads, because that's the spacing of the old wheel ruts. So who built these old rutted roads? The first long distance roads in Europe were built by Imperial Rome for the benefit of their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts? The initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagons, were first made by Roman war chariots. Since the chariots were made for or by Imperial Rome, they were all alike. In the matter of wheel spacing. And thus, we have the answer to the original question. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches derives from the original specification for an Imperial Roman army war chariot. Specs and Bureaucracies live forever. So, the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up with it, you may be exactly right. Because the Imperial Roman chariots were made to be just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses. Now the twist to the story.... There's an interesting extension of the story about railroad gauge and horses' behinds. When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on the launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are the solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at a factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs might have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line to the factory runs through a tunnel in the mountains. And the SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than a railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horses' behinds. So, a major design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined by the width of a horse's Ass! -------------------------- Message 7100 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 29 13:19:56 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Yep, Dagger's just asking for it. -------------------------- Message 7104 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 29 13:25:50 1999 EDT From: Menroth (#14123) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: uhh.. I second the motion! -------------------------- Message 7132 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 29 13:32:31 1999 EDT From: Valentine (#24957) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Hmmm... I believe that I'm sensing a cabalistic formulae buried within the rantings of this spamming cretin. Vale... -------------------------- Message 7133 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 29 13:38:27 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: An occult moment *holding her head in her hands* I see...I see... I see Dagger being jailed. -------------------------- Message 7134 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 29 13:41:27 1999 EDT From: Valentine (#24957) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yes...definitely Yes, I'm seeing a pattern: something Freudian, I'm almost certain. But it's deeper than that -- there is, in this strange need to spam, a cry for help... Yup...let us not turn our faces from this lost soul, but rather embrace him and make him feel loved again. Vale... -------------------------- Message 7135 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 29 13:42:58 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: last Eppy and I have already loved his dog...is that not enough? -------------------------- Message 7136 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 29 13:43:13 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) You embrace him, Val. I'm afraid I'll catch something. -------------------------- Message 7137 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 29 13:46:25 1999 EDT From: Valentine (#24957) To: *Chat (#5391) Hmmm...well, it was just a thought...I think I'll leave the embracing to others. Love Valentine... -------------------------- Message 7148 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 29 14:45:28 1999 EDT From: Menroth (#14123) To: *Chat (#5391) Its somewhere in texas...I think. -------------------------- Message 7149 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 29 14:45:57 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Real/Time Communications, Austin, TX. -------------------------- Message 7150 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 29 14:46:20 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Dagger I would advise everyone to @gag Dagger if you havent done it already. No reason for everyone to have to suffer through his tantrums. -------------------------- Message 7151 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 29 14:51:40 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Dagger Also, ingore his posts to any *list. You can check with @mail on *chat instead of @nn or whatever. Ignore him people. Children do these things for attention. -------------------------- Message 7152 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 29 14:51:58 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Geez, and you guys thought *I* was bad. -------------------------- Message 7154 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 30 15:05:59 1999 EDT From: Linus (#24942) To: *Chat (#5391) I bet you don't like penguins! -------------------------- Message 7155 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 30 15:06:21 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Dead penguins everywhere. -------------------------- Message 7156 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 30 16:09:51 1999 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Removed Dagger's spam and @newted him. @newted someone else, as well, for trying to fight spam with spam. It doesn't work. Don't do it. -------------------------- Message 7157 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 30 20:29:25 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: My rant for the day. I'm a tad irritate, so I thought I would share it with you all. Today I received a nice little package in the mail from Qwest, a long distant service. There was a phone card inside with 5 or 6 sheets of crap, explaining to me, in Spanish mind you, that they were so happy that I was a new customer. I never ordered this, my long distance is AT&T. So I call em, they leave me on hold for 15 minutes to cancel a product I never ordered while they play really shitty pop music. When someone finally answers, I asked "who signed me up", they told me a marketing outfit called Avianca. Now wait a minute, where the hell does a marketing company get the authorization to change my long distant carrier? Did I miss something, is my life no longer my own. Am I not capable of making my own decisions? I think they are just targeting minorities. Obviously they assumed by my sir name that I'm Spanish, but more likely Mexican. The Spanish community where I live is pretty poor, most are farmers or underpaid labors. It is so fucking obvious what they are doing. Oh..oh, and in the crap they sent, there was a special section just for international calls, how much they could save you. Which in fact was much more the AT&T charges. This kind of business strategy is bullshit, so you know what? Im forwarding Qwest, along with Avianca a copy of a little report Im sending off to the Better Business Bureau and my Congressman. I know this prolly doesn't interest most of you, but you should be aware. Just think of it as a MOO community service. :) -------------------------- Message 7158 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 30 21:24:12 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Rant for the day You go girl, them right wing fasist are always trying to stick it to us little guys!! Love ya Red -------------------------- Message 7159 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Oct 1 19:15:22 1999 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) MACHO MEDIA MESSAGES What researchers found in the study, Children Now said, was a chain of sex and violence associated with male characters, while behavior such as compromise and sharing was downplayed. For example: Three out of four males on television and in movies engaged in traditionally anti-social behavior including ridiculing, lying, aggression and defiance. Sports commentators consistently used the language of war, martial arts and weaponry to describe sports action. Traditionally masculine images of speed, danger and aggression were frequently used in commercials shown during sports programs boys watch. Minority characters in entertainment media were more often depicted as using sex to solve their problems, while white characters were more likely to use deception, dominance, or ridicule. Overall, while male characters were shown with a range of emotional behavior including fear, anger, grief and pain, they almost never cried and 38 percent of the boys polled said that sensitive was not an accurate description for male characters H -------------------------- Message 7160 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Oct 1 20:17:59 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: $ Social or not.. I like my lists and channels and I'd like things a bit more simplified so I can enjoy the world more.. Thanks.. -------------------------- Message 7161 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 01:25:32 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) So... How come no one has posted anything this evening??? -------------------------- Message 7162 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 04:45:09 1999 EDT From: Pounce (#24787) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Stuff. (Or STUFF IT!!!, whichever you prefer) I've been away for a while, and I'm absolutely APPALED at having to wade through 102 messages of *chat, every last one of which is abhorently violent, verbally abusive in one way or another, or just plain sick, or psychologically disturbed. (To the three or four posts that do not fall into this category, sorry, you are truly diamonds in the rough). So, I'd like to start out by saying, Merri, you are QUITE passive aggressive. And if that stuff were addressed at me, I would probably feel that drained feeling that made me sick for the last month and THEN I would probably make sure you knew I was upset. And hey, I'm doing the latter without even such provocation, because I care. So... I mean, seriously. You are not happy that no one RP's. You are not happy that the Slisssh pit is constantly occupied so you can go do something OTHER than RPing. You are not happy that people are pissed that you are constantly not happy and they are giving your crap right back to you. You are not happy that you can no longer say anything without being sniped... But... Would you PLEASE step back and ask yourself why that is? I mean, HEAVEN FORBID anyone break your dilusion that you are incapable of fault and tell you that you brought this all on yourself by constant veiled hostility to everyone around you on this MOO for I can't even remember how long. Honestly, if I can speak for anyone else other than myself, denoting the use of the personal group pronoun "we", and I can because I do play more than one character... We are tired of listening to you do nothing but criticize the way people play this MOO and indeed the MOO itself. Forgive me if I get a little verbally abusive here, but it probably needs to happen at some point. The MOO is just fine. Otherwise nobody would ever log on. As for RP, well, that may very well be dead, depending on who you ask, and what the MOO actually DOES, it does well for the people who ARE here. The people multiworld, powerboost and idle. But hey, that's their right. I see some newbies who blindly hack at attempts to RP, and I like it, and I will probably still RP with my select group of people who still do untill and unless this MOO is shut down at some point. And now, it's time to be nice again. You are quite welcome to RP with me or Tikiaido any time you see fit. Though you have displayed many times in the past that you find me, the player behind those two characters annoying, childish, and, at the very least at one time, thought that I was a problem child, and indeed, SOMEONE ELSE'S problem. The point is, I try. I RP. And yet, you're so busy complaining about other people who don't, or powerboosting your characters when I am on, or simply harbor such disdain for me that you don't even give me a second glance. This is not intended to be a giant Merri bash post. Through all this psychobabble, I'm actually trying to help you in illustrating what you have done that might be annoying or distasteful in a public forum and suggesting ways to help yourself. And now for something totally different. It disgusts and appals me that I find 102 messages on chat, of which about 20 are dedicated SOULLY to flaming Merri and her feeble attempts to pry the wolves from her, more than 50 are simply sick shit that I wouldn't reprint even on a sex talker LPMUD, and the rest I gave up on because I was tired of the bullshit. Seriously, folks, we should either make a line for *sex or maybe *sickcrap and keep it off of chat, beause anyone like me, who can't stand that kinda shit, might just miss something. Seriously. It's bullshit. It needs to be stopped. And I'm VERY glad that someone removed Dagger's spam before I got back so I didn't have to wade through 500+ bullshit messages. And Clayson... You actually posted something serious that doesn't completely defame the character of someone on this MOO! I'm quite prooud of you! *hugs Clayson* *refrains from hugging Merri because he doubts she'll let him after that* *refrains from group hug for simple self preservation* *gets bored and goes to bed* -------------------------- Message 7163 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 04:59:00 1999 EDT From: Pounce (#24787) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: My last Something just occured to me. If anyone is thinking of flaming me or criticizing me for my last post, give your finger muscles a well deserved rest because I won't respond, and I won't care. Constructive criticism, if there is anyone left on this MOO capable of such, is always appreciated, as is agreement with my thoughts. And anyone with a solution to the problems I have presented in the last part of the post would be VERY HIGHLY appreciated. But as I said, don't flame. I'm not in fifth grade anymore, and will not dignify any verbal abuse directed at me with any form of response. You were warned. -------------------------- Message 7164 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 05:49:03 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) Dear Pounce, Since you deemed fit to address the subject of myself in your post I need to clarify a few things with you. 1. I never "whined", "complained" or anything else that there was "no RP". I RP when *I* feel like it. Other then that I AM a power booster. Yes, I am a spar munkie and I don't lie about it. In fact, my original complaint had to do with something affecting my sparring/hunting. 2. There are MANY people on this MOO who login for the sole purpose of sparring/hunting/power boosting. If you don't like it, go somewhere else to play. 3. By the rules of the game NOONE is forced to RP. If I choose NOT to RP with someone THAT IS MY RIGHT. Read the game help files regarding RP. If I get my jollies through power boosting and not RPing with ANYONE, that is the way *I* enjoy the game and no one has the right to tell me I'm less then dirt because I'm a spar munkie. Ruminate on these things a moment. -------------------------- Message 7165 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 06:22:45 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Merri But you referred to myself and Rand as `active' -- a sarcastic term -- when you saw either of us sparring, or hunting. Your entire complaint, then, was that there were others like you here? -------------------------- Message 7166 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 06:31:01 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) Excuse me. What I said wasn't said in sarcasm. I have and had no complaint with you powerboosting. My only REAL complaint with you and/or Rand was that you didn't do ANYTHING, power boost OR RP, but sit on the pub channel and make nasty comments about anybody, everybody and everything. When I said you were active again, I meant it, and there was nothing judgemental about it. Don't read feelings into my words that aren't there. It leads to sarchasm :) -------------------------- Message 7167 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 06:39:40 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Arrgh I'd like to quote your original post, but I can't seem to find it. Was @rmmailed or something. Regardless, from memory, it was something along these lines: Now that Rand and Rathe are "active" again, there's nowhere for middlebies to hunt/spar, as the slisssh pit is taken up 24/7. I don't want to go to Ghostwheel plain because I'm afraid of the chim, and the graveyard is empty. I believe references to it being used as a "bank" were also made. Was your complaint essentially that since myself and Rand were down there (note: I was only down there for like 2 nights, and Rand went down for *one* (count'm): *one* hour, or less), and doing exactly what you were doing? Curious Rathe -------------------------- Message 7168 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 06:43:04 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) @read 7035 on *chat. That was my original post. -------------------------- Message 7169 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 06:44:53 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) Thing is, I never "complained" about you guys being active. I never said you were hogging the slisssh or anything else. I DID say that since you were active again it was adding to the general congestion in the pit because, at least for me, there was no where else to go. -------------------------- Message 7170 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 06:48:44 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) You really should be careful with your emphasis. Example: Since Merri is actively "playing" here on Ghostwheel, we really should get together and "RP" some time. Vs: Since Merri is actively playing here on Ghostwheel, we really should get together and RP some time. See the difference in mood and/or emphasis? One emplies that the immediate meaning conveyed by the word is, in fact, false; it usually denotes sarcasm. Ex 2: The method by which they put animals to sleep is humane. Vs: The method by which they put animals to "sleep" is "humane". Ex 2 Suggests that the method by which they put animals to sleep is, in fact, humane. The second suggests a note of sarcasm; of mocking both words. Putting them to "sleep" might point out that they aren't simply going to sleep, but in fact being killed. "Humane" suggests that, perhaps, this is not actually a humane practice. Ex 3: Boy, Merri sure is nice. vs: Boy, Merri sure is "nice". Perhaps my point has been made. In the future, instead of my usual responses, I will merely make reply posts suggesting how you might make your comments -- which, I am sure, are always 100% innocent and unoffensive -- more clear. :) Thank you for your time. -------------------------- Message 7171 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 06:57:53 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) You want to nitpick about words, Rathe. It's on the level of criticising the spelling in a post. The only reason I put active in quotes was because historically, ever since I joined this MOO, you have been inactive. If you want to read feelings into a post, go ahead. But don't rag me or jump MY ass because of YOUR interpretation. It's always been one of the problems of a text based medium like this that people will read more then is really there. The gods only know how many flame wars were started because somebody "read between the lines". And no, I DON'T mean that sarcastically because it has quotes around it. -------------------------- Message 7172 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 07:11:07 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) No, actually, that was quoting a phrase, "to read between the lines". I'm sorry our "conversation" had to end so soon, Tirafal. Perhaps tomorrow, when you get back from "work" we can have another "lovely" little chat like this. I "hope" we can talk again real soon! I really "love" speaking with you! And, uh, Tirafal, having been here for something like 3 years now, I don't you have much `historical' (heh) basis for that observation. Ask your husband how active I was. -------------------------- Message 7173 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 10:02:27 1999 EDT From: Jett (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yeah yeah, shoot me, I said I wasn't going to post further on this. >Ever since Eppy took the monsters out of the cem about the only place there is for me to go hunt is the underground. I had taken them out for a plot. My apologies that this "inconvienienced" you temporarily. >On the other hand, since the underground is used as a "bank" by the high statted characters, finding a time when it's not in use is almost impossible, The slisssh area can be used by several people at once. I know I've had alts down there hunting when two or more others are doing the same. None of us complained that we couldn't have the whole thing to ourselves. And if that statement wasn't meant as a cutting derogatory remark against the high statted players.... >especially now that Rathe and Rand are "active" again. What did you mean by "active" then? What was the purpose of putting quotes around the word to emphasize it? To me it looked like just a cheap shot at the two of them, inferring that neither were that active OR that you felt they wouldn't be active for long or that you were disgusted by them suddenly being active. Otherwise, I don't see why you bothered to emphasize the world at all in your original post. Given the past between the three of you, I don't think I'm wrong in coming to this conclusion, nor is anyone else who read your post. >Can someone PLEASE build an area that's halfway safe yet challenging for the mid level character? You know, instead of demanding, you could try to post constructively, such as saying something like the following: I've noticed that since Ep is using the cemetery for a plot that there isn't really a place for middle characters to hunt and spar. Could someone build a temporary area for those of us in the middle or point me out to a place I might not be aware of? That was just an example, but it was nice, polite, constructive and rather undemanding and relatively unselfish. -------------------------- Message 7174 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 11:41:45 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Thank you, Ep, for that erudite, succinct and humanistic line-by-line analysis of my post. I promise that next time I'll hold my mouth right too. -------------------------- Message 7175 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 11:44:01 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Now THAT, Rathe, is sarcasm. -------------------------- Message 7176 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 11:47:10 1999 EDT From: Jett (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Sadly, I expected such a response from you, Tirafal. You never can admit when you just might be wrong and far be it for you to attempt to be polite rather then snap in a reactionary fashion. -------------------------- Message 7177 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 12:05:54 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) I didn't exactly find your post to be polite either, Ep. Had you sent it to me privately I might have taken it a bit differently. But you had to post it to a public list. You say you had my best interests in mind and were trying to "teach" me how to write a post that would have been less offensive. What bullshit! The whole thing was designed to be a putdown. I post about a problem and I'm accused of whining. I post an apology and I'm accused of being passive aggressive. Since I can't win here perhaps I'll try a little honest hostility. -------------------------- Message 7178 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 12:13:07 1999 EDT From: Jett (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Autumn. While out walking to the store, I reembraced my days of leisurely pacing myself to enjoy the world around me. Since I graduated from college, I've gotten caught up in life's little traps, money, job, etc. I haven't had a nice walk like that in years. I think I'll do it more often now. It's a little chilly outside, but that was kinda nice, to feel it nipping at my face. Woke me up that's for sure. I feel rather invigorated now, this is truly my favorite time of the year. -------------------------- Message 7179 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 12:26:59 1999 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Oh yeah? Well I still hate you all you. -------------------------- Message 7180 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 12:35:51 1999 EDT From: Jett (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) And we hate you too, Sterno babee. -------------------------- Message 7181 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 12:36:45 1999 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Woohoo! -------------------------- Message 7182 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 14:23:51 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: $ I say.. Shoot Pounce for bringing back up old news.. The others, BEHAVE already.. Love ya.. Rob -------------------------- Message 7183 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 16:08:21 1999 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Someone. Anyone. I thought Old Navy was bad. But all I'm seeing now are GAP commercials with the vat-grown singing clones. Help me keel them. -------------------------- Message 7184 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 16:11:14 1999 EDT From: Jett (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) It's a communist left-wing satanic conspiracy to hypnotize us all, then they'll convince us that evolution is real and that the Earth is not 6000 years old. THE HORROR! -------------------------- Message 7185 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 16:24:41 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Gap MAD CLONE! -------------------------- Message 7186 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 17:07:38 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Eppy and Tirafal I just have one question, how the hell did you two women manage to live together? Anyway, on a happy note I bough some flannel lined jeans and it's just like wearing my pjs all day long ;) Happy Saturday! -------------------------- Message 7187 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 17:09:29 1999 EDT From: Jett (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) I love flannel lined jeans. Mmm, want a pair. -------------------------- Message 7188 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 17:24:01 1999 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Who wants to let Durandal know that Old Navy and Gap are owned by the same company. -------------------------- Message 7189 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 17:50:22 1999 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) The horror... the horror... -------------------------- Message 7190 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 18:17:26 1999 EDT From: Linus (#24942) To: *Chat (#5391) I don't wear pants. -------------------------- Message 7191 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 18:18:03 1999 EDT From: Jett (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: TMI. I didn't need to know that Linus doesn't wear pants. -------------------------- Message 7192 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 18:19:03 1999 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) I did. -------------------------- Message 7193 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 18:19:11 1999 EDT From: Linus (#24942) To: *Chat (#5391) I wear shorts,HAHAH! -------------------------- Message 7194 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 18:20:49 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) I'm not wearing any clothing, AT ALL, RIGHT NOW. -------------------------- Message 7195 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 18:26:31 1999 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Fwee I finally have ICQ. Gimme your number and I'll bug you about being on your list if you so desire. -------------------------- Message 7196 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 19:27:55 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: 7171 You know, I'm probably just beating a dead horse, Tira, but Rathe's comment -- and my frustration/anger with your earlier comments -- was directly addressing a key problem. Since you are an intelligent & well-read person, I would assume that you understand rules of grammar & inflection in writing. Putting a word (like 'active') in quotes -does indeed- imply sarcasm. I don't think anyone was reading in anything more than what you wrote -- and if you were ignorant (or innocent) of the implication your use of punctuation and grammatical conventions in your post, then please say so. Again, I'm not trying to flame or berate, but you're hyping out at Rathe as if he were an idiot who was trying to persecute you by putting words (or intonations) in your mouth, when he was simply being a good reader in the confines of the English language. Peace out, homies, Jess -------------------------- Message 7197 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 19:39:11 1999 EDT From: Camber (#22034) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ugh. You're all irritating. Someone @reycle *chat please. -------------------------- Message 7198 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 22:23:22 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: On an entirely different note. Looking for data on classic supernatural 'flaws'. Examples: Silver, holy water, water boiling when touched, unable to enter a house without permission, sunlight, unable to cross running water, makes animals freak out, crosses, powerless when exposed to 'the evil eye', etc. -------------------------- Message 7199 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Oct 2 23:38:21 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Also Pestilence, Famine, War, and Death.. references from sources other than the bible? War and Death are covered in a variety of different sources in literature, but what about Famine and Pestillence? Preferably, no references from comic books and such, kids ;P Looking for actual literature. And yes, I'm referring to those four wacky horsemen --------------------------