Return-Path: Received: from casper.realtime.net (casper.realtime.com [205.238.128.161]) by requiem.vv.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA17669 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:06:09 -0400 Received: from casper.realtime.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by casper.realtime.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05732 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:10:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199905131610.LAA05732@casper.realtime.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:10:23 -0400 From: "Quinn@GhostWheel" To: quinn@fazigu.org Subject: GhostWheel Message(s) 6367 - 6528 from *Chat (#5391) X-Mail-Agent: GhostWheel (casper.realtime.com 6969) X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message 6367 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 6 18:13:20 1999 EDT From: Nomar (#17488) To: *Chat (#5391) If anyone paged me anything in the last 20 minutes I didn't get it because my I got booted from my internet connection. -------------------------- Message 6368 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 7 09:02:37 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A new one :) Denali and I became grandparents yesterday when my daughter gave birth to a little girl. The kid is HUGE; 9lbs 14oz (around 4.5 kilo for you metric types). They're naming her Sydney Lynn. -------------------------- Message 6369 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 7 19:52:52 1999 EDT From: Ronin (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: me Me and my many alts are now going to a better place, if there is such a thing. I know all of you will be all to glad that I, the immortally annoying and much-hated Wes, is going, so I will not prolong the magic with a long letter. Goodbye all, you will not have to suffer my poor, broken soul. Say goodbye to Cyric, Eminem, Phelan, Ulfwerner, Supafly, and of course me, Ronin. I will never forget you guys...for a few minutes, anyhow. And Quinn, keep up the good work, at least _you_ satisfy others...bye. --Wes, or the fragile Luke -------------------------- Message 6370 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 9 02:15:17 1999 EDT From: Edison_Paul (#24410) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Welcome Everyone please welcome ME!! Just thought I'd pat myself on the shoulder.. I am looking for someone who is most excellent in descriptions to help me with my own and my messages on my objects such as clothing.. I would really appreciate and and also I think it would be a good way to become friends. Edison. -------------------------- Message 6371 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 9 14:44:17 1999 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: You know... we really need to prune out those bad eggs sometimes. Quite handsome for a 5000 year old vampire. He's survived everything from burnings to communism. Yet he is always in style, and great with the ladies CyberDeath is wearing a Gold Stud Earring. CyberDeath is wearing a Gold neck chain. CyberDeath is wearing a Nike Backpack. CyberDeath is wearing an Adidas shirt. CyberDeath is wearing a Gold watch. CyberDeath is wearing a FUBU Jeans. CyberDeath is wearing a 99' Air Jordans. -------------------------- Message 6372 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 9 15:15:20 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Dante's Maybe you should direct Cyberdeath to theme and help him do clothing messages :) -------------------------- Message 6373 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 10 16:53:02 1999 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Day 2 of the bad descriptions. Yes they can improve, uhh. Maybe. CyberDeath A member of the Yakshini, a group of powerful vampires who are on a quest to rule the mortls. Nothing can stop him, with Wrath and the Ultima weapon, he can take out mostly anything. Oh yeah, and ladys, he is really cute just in case youu are a little lonel. CyberDeath is wearing a Gold Stud Earring. CyberDeath is wearing a Gold neck chain. CyberDeath is wearing a Nike Backpack. CyberDeath is wearing an Adidas shirt. CyberDeath is wearing a Gold watch. CyberDeath is wearing a FUBU Jeans. CyberDeath's 99' Air Jordans is fastened. CyberDeath is wearing a 99' Air Jordans. -------------------------- Message 6374 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 10 21:16:10 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A Happy Moment. I gained five pounds! I'm now 127, 3 pounds from my goal of 130! Yay! -------------------------- Message 6375 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 11 04:05:07 1999 EDT From: Agent_Curtis (#24858) To: *Chat (#5391) and *storylines (#5236) Subject: A small TP I am looking for a consenting recomb who is willing to get into an RP with Agent Curtis. As he is a recomb hunter, you know what to expect from this. If you want any additional info on this, feel free to ask and I'll give you some extra info. --Curt -------------------------- Message 6376 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 11 11:17:58 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: empathy I thought this was taken out of the game as an uncoded skill? -------------------------- Message 6377 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 11 12:00:50 1999 EDT From: Figura (#16551) To: *Chat (#5391) Cool, more points for magic now. -------------------------- Message 6378 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 11 12:05:50 1999 EDT From: Denali (#18459) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Clayson's last. At the time it was 'removed', two players were grandfathered in under the old description of Empathy, as long as the target PC agreed. All other players who wished to take empathy up can only do so as a [RP] extension, and only by reading body language and basically the underlying mood of what people say. This decision was came to roughly two years ago, so one could understand why one would forget the full implication of change. Denali -------------------------- Message 6379 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 11 12:34:37 1999 EDT From: Figura (#16551) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Hi. I'm going to take a little moment to bitch now. I'm about sick of the bullshit. No, not about sick of it, I am sick of it. Enough already. Get the hell over it. This character's changes, which are names and descs (woo...) have all been posted either publicly to *tps or privately to *gm-plots. It's always been the same character. It's always been posted about. People know through posts and through being told. Funny, but I thought once upon a time that it was the right of a player or a GM to create a plot and get it passed by the staff and Quinn without having to make public announcements to the MOO about every OOC detail. THAT'S WHAT A PLOT IS. YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT ICLY WHAT IS GOING ON. NOT EVERYTHING IS A BLOODY CONSPIRACY TO SCREW EVERYONE ONLINE. Just so everyone has their stories straight: Figura is not an NPC, nor does Figura have set stats. Yes, a GM plays the character. That GM cannot in any way set the stats of a PC, the code wouldn't allow it even -if- said GM wanted to do it. No, there's no `talking someone else into it', either. Seraph = Hawke = Figura. The story behind the name changes: Seraph got angry that people treated her like a kid. She wasn't quite right in the head anyway, so she disguised herself via illusion as Hawke. She decided she was tired of the illusion, and angry that she needed it at all. She tried to remove it, but removing the spell backlashed and seriously altered her, screwing her up completely and leaving her more or less an it without much of a sense of identity. Plot over, no need to find out IC. That's all there is to it, fun fun, surprise surprise. It's always been the same character. Always. She looks different, yes. Goes under a different name, yes. Same character. Disguise. Posted about, and approved disguise. And you might change your name, too, if you suddenly lost all sense of who you were because of a horribly disfiguring accident. Legion was an NPC. Legion was not the same obj# as Seraph/Hawke/Figura. Legion was out in the IC world twice for a longer plot involving the roaming zombies in N'Orleans. Yes, -that's- where they came from. No need to find that out ICly either, now. Legion is gone now. Legion has been rerolled, and is now again a PC, unable to have its stats set. Legion = NPC, approved, now gone. Temporary as promised. Seraph/Hawke/Figura = PC, sparred and hunted for the stats it has. After not having hunted in months, it still has the #1 total_kills on the MOO. That's where the atts came from. I'm posting this because, flat out, I'm deeply sick of accusations that this character is a walking cheat. I'd like anyone and everyone screwed over/killed/looted/RPed over by this character to please raise their hands. No one? Thought so. Yes, I agree that a single cheat ends up screwing -everyone- on the MOO. This character ain't one of 'em, so get over it. Every time it buys an item, someone claims I gave it to the character through my GM. Every time someone looks at its stats, someone screams `@set!'. Every time an approved name change takes place, there's screaming. Every time it changes its appearance, there's screaming. Now, the uncoded skills. Fine. Enjoy. It's listed as [RP] now. I'm content. It goes hand in hand with psychology, something the character has a great deal of experience with. And, like I said before, whee, more points to put into magic. In short... nothing this character does is meant to screw over the MOO. Get over it, because I'm sick and bloody tired of hearing wailing occur any time it spars. -------------------------- Message 6380 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 11 14:35:22 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Darling Clayson, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. -------------------------- Message 6381 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 11 15:14:02 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: hmmm I only asked a simple question :( -------------------------- Message 6382 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 11 16:42:38 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Statistics for the hell of it. Of the Beastmasters I have made within the last six months or so (all of whom have $AHaBs that are kids of the generic four legged beast or the generic bird beast), this is what I have so far. falcons: 3. kestrel: 1 german shepards: 2 bears: 1 panthers: 3. wolves: 1 tigers: 1 This doesn't include early beastmasters, whose puppets aren't under the new parents. If you have a beast and have been in the class for a long time, please contact me so I may chown the animal over to the parent, which allows for 2 points of Willpower to be lost if the beast dies. Thanks! -------------------------- Message 6383 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 11 17:22:55 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Beastmasters. Get in touch with me. I've created a Beastmaster FO and I will soon have a Beastmaster only Mailing list. If you want to be included on these, let me know. -------------------------- Message 6384 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 11 18:52:50 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Ok kiddies, it's high time I updated the Ghostwheel Weekly Journal! If you have IC rumors (IC only please, jokes are cute and all but I can't print them if they're not IC) about yourself or other _consenting_ individuals, send em my way -------------------------- Message 6385 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Apr 12 21:37:38 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *rp (#22597) and *Chat (#5391) Subject: Beastmasters. I'm back in the saddle again as the Beastmaster GM. If anyone wishes to join the class, there only pre-requisites are that you not be a Mage, DragonRider or Recomb. (Folks without any current Profession or Race will be given first pick and preferrence.) Send all requests to *requests. Please detail the beast you want (mythological creatures and mutated creatures will be put to close scrutiny, anything out of wack will be turned down) and write up a paragraph or two in your .plan as to how you came across the beast. (I don't require novels either, so please keep it brief, ;) I'll try to get to each request as soon as possible. And until the class is overflowing, I won't be restricting entrance. So get your beast today! P'nine -------------------------- Message 6386 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 01:09:12 1999 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *chat's not exactly *tradegy, but... Okay, we've all had our bad days. Some of you may remember Curtis arguing on chat, being offensive, etc, and eventually becoming a convict. The following, I don't think, is aimed at _sympathy_ for changing his status. Perhaps, IMO, it's aimed at _forgiveness_? Anyway, I'm not "taking sides" or shit like that. ;) Just being the humble messanger here... Mr Curtis pages, "Meanwhile, my parents won't deal with my depression or obesity. They keep saying they'll get me into a gym; they never call any places. They say they want to help my depression, but after I got rid of a gay counselor, they won't call anybody else. I'm incredibly tired of everything. And yes, the computer used to be myfriend. But everybody shits on me here, so I have no place to run. (and to hide...which I like--random korn insert.) Everyday I want to where my slayer shirt. I'm tired of everything. I'm tired of stupid people, I'm tired of screaming children. I'm tired of school. There's no point. I'm tired of life. Nobody wants to reach out to me. Nobody could feel as isolated and alone as I do...I believe there's really no point to anything anymore. I have no escape, no release. I am practically dead... Nobody cares for me, my own parents hate me, I have like three good friends, I can't relate. I am a typical suicide case." Mr Curtis pages, "Why don't they have a tradgedy list here? I would have you send that last page to a list. In fact, why don't you send it to *chat? Maybe people will see me. But people don't want to identify." -------------------------- Message 6387 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 01:28:06 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) I can only repeat what my own daughter told me at the very small age of 8 years old. "Mommy, to get a friend, you have to be a friend." Forgiveness can be given. Apologies can be rendered and accepted. But don't expect people not to be wary in the future. To quote another family member, my father told me, "Catch me once, shame on you. Catch me twice, shame on me." Yeah, I come from a pretty neat family. :) Point is, I put a lot of effort into treating Curtis fairly and kindly like I would any other new player. I sparred with him for over an hour, even gave him crystal to purchase a whip and throwing dagger. People treated me kindly when I came here. Even gave me crystal to get me started. I was passing on the favors done for me. I was "being a friend". The verbal abuse I saw spewing out of Curtis on the channel last night was hurtful. I felt betrayed. I can forgive him, if that's what he's asking for. But to be MY friend, I'm going to have to see some effort out of him to be one himself. -------------------------- Message 6388 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 01:46:47 1999 EDT From: Pounce (#24787) To: *Chat (#5391) Well, you got my attention something pretty fierce. I tell ya, I've found that MOO ppl are very quick to judge. It's that way with MUX and MUSH too.... You're either a "good roleplayer" or a "twink" or the ever dreadful "powergamer", "rules stickler" or "whiney baby" all of which get you ousted out of everything. It's like a clique, or social group. You're either "hip" and "cool" or you're a "loser".... and I'll tell you something, I can relate alot with what you're saying. And as far as people treating you badly on this game, I get alot of that too. Disagree with the rules and you're sharkfood. Try to use the rules against someone who's being abusive and youre a whiney little bitch. I guess there's no real way to please everybody, so I've gotten to the point where I just do my own thing and whoever likes what I'm doing, come on and have some fun RPing with me, and whoever doesn't can kiss my ass. Although I guess you MUST listen if a GM calls you on something..... If you try not to make too many waves at first untill you've established a couple of friends, you should be fine.... course what do I know? I've been called "social outcast" more times than I can count by more people than I care to count either. I don't pretend to know what was said, and I don't pretend to have any idea who it offended or what happened as a result, but... a piece of advice: Letting RL stress and problems cause emotional outbursts online is a sure way to lose your cyberfriends.... They've got no idea that your homework's got you down cuz there's just too much and the cat's being annoying on the keyboard and the dog just bit you and your whole life seems like it sux.... They're not telepathic.... (or at least I'd REALLY have to hope not.... *grin*) But as far as no one who cares, that last really got my attention. BASICALLY, I consider just about everybody who I haven't been in a fist fight with or who hasn't tormented me relentlessly to be capable and worthy of friendship. I would be willing to try to understand you if you'd be willing to understand me in return, my friend. -------------------------- Message 6389 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 01:55:31 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Check this out :) A site (sight ;) for the ladies (and gay men ;) on the MOO. http://www.fortunecity.com/bally/tallow/51/index.html -------------------------- Message 6390 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 06:59:20 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Responsibility. The way I judge, Pounce and Curtis, is based on the actions I view. If you don't want me to judge either of you as rude, cruel, uppity, or condescending, then don't act rude, cruel, uppity, or condescending towards other people. Perhaps it's perceptions that are at fault here. You percieve yourself as not acting in the manner everyone else percieves you as acting in. A Catch-22, a glitch, a miscommunication. However, trying to pass off your actions with excuses... that's not going to help your case either, at least not with me. I grew up in a family where you accept what you did, apologize for it and move on. You don't give pitiful excuses and you don't expect anyone to listen to those pitiful excuses. Extremely taciturn, sure. But, I was raised by a man 100% German in Ethic origin. Kinda interesting how that influences you. -------------------------- Message 6391 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 07:03:43 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Oh yes, addendum. Pounce, have you ever considered that being a 'social outcast' might be your own fault? You seem just as quick to judge people as you claim people are quick to judge you. From the minimal experience I had with you, I'd say you're looking for a fight and a reason to be angry. This is not to say you're always like this, but it is the first impression you gave me and first impressions are hard, but not impossible, to get rid of. (Ask Akeashar and Rathe, I thought they were little shits now I love both of them as my pookies.) -------------------------- Message 6392 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 07:59:23 1999 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Two bits... Well. Here's my... uhmm... two bits on everything. I tend to be idle -alot-. I keep my connection open in the MOO window whether I'm actually sitting here or not. When I am here, I'll talk to anyone who doesn't deliberately try to start shit with me. (ex. `Hey Karma, abused your bit lately?', `Oh, it's the bitch again...', etc.) I'm a social creature, but I try to be... well... as civil a social creature as possible. Nobody's life is ideal. Yeah, that sounds like cop-out unsympathetic BS, but it's just the truth. First off, I'm short. Not just short, but -really- short. 5ft even kinda short. Always been this way. I caught serious hell for it for ages, to the point of getting permanent spinal damage from some of the `funny kids in school' beating constantly on my back, and once, no joke, jumping up and down on it. I think I was about 6 at the time. At 26, I have the spinal development of a child. Why'd it happen? Because I was smaller, and easy to beat the ever living fuck out of. If I asked someone to intervene, I was told, and I quote, `Turn the other cheek, like Jesus,' end quote. I can say for certain that that's complete and total BS. (I would have liked to have seen the same teacher advise the aggressors `Do unto others... ', but it never happened.) If I complained about being bruised purple on a daily basis, I'd be the one in trouble. Not the people who did it. Why? Cause people didn't like the boat rocked. 20 years later, I'm still short. I'm also (as everyone on the MOO knows) rather heavy. Now, instead of being beaten blue for being short, it's simply charming comments from strangers that I've never even looked at before about my weight. People, as a rule, are assholes. I can't say that it's easy for me to just say to myself, `Oh, he/she's just an asshole, I'll ignore it,' either. It's not. I never did anything to them, right? Sadly, the world isn't going to change -- at least likely not for the better. To be blunt: The petty BS is annoying as fuck, mostly because it -is- so damned petty. I've been in the position of `odd man out' more times than I can count. Yeah, people may say `Oh, but she's part of the GW clique!' here, but `here' isn't the whole world. Offline, I have a few very close friends. They're scattered all over the country now, since college. It's a traditional area here, I don't exactly `fit in'. GW is a mini-community. There are lots of them, and each one has its own unique dynamic and social structure. Overall, I think that folks here are pretty mellow. (Ok, I'm not mellow -- everyone knows that. Hopefully I'm an exception.) People here judge each other on the way we act towards each other, or how we present ourselves. General opinion of the Karma Chick: Paranoid, vaguely amusing once in a great while, irritatingly loyal, nosy, bitchy, strange, stupid, spammy -- the list goes on, and it depends on who you ask. Thing is, people on the MOO only know what I show them about me. Karc enjoys tormenting me about my weight, yeah -- but I'm the one who has pics up. Of course, there are people who don't care about that, either. Red teases me about my snoring once in a while, other people about the fact that I'm a walking armrest *grin* but the people who bother to -talk- to me usually figure out what I'm about. I lose my temper -alot- here. ALOT. It's another thing people see. Because of it, some people think I must be patently psychotic, which, who knows, I could indeed be. If that's all those people want to see, that's the way they're going to view me. They can only go by what they know, for better or worse. Lucky for me, a few people took the time to get to know me. An RL friend introduced me to this place, and introduced me to a few people he knew. I ran into Ed, ages ago, and he introduced me to a few more. When I came to the MOO almost 3 years ago (gods, that long???) I was a mess. A real mess. I was going through some real nightmares in the real world, and I'd have to leave it to the folks here to tell you how I was, since to this day I haven't the faintest idea how they put up with me. Guys? A sincere thanks here. It's long overdue and it's something that has to be said. Suffice to say, people here tend to be a rather forgiving lot so long as you can own up to mistakes. Honest, everybody makes 'em. There's no pride lost in admitting them if you realize you've made one. I've done it. The assholes may use them against you endlessly, true, but then... who really wants assholes for friends, anyway? -me. -------------------------- Message 6393 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 10:06:15 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: the above Curtis, if you are overweight, go on a diet. Go to your school councilor (sp?) and let them know your need help with your depression. It's easy, it's your life, take care of it. Let's stop the pathetic posts about real life and talk about something interesting, like the game? -------------------------- Message 6394 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 10:08:10 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) My, Clayson, your sensitivity and caring brings a tear to my eye. -------------------------- Message 6395 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 10:09:09 1999 EDT From: Camber (#22034) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Heh. And I won't even bother telling you what it brings me. -------------------------- Message 6396 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 10:09:16 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Clayson's last... Real life is interesting. What do you think the most important aspect of the game [that being the chars] i s based on anyway? It doesn't just well up out of our brains like magic. -------------------------- Message 6397 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 10:22:24 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Curtis I'm kinda upset at this string of posts.. Depression is a major ilness, it isn't a choice.. Responsiblity.. Curtis is a kid who is trying to reach out, he isn't a old lady or married with children.. He might not have the support group that he needs in his life to get help.. By asking here he might of felt that he could trust someone to help or just to have a friend to talk to about it.. But what happened?? I had to call to get a psyciotrist (sp) the other day and I basicly had to tell them I had the razorblade to my wrist just to get attention.. The age long stigma that depression is just a weakness has got to go.. It is just as much of a sickness as cancer.. How come in this world we will stop to help a person in a auto accident mainly because we wanna see gorr and be heros but we laugh at a person who can't seem to fit in ?? Anyhow.. Curtis is a good kid.. I really hope he can get help and I wish there was something I could do.. I know where he is coming from.. Lucky I'm a old man who knows how to scream.. R. -------------------------- Message 6398 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 10:32:33 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Red, I am the -last- person here who needed to be told any of that. Coincidentally, I am the person here who pissed Curtis off the most, I think, and who was reduced in his eyes to 'bitch', and other eben less kind names, because I told him to ease up a bit with his anger at Kzin for the PK that seems to have occured. While it's true that I was a bit off my own rocker the other day, and agged him on a bit, I was not (in my mind - and in that of many others, and I'm sure that more than just my 'friends' might back me up here) overly cruel. I have no idea what is going on in Curt's life. Conversely, he has no idea what is going on in mine. Although I try my best to be a sunny person 'round here, even the best of us has a bad day, and I have a temper which occasionally escapes my control -- also, my life is not a big sprawling green land filled wit fluffy pink bunnies and rainbows, anymore than yours is, or Curtis' is, or -anyone's- is. But I'm not going to sit here and give you my sob story because half of you don't even know me. I'm sorry if I made Curtis angry. I'm also sorry if I hurt his feelings. However, until he started basically flaming me on channel, I did not say anything which was out of line for me to say. The crux of my argument was 'You got PKd. We all get Pkd, it's part of the game. If you feel you have a legit complaint, lodge it with a GM or with Quinn. Otherwise, don't occupy the channel space with complaining about it.' I don't think that's overly harsh. And it's got NOTHING to do with Curt personally (altho, addmittedly, I did get frustrated later and call him a whiner). So please, Red, I love you, but refrain from passing judgement on us 'awful' people who were 'bashing' Curtis. If he had come to me needing help, it would have been one thing. But you can't call people really nasty names, and -then- complain about your life and expect people to have pity on your poor soul and take you under their wing. If I remember correctly, Curtis himself said that PKing people because your char had a past history of abuse and neglect was a 'lame' character concept. I fail to see the difference here truth be told, and if that makes me heartless, well then.. I guess a lot of you were wrong about me. :P But one thing I definitely am is cynical, so I'll shut up now and go back to my regularly scehduled academic hell for the week. Peace out & stuff. -------------------------- Message 6399 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 10:46:56 1999 EDT From: Gut (#24858) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: thanks alot all you people Yeah, maybe Red Fang, but I know the rest of you are true assholes now. I'm not about to share anything else about my life, because you all will think its some crutch to get me out of trouble. Well, simply put, GW used to be an escape. My life sucked, I couldn't deal with it. So I hid my pain by coming here and trying to be different characters with different concepts and attitudes. I have no excuse to my spouting off the other day, and of course the only logical reason could be what I'm going through, but, hey, nobody wants to know about _that_, right? I'm terribly sorry that none of you could even look twice at the fact that I'm a fucked up abused little kid, who's gonna grow up to probably kill your children. That's not my fault. It's pure psychology, and people can cope with that fact, so they have to act like its under my control. Conclusively, if you're going to label me, don't label me 'uncontrollable asshole', just label me 'unstable/unwanted kid'. Why did I even bother to come back? Because I love this place. I used to love most of the people here. Now there's, what, like 4 people I can talk to. It's nobody's fault but my own, but I really can't figure out anything else that started me off, except me being incredibly defensive about weight, since 7, so I have become quite easily prevoked. But I'll stop complaining about something I can't control on *chat, and stop infesting your *chat list for the while. Thank you Red, DragonBabe, and Mikaera for understanding. -------------------------- Message 6400 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 14:06:54 1999 EDT From: Tarla (#18104) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: RE: 6393 And to think I had actually started thinking Clayson might be a human being under all that bitchiness. Frankly Clayson, stuff a sock in it. For alot of people "go on a diet" is not a valid solution, because it doesnt work. For whatever reason, it just doesnt. I've been on every diet under the sun, doctor supercvised diets, low fat diets, low protien diets, low carb diets, grapefruit diets, rice diets, yogurt diets, calorie counting diets, liquid diets, you name it I have probably done it. I still weigh in at about 300 pounds. Happy happy joy joy. My weight doesnt bother me, my health does. I have severe back, knee and hip problems and i can't lift my 2 year old son most days. Doctors cant seem to figure out what is wrong, and are reluctant to do anything as drastic as surgery. So i suffer and I suffer through the nasty little remarks from strangers as well. By the same token, in my experience most school counselors dont give a rats ass about the kids they are purportedly there to help... I had a good friend in high school commit suicide after the guidance counselor ignored her reports of being sexually abused by both her father and her stepfather. When I was in 8th grade and my mother was fighting to get my grades fixed after my idiot teacher failed me and falsely accused me of plagerism, the pricipal had the audacity to tell my mother "we dont have time to read the kids files". There are many other similar stories. Sadly, most school officials dont give a shit and are only there so they can have thier summers off. There are a few who care, but finding them is like findingf a needle in a haystack. As for curtis and his problems, I wish I knew what to tell him. I can empathize with what he's going through, and if it helps at all 9which it probably wont) he isnt alone in what he is experiencing. The nightmare story of my childhood is one I dont particularly wish to share on this list or this moo, but I survived it and he can too if he really wants to. As for you Clayson, I remember a while ago reading some chat posts from you about YOUR lousy personal life, none of which i think needs to be dredged up again now. So, in short, if you dont want to read it, dont read it, but shut the fuck up about not wanting to read it. @unsubscribe *chat works you know. And keep your nasty remarks to yourself. I pity your children if that's the way you talk to THEM. -------------------------- Message 6401 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 14:47:54 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Pounce It's not very difficult to be 'cool' online, buddy. Pick up a copy of Reader Rabbit, and don't act like an asshole. You got it made. Rat -------------------------- Message 6402 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 15:50:26 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Last 1000 or so posts... Mik, I agree.. Ylaerin, you are a sweetheart, and I doubt you were outta line. Red, I also agree that depression is a very real sickness, however none of us can do anything about it...Moral support only goes so far, and if the kid doesn't go and actively seek help in the REAL WORLD, he isn't going to get it. Gut(Whatever yer name is), it sucks being having depression, I should know. It sucks being overweight, I was overweight as a kid. But you have to realize that most people who get online do NOT come here to listen to other peoples problems...They come here to either: get away from thier own problems, or to have FUN. And listening to other people go on and on about thier shitty lives IRL, doesn't help them do that. I have no idea who you are, nor do I know anything about this whole pissing contest that has been going on, other then what i've read in *chat. But from what I see, you do need help, and not from people online, you need help from people in the real world. Now back to your regularrly scheduled bitchfest. -------------------------- Message 6403 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 16:21:08 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Good God People, what the hell is wrong with you? I don't understand why you people insist on posting about your real life. You know I'm going to have to call my sister, have her come read it so we can roll on the ground and laugh till we wet our pants. I have no fucking clue why I even come here anymore, Oh my GOD, I am so frightened now. This is not normal. I'm really starting to think some of you people are insane. I'm sorry, this is just much to odd for me. Tarla, dear...don't worry about my children, they are happy campers. I just hope you don't sit on yours. Oh man, I know I'm in trouble now, but life is good. God, damn.I'm mortified. I got to say buh bye now, I can't play with the freaks any longer. Life is way to short. -------------------------- Message 6404 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 17:21:21 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Clayson So long and good riddance, then. Have fun wetting your pants. Rest safe in the knowledge that you are, potentially, the most clever, well adjusted, healthy, kind, and cool person on the planet. @unsubcribe to *chat or logout or -something- because at this moment I want to hear you even LESS than you want to hear me, and yes, that's possible. -------------------------- Message 6405 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 17:26:11 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *sigh* Look, depression is a serious illness, I agree Red. I myself have suffered from it in the past. I, however, was able to get help because I reached out and got it. I have my own problems right now. My grandmother is dying, slowly, day by day and it's killing me to watch it. I lament about it sometimes here and people are very supportive. However, I don't lash out at undeserving people for it. Curtis, Gut, whomever you are, seek help. I may not agree with Clayson's immediate harshness, however, if you want to get help, which it seems you do, then get it. Talk to a school counselor, try a helpline (check the phone book and see if they have one, normally their 1-800 numbers and are no charge to you), or search the web even! I did so last night and managed to find chat rooms and web pages dedicated to helping people overcome depression and other psychological ailments. There are things you can do, and if no one around you irl is willing to help you, then you have to take the bull by the horns and do it yourself. It won't be easy, it wasn't for me, but there is a light at the end of a tunnel that's not a train. -------------------------- Message 6406 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 17:30:29 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Clayson. I honestly feel sorry for you. It's obvious that your life is full of sorrow, and you can't quite stop drinking. Alcoholism is a terrible disease, and since you've logged in drunk recently, it's clear that it's a disease that you can't quite shake. Clayson, get help. Please, for your own sake and the sake of your family. -------------------------- Message 6407 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 17:35:05 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *cough* Change of subject I just bought a Rubics Cube. Only $12. Much better than flaming on *chat. -------------------------- Message 6408 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 17:35:36 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Rubics Cube, how 80s! I haven't seen on in ages. -------------------------- Message 6409 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 17:42:23 1999 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Cube play it on line... http://konark.ncst.ernet.in/~sudhin/rubicks/cube.html -------------------------- Message 6410 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 17:42:59 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *twitch* After I spend $12. Doh. -------------------------- Message 6411 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 19:24:31 1999 EDT From: Pounce (#24787) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Well, not to beat a dead subject, but.... Sorry, folks, I'm sure yer prolly DEAD TIRED of hearing about this, but.... I really haven't been here this morning, or I prolly would have responded to this when I was 2 posts late rather than 20, so.... The things I've been hearing on this board are appalling. I really do hope I didn't stir up this shitslinging festival..... Though I'd be inclined to think that at least most of it is a result of whatever happened with Curtis/Gut/Whoever.... Firstly, I'd like to openly wonder why Merri and Clayson have to fight over public boards whenever anything contraversial comes up.... Seriously, I think they argue just because they hate eachother... Or at least it seems so from my admittedly distanced perspective. Secondly, I have to agree with Red. Shit, ppl have bad days, or in some ppl's case, bad weeks, months, years, even decades/lifetimes... But also, I think that one shouldn't raze someone public'ly and then come crawling back asking for moral support (or anything for that matter....). If yer gonna tell someone off, make sure you're sure you truly want them away/off or gone or not to bother you anymore. And I don't know how alcoholism got into the mix, but I do KIND OF agree with Clayson that RL should be kept off the internet.... I mean... Who was it that said we come here as an escape and not to listen to other ppl's problems? In a logical sense, I'd have to say that I've had a shit fit or two, and had my bad days, and from that, I've made an active effort to learn to control myself, and not let my fingers fly into a rage when something happens here that I don't like.... Acting/speaking before thinking is a sure way to lose friends, especially when insults are loosed. On an illogical note, Clayson's leaving? Bah. She's been nice to me personally, and I don't pretend to know all the gorey details that've happened to make some ppl hate her, but she seemed actually pleasant to me since I first met her ICly as another character. Makes me wonder. Maybe she's just mean to ppl who're mean to her? Just a thought, people. Sorry if I've bothered you all. -The Cat -------------------------- Message 6412 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 19:26:44 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: My point. I suppose my last post was cryptic. However, Clayson has done exactly what she is now decrying as lame of other people. I have heard and read her rl travesties over public channels and over *Chat and other public boards on GW. So therefore, I say the following: Pot, Kettle, Black. Shut up. That is all. -------------------------- Message 6413 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 22:43:09 1999 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: depression, stuff, and all I'm surprised Rathe has not said it already: people suck and they should die. (They will eventually after some time.) On a more serious note, I'm not sure *chat is the best place to comiserate about ones life. Most people have problems in their life to a degree or another and I think most of us come here to have fun, hang out with pals, etc. If you have problems, talk with your pals; if you dump it on *chat, well then bear with the aftermath (but really, I wish people abstained.) Just my $0.02, Janus -------------------------- Message 6414 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 22:49:42 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) People suck and they should die. -------------------------- Message 6415 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 14 22:50:17 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Go visit my web page for inspirational reading. I think most of it was done when I was last in a self-pitying depressive slouch. -------------------------- Message 6416 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 15 00:36:58 1999 EDT From: Karcass (#6537) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: naxos the perv took me when i was knocked out, please help, hes gonna do dirty things to me -------------------------- Message 6417 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 15 00:38:01 1999 EDT From: Luke (#24862) To: *Chat (#5391) maybe you shouldn't kill me with no reason, asslicker -------------------------- Message 6418 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 15 00:39:17 1999 EDT From: Karcass (#6537) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: QOOC Naxos walks in from the north. Naxos looks Rand up and down. Rand licks his lips. Naxos puts on his cowboy hat. Rand leaves to the south. Naxos leaves to the south. {30 seconds pass} Naxos and Rand arrive smoking cigarettes. -------------------------- Message 6419 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 15 00:40:01 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *laughs!* Oh, that was quite nice fiction Karc, now: Grow up. -------------------------- Message 6420 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 15 01:26:10 1999 EDT From: Karcass (#6537) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: EXTRA EXTRA! A newspaper, made of, well, latex. ~*GhostWheel Geekly Journal*~ (All the news worth printing and some that's not.) May 1st, 2644 TODAY'S HEADLINE: Rathe is gay! Rumors of the great Adept Rathe's "life style" seem to be greatly accurate. The formerly straight mage has risen again to terrify the Earth. So far he has made no claims towards Naxos, nor has he been spotted doing any of his former whores. The world already knows exactly what he's got in mind, and its not gonna be pretty. Rumor Hazzit: Ghastly moans from a newly made tower in N'Orleans every morning, and the cacophony seem to last about thirty seconds. Residents are excited, for everyone knows who, or what, is making these strange noises: Rathe! Rumours from Wood's Hole: Topless, and bottomless dockworkers report seeing a seaslut offshore. No word from the Submariners as to the validity of this. Then theres a rumour that Naxos, rump ranger of the submariners has returned to the Undersea, apparently seeking yet another intimate conquest of another dockworker. Labourers beware! Devon has been seen in a state of perpetual sexual confusion for the past 3 years, rumour has it that Rand and Oberon suck, and are having a hot and steamy affair with one another. Which explains why Devon isn't getting any, and why Rand, was made into the Knight of the Brown Eye. Rathe has been collecting a harem of underage boys, which he currently has locked in his basement. Uhh, I'll stay away from this one. An Army of fudge packers, led by the lizard known only as Tinky Winky has been sweeping through San Fransico. Even the straighest recombs have fell under it's sway and leaving only swollen assed recombs in their path. Recombs beware, this guy's jam packed with homosexuality! One victim of Skarr already is Durandal, who's been taken away for reconditioning to correct that habit of dropping the soap. It seems Skarr is one dirty dog! In other news: The following people are gay: Moonheart Rand Tadewi Luke (and pooch) (You finish reading.) -------------------------- Message 6421 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 15 02:02:33 1999 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Tie Fighter Hey, does anyone know where I can possibly find the security codes to TIE fighter? kinda hard to play it without any codes--if ya can point me to a link, just drop me a page or moomail. thanks! :) Ake -------------------------- Message 6422 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 15 11:46:26 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Apologies I'm sorry. It was Rubiks, not Rubics. -------------------------- Message 6423 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 15 12:38:39 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Don't let it happen again. -------------------------- Message 6424 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 15 18:46:45 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Out of curiosity Why oh why is Karcass so fucking fascinated with me? :P Rathe, going back to @hiding. -------------------------- Message 6425 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 15 22:08:25 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yea, fuck you. Yes Eppy, I be a drunk. So, what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? It has nothing to do with the game, and fuck you. Even thou I might post shit, I have been sober for 2 years. So put that in your panties and smoke it. Being a drunk does not make me stupid, nor does it make me a bad mother. I have been to counseling, along with the whole fam damly. After one session Mister doctor told us (me and family) we were the most normal people he had that walked through his doors. I grew up on a sail boat, beer was the flavor for breakfast, being a drunk is not all so bad, but being a one sided asshole will live with you forever. This is a game of pretend. I don't really think I have to give out specific information in order to play. Sorry if I am not a bleeding heart, but if you can't pull you're shit together, then you are a fucking looser. And if you doubt me, try, just try to go out irl and cry wolf over and over. Believe me, it won't work and the drunks, or the re found drunks would laugh in your face. Now if you excuse me I will update my resume that I'm not very popular on GW, oh, damn I guess that will take preference to my Actual skills irl. Get a clue, this is not life, and it's only pretend. Once you master that, you might have some fun. Call ET in Hermosa, tell him you want a stick carved by Redman, hit the big waves, be one of nature, or shut up and play. -------------------------- Message 6426 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 15 22:44:28 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *blink blink* I believe what Eponine was implying, Clay, was that _YOU_ have posted whiney stuff to this list about how horrible your IRL is, and expected sympathy... And that for _YOU_ to post a blatantly abusive post towards another who did the same thing, is just WRONG. Glasshouses, stones, they don't mix. I'm not saying this to offend you, just to clarify. Rand -------------------------- Message 6427 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 16 04:42:16 1999 EDT From: Cirrus (#24781) To: *Chat (#5391) Oh, THAT's gonna get a nice, sunny reaction..... Cirrus cowers in fear, awaiting said "sunny" reaction.... -------------------------- Message 6428 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 16 06:56:57 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *grin* You missed my point entirely, Clayson, just as I knew you would. Now, kindly get off your high horse, you're not more perfect then the rest of us are. Alcoholism is a disease, Clayson, but you should know that. You were on and drunk the other day, you said so several times during [public] channel conversations. If you're sober, then you're not drunk. So therefore you're not over the hump yet, hon. People have plenty of fun here, Clayson. The only person who seems to have a stick up their ass is you, every time something doesn't go your way or you feel pissy and have to ram that stick up someone else's ass for your personal amusement. Go out irl and do something like you keep saying you are. Otherwise, you're nothing more then all the things you protest about and against. Hypocrite. -------------------------- Message 6429 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 16 16:00:18 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Today is my Mom's birthday, 68 years and she is the most wonderful Mom in the world.. Just thought I'd share.. She is really the best.. I love her dearly.. Robert -------------------------- Message 6430 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 17 07:27:18 1999 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yeah! For the few folks who have been dealing with my constant fretting over the design for my new site... well, the bloody libra finally made up her addled mind. I scrapped the flowery crap altogether. I liked it in spite of myself, but it was just too obnoxiously cluttered and fluffy. Hopefully the newly remodeled site will be up and running by this time next week. .after about 2 months of wrangling with graphics and never being able to make up my mind... well... thank whatever deities there may be out there. *grin* -------------------------- Message 6431 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 17 11:46:29 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Happy Birthday Rand-y-pooh, another year into the grave. ;) Cuj -------------------------- Message 6432 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 17 11:47:27 1999 EDT From: Luke (#24862) To: *Chat (#5391) yeah happy birthday, that means you can't try and PK _today_ -------------------------- Message 6433 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 17 12:09:30 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Birfdays HAPPYHAPPY Rand! -------------------------- Message 6434 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 17 12:12:42 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Weddings Not everyone knows Burble, the Mounts Jester, but ..well those that do, heh... Burble is getting married on the 24th to someone that is...almost as nuts as he. Anyway, everyone please wish he and his soon to be bride every blessings and happiness. Happy Nuptials, Burble..and Blessings always! *hugs* DB/Di -------------------------- Message 6435 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 17 16:45:55 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Happy Happy Birthday Mr. Rand!! You studdly feller you.. *pinches da butt** -------------------------- Message 6436 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 18 15:15:24 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Availability I will be going in for eye surgery on Tues, the 20th. I may possibly be here very little for a short time, depends on how it goes. If anyone needs to discuss anything with me, needs something, etc... Please contact me before tomorrow evening. Some of you know that my eye sight has been worsening for some time. I am hopeful this will soon change! *hugs* DB/Di -------------------------- Message 6437 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 18 17:16:05 1999 EDT From: Skywalker (#6644) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: body_parts and *ideas One little problem with that. Body parts are also called for combat purposes. So...are you willing to get hit in the eyes and take 500% damage? And what kind of damage will you get if someone hits your hair? (Skywalker receives a mortal wound as the battle axe chops into his hair). Now breasts, let's talk about breasts.... -------------------------- Message 6438 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 18 17:19:37 1999 EDT From: Menroth (#14123) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Eyes. If you got hit in the eyes...would the screen go blank?? -------------------------- Message 6439 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Apr 19 19:19:13 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Recombs. If you have worked, or are interested in possibly being a part of, a Recomb Revolution, please contact me. There is a plot in the works. MOOmail is preferred as pages are too easily lost, especially if I'm idle. Thanks! -------------------------- Message 6440 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Apr 19 19:22:26 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Not a bug or ideas just a fact I thought I'd bring out. Sleeping characters can't hear @x or Moo wide yelling. -------------------------- Message 6441 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Apr 19 19:30:02 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) No duh, Vertemis. Did it ever occur to you my yell was for those individuals who are currently online? -------------------------- Message 6442 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Apr 19 19:31:18 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Perhaps he meant people who had been KO'd or were 'sleep'ing off insanity/fatigue/injury/etc. Perhaps this could be fixed, Quinnie? -------------------------- Message 6443 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Apr 19 19:31:45 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Ah, my bad. -------------------------- Message 6444 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Apr 19 19:32:22 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: $ I'm sorry if that sounded like me being a prick, what I meant was people IC sleeping, like to heal damage, and the yell just reminded me because I couldn't see it on my sleeping character and whenever someone spoke on @x I got the same message you get when someone is take things from a sleeping body. I wonder what those two chat messages that just got posted say, sorry if this ends out being redundant. -------------------------- Message 6445 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 20 18:34:39 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I can see! I am back from the surgery and seems to be a complete success. I have clear vision once more (in the right eye), and tho it still is not 100%, hell, its only been a few hours since the surgery! I am seeing things a bit 'rose colored' as yet, but..Looks like it was completely sucessful! Thank you all that wished me well, sent good thoughts, love and prayers. Thank you. *hugs* DB/Di -------------------------- Message 6446 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 20 20:46:25 1999 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: just so everybody can say it with pride @define WHEE -> Checking... ---------------------------------@define WHEE---------------------------------- Main Entry: whee Pronunciation: 'hwE, 'wE Function: interjection Date: 1898 -- used to express delight or exuberance *** Definition (c) Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. Visit http://www.m-w.com/. ---------------------------------@define WHEE---------------------------------- -------------------------- Message 6447 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 22 23:31:30 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: response to Eppy. I would really appreciate it if you would stop posting crap about me irl. You don't know me, and you never will. I know alcoholism is a disease, believe me I have lived with it all my life. I know I have a drinking problem, I also know I refuse to acknowledge it. The sad thing is, I am what they call a functioning alcoholic, I don't drink everyday, and sometimes I can go for months. But once I start, I can't stop. Well till I pass out. A few weekends ago I was drunk, I was at my sisters, my kids were at home with their father and I tied one on. I'm only telling you this cause you seem to know me, you don't. You have no clue. So until you have your facts straight, keep your thoughts to yourself. My children are not at harm, besides the fact they carry the gen. If you know anything about alcoholics, you will know we are very good at hiding the problem. Not only from ourselves but also from the ones who love us. I lied, I'm not sober, nor do I plan on stopping drinking, not now, for a long long time. You see, four years ago my best friend shot his fucking head off at my dinner table, when that memory fades, then perhaps I would put the bottle down. Now you go back, pamper the ones that weigh too much, whose tits are too large, whose parents won't buy them the world, but keep in mind. There are others who have suffered greater, who have sunk to the bottom and are still struggling to keep their head above the water and pretend all is well. I feel there is no need to carry on this conversation, or any reason to ever bring it up again. I'm not posting this to reach out, I have help, I just refuse to take it, I guess I prefer to suffer in my own hell for reasons I do not wish to share. -------------------------- Message 6448 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 00:49:38 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Dear Clayson: My father was exactly like you; a binge drinker. He was a good man who provided well for his family and loved us, but he had this tiny little problem. Three or four times a year he would go off and spend three or four days drunk until he puked and passed out. During the days he spent drunk he was a totally different man. He hit my mother, frightened his children and on more then one occasion ended up in jail. In November of 1988 he stoppped drinking: period. He started to go to AA and he spent the last 6 and a half years of his life clean and sober. The percipitating event for this? His best friend in the entire world, a man he had been friends with since 1954 and someone he spent countless hours with working on their cars, going fishing and just schmoozing with, was a captain of a fire house. One night his company responded to a fire at a construction site. An arson fire. Unknown to them, there was a trailer full of ammonium nitrate at the site. You can guess what happened. The explosion rocked all of south Kansas City. My dad's best friend and his entire company were quite literally blown to bits. All they found of him to put in his coffin were his boots. My dad was drunk the night of the explosion. When he found out the next morning it shocked him into stopping and sobering up. The next event that occurred was even more of a nail in the coffin to my dad's drinking. His best friend's wife called him and asked if he would be chief pall bearer at the funeral. She told him that he was the best friend that had ever been had. That it was directly due to my dad's efforts that his friend had stopped drinking, because you see HE was an alcoholic as well. My dad spent countless hours with him giving him support and finally convincing him to go to AA. His wife told my dad that it was directly due to him that the last years of their marriage were good ones because of his efforts to help his friend. When my dad heard this, he fingered the bruised cheek he had given himself the night before falling down while he was drunk and inwardly he swore he would never drink again. And he didn't. My dad lived his pain at the death of a friend he considered dearer then a brother. He faced it. And he HONORED him by facing his own problem and dealing with it. I can understand the pain and trauma of watching someone you cared about commit suicide in front of you. But instead of using it as an excuse to drink, use it as an excuse NOT to drink. You have children that love you and depend on you. Do it for them. Do it for ANY reason. Just do it. As the adult child of an alcoholic I can tell you that the pain of having an alcoholic parent lives forever. -------------------------- Message 6449 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 00:50:15 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) BTW, my deepest apologies for spamming the list. -------------------------- Message 6450 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 00:55:42 1999 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Book for you all to read. Or maybe not all of you. I know not _everyone_ likes really dark stuff. Chuck Palahniuk's "Fight Club." Easily one of the best books I have ever read. Borrowed it from a friend, who taped up the back cover, saying it blew the plot twist (which it DOES, I read it when I finished, so do NOT read the back if you get this book). If you want a basic plot summary, a man, fed up with his life and job, thinking everything is too perfect, starts a "fight club," where men with the same problem (a lack of a problem) basically beat on each other in a sickeningly therapeutic fashion. Then the descent into madness begins. -- semi-literate Dur -------------------------- Message 6451 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 04:40:32 1999 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Leave my tits out of this rant, thank you. I rather like them. -------------------------- Message 6452 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 06:12:02 1999 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Actually... one comment. Clay, if you don't give a damn about anyone else's problems, and don't want to hear them discuss them, why are you always the first one to mention them in a public forum? -me, who still dun see what her tits have to do with this. -------------------------- Message 6453 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 07:19:00 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Clayson. Kindly stop posting real life information on yourself. If you don't want others doing it in attempts to gain pity, then don't be doing it yourself. I don't pity you, Clayson. I never will. That was my entire point. Get it now or do you need further explanation? -------------------------- Message 6454 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 10:25:01 1999 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: For the record I would like _my_ tits left out of this too. -------------------------- Message 6455 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 10:29:25 1999 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Also let it be known That Camber is the only one with rights to play with my tits. Any attempts to play with my tits must be approved through him. -------------------------- Message 6456 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 12:25:00 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Heyas All of you please kindly stop bashing each other. Thanks! -------------------------- Message 6457 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 12:26:17 1999 EDT From: Camber (#22034) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: But then... ..there'd be nothing to do here but RP!! -------------------------- Message 6458 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 12:26:47 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) There's always scrabble! -------------------------- Message 6459 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 12:27:24 1999 EDT From: Camber (#22034) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ooo. Good point. Carry on. -------------------------- Message 6460 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 12:28:01 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Mmm... scrabble... *drool* -------------------------- Message 6461 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 12:34:40 1999 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: connect problems to ghost... anyone else on the east coast having trouble getting in here or staying once in? I keep getting dropped but am fine elsemoo. H -------------------------- Message 6462 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 12:38:51 1999 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: disturbing trends in VA Goth students told not to wear trench coats to Chesterfield schools The students are calling, what seems to be a reactionary new policy, discriminatory. And in the meantime they have agreed not to wear their coats at school, but one of the students said that he would carry his coat while at school as a sign of protest. Gilmore orders schools to report suspicious students to police A new Virginia school security directive handed-down by Governor Jim Gilmore is getting mixed reviews. Parents like it, but civil libertarians are warning that student rights could be abused. -------------------------- Message 6463 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 14:50:47 1999 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: read this....ick.. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999/04/21/MN31088.DTL H -------------------------- Message 6464 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Apr 23 20:04:01 1999 EDT From: Zecular (#20311) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Chesterfield Add my old hs to the list. No trenchcoat or all black clothing wearers on school property. Option to change itno gym clothes (that probably haven't been washed in over a month and carry around nasty viral and bacterial germs, perhaps afew parasites too) or be suspended. K -------------------------- Message 6465 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 24 21:56:37 1999 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: heh, I be responding. Have you ever lain naked against the skin of your best friend? Tell me, can you move on to someplace where you think you are real? I don't like you Eppy, I guess I should have responded earlier, sad, rl takes preference in my life. Dee, back up if you can, why do you think everyone is out to get you? Have you ever stepped out of your front door? Or are midgets not allowed to escape the circus? Why is GW here? Well, I would think it is a game that Quinn made for everyone to enjoy? Am I wrong, or is it just for special fucking assholes that cant run in the main stream. Why, I ask you, what really matters here, I can type anything I like, you can believe it or not, you can crawl around in you undies and think that all here are telling the absolute truth. Or you can finally realize that some of us are only a little name gracing your monitor. You see lonely ones, not all of us are out to share, nor do we care what you think about us, we are only here to pretend. You have butt fucked in text the best players in my mind, they left. The best pretenders have moved on, now, only the idiots stay, demanding attention. Thank you Eppy and Dee for making this moo a pit of hell. Get a life you two headed gargle, I could be totally posting bullshit, you will never know, but for you to take is sooooo seriously, well, that makes you a bit of a looser, don't you think? Life is more then the moo, think about it. Hopefully most of us are here to play, not making it your life, nor your only social outlet I guess the big question is why do you care? Less this is the most important thing in your sorry ass life. You go girls, you get will get far, damn, I'm so jealousI wish I was just like you two. Now you run off and mark my sheet, post to Quinn that I'm being mean to you, oh my God! You two are so fucking sorry ass it's pathetic. Go away, I'm tired of you little channel posts, I'm tired of hearing your real life bullshit, I'm tired of you totally. You have taken a good thing and made it shit, fuck you. Now, everyone, stand up. Defend the assholes, but let me ask you this. When was the last time you saw these little shits actually play in theme? -------------------------- Message 6466 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 24 22:17:37 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Put the bottle down, Clay. Now. -------------------------- Message 6467 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 24 23:46:57 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Last word from Jess. (whee) Clayson, People are out to get you only about as much as you are out to get them. People are only commenting on your mental problems as much as you are commenting on theirs. It's widely known that I'm friends with both Karma and Eponine, and so you'll probably tell me that I'm merely standing up for them in an effort to further beat you down and make your life more of a living hell, but please believe me when I say that if I thought they were out of line, I'd let you all know it. You get what you pay for - and if you're upset about them posting and talking to you and saying things, then you should probably stop posting back, and consider unsubbing from the list. In the same vein, if you -really- don't want to 'share' with us, then by all means, don't. You say you don't want our help, don't want to tell us about your 'real life', don't want us sticking our noses in your business, don't think we understand you, and don't think people should post RL stuff on a list which is rooted in a place where we all come to 'pretend'. If these are beliefs that you hold, and you are secure in them (as your tone seems to suggest), then please take your own advice. I'm sorry to contribute to the cycle of posts which might seem to be only attempting to one-up the post before it, but I'm feeling opinionate this evening and I'm tired of watching this go 'round. Clay, if you want to respond to me, please do. I'll probably read it, and chances are I'll get really stewed over it like I have your past few posts. But this is the last word from me on the subject, and so I'll go ahead this time and succumb to my urge to respond verbally & publically. Now back to your regularly scheduled imaginings. -Jess -------------------------- Message 6468 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Apr 24 23:51:12 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Oh yeah, and... I get to see RUSHMORE for the fifth time tomorrow. ;) -Jess the Lame -------------------------- Message 6469 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 02:02:46 1999 EDT From: Cirrus (#24781) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Food for thought? Not to agree with Clayson or anything (gasp!), but I myself wonder where the heck all the people worth roleplaying with went. All I see on anymore is the people who sit OOC and do something else with their computers, or aren't even at their computers the entire time they're connected. Or people who's RP could use help that I'm not in the mood to give. Between the infinite idlers and the nameless, I log on and find nobody with which to do what everybody FINALLY talked me into doing exclusively with my characters.... RPing. So, basically this all boils down to (and may the gods help me for agreeing with Clay, as I know it will bring the wrath of all of those in denial...): Where did all the TRULY good players go, and was it all this posting about RL that drove them off? T. (stands for TRULY sorry if I've shown you a truth you don't quite like) -------------------------- Message 6470 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 02:09:17 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Well, it might have been RL itself, and not the posting. I know that, in my case at least, I've been unable to RP at all because of school/work/moving and so on. Which, btw, in case anyone was wondering (not that you care ;)), is where I've been lately. hehe. -J. (which stands for Jess) -------------------------- Message 6471 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 02:14:16 1999 EDT From: Cirrus (#24781) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: RL itself? Oh, I sowwy, I wuz under da impureshun dat all der ppl had no livez and sat aroun' on dere computerz all day looong..... T. (stands for That was kinda obvious and sorry for the sarcasm....) P.S.: Sorry, I really do love you all, but I'm having a REEEEALY bad night. (as if y'all CARE...) -------------------------- Message 6472 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 02:15:07 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) u dont nied 2 apologiz. u want 2 ts?? i want 2 ts!! lets ts and have fun becuz u sexee -------------------------- Message 6473 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 02:17:17 1999 EDT From: Cirrus (#24781) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I got two words for ya.... NO RATHE! And on a lighter note, why do we raze eachother over *chat when not only will no one care in a hundred years, but the world could end tomorrow with us still having hard feelings at eachother? -------------------------- Message 6474 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 02:18:08 1999 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Because we're special. -------------------------- Message 6475 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 02:18:29 1999 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yes Cirrus I have very HARD feelings for you, maybe you'd like to find out how HARD I am? But tomorrow the world could end, so you should get it over with right now *wink* -------------------------- Message 6476 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 02:19:17 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Why? Because we're angry, bitter, stressed out loners who don't get enough chocolate. -------------------------- Message 6477 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 02:19:52 1999 EDT From: Camber (#22034) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ahem. I've got chok-lit! -------------------------- Message 6478 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 02:20:00 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ahhh, Nooooooooo CHOCOLATE!!!!!!!!! -------------------------- Message 6479 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 02:21:02 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: 6477 Chok-lit?! -------------------------- Message 6480 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 02:29:46 1999 EDT From: Cirrus (#24781) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: No chocolate for me thanks... Dunno if you guys have been reading yer medical journals, but the polls are in and they say processed sugar causes diabetes, heart problems, tooth decay, and, not to mention, ya get fat from it. And Dante.... I guess I've got a sich mind, but if that's an inuendo, get yer mind outta the gutter so mein kin float bye. Thx. And I'm TRULY sorry if yous guyz are all loners or whatnot, but I'm actively trying to improve my social life myself, and I gotta say, human interaction is a real stress release for me. Especially interaction with some I've come to care about as great friends AWAY from das compooter. My driver's license will be the final liberation of my social persona. I'm not a loner by choice, you see, but by proxy. Believe it or not, I'm a people person. -------------------------- Message 6481 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 03:07:01 1999 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Actually... I headed to some other sites to RP not because the IC world here isn't `good' or that `people aren't good enough' or any of the other `people who don't RP here are just elitists' rhetoric that goes around. Here's the why: 1. Got sick of the OOC screaming. Any time I'm active here, someone feels the need to start something that does, truly, kill the `fun' I have here. And it's OOC. Whether it's flaming, twinking, cheating, insults -- whatever. When that happens, it fails to be fun any longer. I shift my attention to somewhere else until I calm down, and can come back to my responsibilities here with a clear and `fair' head. No. It's not fun to be screamed at, called names OOCly, or *gasp* have to do something to keep the game fair if it's going to upset -anyone- -- friend/foe/gerbil/mastodon/etc. 2. Working on building a business. IRL. Alone. Takes quite a bit of work. I ran into some problems over the holidays in relation to the business, and it's taking a good percentage of my time to resolve those issues as well as keeping the business running, period. Random commentary: 1. Yes, it's sad that not everyone is having as much fun as they'd like. I'm sorry, but I simply can't believe Eponine and myself have caused this, and that's a good part of what's being said in Clayson's post. The pair of us are -not- in control of this entire site. The image of us as `puppetmasters' is inane. I'd like to know how I, personally, am stopping Clayson from doing -anything- she damned well pleases ICly here. 2. Guess what. You can do whatever you like here IC, more or less. OOC isn't a game. You don't sling insults at people OOCly, and you don't harass them. That isn't funny, and that part isn't a game. -------------------------- Message 6482 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 13:46:54 1999 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: My thoughts I've sat relatively quiet as long as I've been here and here's what I think. I'm not sure what you mean when you say good rpers. If to you good rp is sitting in an exclusive place dropping out long *tp posts about eating the morning breakfast, then yeah, we have good rpers. If you think it's running around the moo taking your ooc conflicts out Icly, yeah we got that too. But if good rp is about complaining about every little thing from insults to not getting your sheet editted, well we seem to have that most of all. There are all types of gm's. There are gm's who work hard building classes and areas, there are gms busily coding up features and objects, and there are gms who seem to sit around all day. And for anyone who was wondering, there are about 3 gms subscribe to *requests, or at least 3 that read it. My point is there are all types of people in the world and on the moo. If you want more Rp, go out and rp, if you want more crystals, go out and hunt. Better stats? Spar. If you're tired of hearing bs on *chat, do what I'm about to do, unsubscribe. Tired of ooc harassing? @x/part works awefully well along with @gag and a variety of other tools created by the helpful gm staff. The Moo is a game. The abusive chat, the long scrabble lines, and the friendly fireside chats are what makes this place a community. No one always gets along with their neighbors, so deal with it, put up a higher brick wall, buy some dogs or do what ever you have to do in order to ignore what you don't like, and then, get on with the game. Vert Oh yeah, and a special thanks to Ed for the time he puts into this place, but not just the time, the effort and work to make this place more fun. -------------------------- Message 6483 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 14:04:52 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Amazing! I ain't gotten into this discussion on *chat!! Rob.. -------------------------- Message 6484 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 14:14:36 1999 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Randomfun Vertemis for president. -------------------------- Message 6485 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 14:16:14 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Randomfun Only if he promises a new age of free sex!! -------------------------- Message 6486 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 15:55:04 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Vert's post You said it, Vert. Considering the work he HAS put into this place in the way of newbie help, RP stimulation AND RP, I'd like to know why Dante has never been offered a bit. -------------------------- Message 6487 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 16:00:35 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: No offense to Ed, but. His history is candy-caned with good and bad, IMO. Not that everyone hasn't made mistakes, but.. well. It'd be like giving *me* a bit. Crazy -------------------------- Message 6488 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 17:49:44 1999 EDT From: Menroth (#14123) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: all this bick'rin why can't we just....get along?? -------------------------- Message 6489 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Apr 25 18:58:11 1999 EDT From: Cirrus (#24781) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: $Karma I'm sorry I hadn't been here to respond to you early, Karma, but actually I agree with you. I haven't been here because of the ooc shit, I can't stand the fact that every time Clayson says something Tirafal and Eponine AND you have to harp on her for it, and I can't stand the fact that every time any of you three say anything, Clayson digs herself deeper into a hole. And complaining about it won't do any good because no one will change without force or a realization that they're doing something wrong, which is about as likely as Christmas in July. I agree with you that the ooc bickering is the reason most of us don't bother to logon or don't bother to RP anymore, and it bothers me that I can't do anything about it. I'm sorry I got into it, and sorry I probably started it all with Pounce, and actually the only reason I even stay on here is a couple people I enjoy talking to who still do log on. And just for your further enjoyment and fun, I won't be coming back to GW after the summer, I'm likely going to get my computer repo'd or something. So I guess you all can have yer ooc fights and IC funs witout me. -------------------------- Message 6490 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Apr 26 12:09:00 1999 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Woo. Well, just like the net message said. Today, at April 26, we had cops swarming over the school. It seems someone called in an actual bomb threat, and someone else was threatening to shoot somebody--three guns confiscated from people from 8am to 9:30am. I left school with a friend, since the cops said, "don't even bother checking out, just leave." My 2nd youngest brother had the stomach ache, so he left school early. my 3rd youngest was the last to leave, as Mom raced down the road to get him. What a day. Ake -------------------------- Message 6491 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Apr 26 12:52:11 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Ake I heard rumors that the note one of the Collumbine killers left said more shit was going to go down today. Either way :/ I was on Loveline last night! Fun. Kinda cool to be heard all over the US. If anyone was listening, yes, I was the Sean at the end of the show. Unfortunately, Adam cut me off before I could really make my point...ah well. Everyone knows he's an asshole anyway ;> elf -------------------------- Message 6492 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Apr 26 19:25:34 1999 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Nonsense Everyone on all sides just shut the fuck up about your personal lives. Nobody comes here to read flames. End it now, or leave. -------------------------- Message 6494 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Apr 26 23:33:21 1999 EDT From: Deviator (#24866) To: *Chat (#5391) Look, one more "my two cents post" and I'm gonna jump off a cliff. Better yet, I should push all of you off it. In case you didn't listen to Quinn, I believe we _should_ try and derive the fact that we don't care, and we don't want to listen to your IRL problems - this should include your 'encounters with people outside of your house' as well as how you were treated growing up and all that shit. And, PLEASE FLAME. It's a lot quicker than these stupid slice of life posts, and I really don't care how you see your self. Now. Everybody shut up, and get on with it. Don't care about Colorado, thats somebody else's problem, not OURS, so stop trying to feel like your a part. Besides, a few dumb fucks ruined life for america's youth, but who cares? be yourself, complain about IRL to other people OFF of the computer, and GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES. There. I made the offensive post alot of us have been itching to make, we should be all done here. *cleans off hands and walks off* -------------------------- Message 6495 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 27 04:00:35 1999 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) 6493 deleted out of respect for the no bitching policy. -------------------------- Message 6496 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 27 08:33:03 1999 EDT From: Tirafal (#24173) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: $$ I apologize if anything I have posted in the past has made anyone uncomfortable or irritated. I will henceforth refrain from posting anything about my real life. -------------------------- Message 6497 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 27 10:02:59 1999 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: chat Hey, I don't mind occasional discussions of RL current events or RL happiness. What I don't want to read are the seasonal flame wars. Just keep it to yourself. I don't care if you're fat, an alcoholic, or in the Trench Coat Mafia. Just have fun, eh? If you can't have fun anymore, take a cue from the long line of former Ghostwheel citizens who have stated same before LEAVING FOREVER REALLY FOR REAL NOW. -------------------------- Message 6498 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 27 11:35:07 1999 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: media, msnbc and the desire to buy a trench coat. Meanwhile, media critic Jon Katz posted further dark testimony from teens. I was called into the principals office and he asked me if I was a member of any hate group, or any online group, or if I had ever played Doom or Quake. ... I thought I was going to be brave and defiant, but I just fell apart. I cried and cried, one correspondent wrote. The above clip is form an Msnbc article and refers to the slashdot article by Katz on yesterday ..but what's really disturbing to me is that it leaves out the part of her story where she says she didn't do any of those things or belong to any hate groups ...why is the media so deteminted make this a gun control evil internet issue when it's got alot more to do with the feelings of alienation and dispair felt by a large portion of the youth of this country. All over teens are being searched for no other reason then that they happen to like wearing black, In my own backyard 5 teens are in jail because they had copys of bomb making texts at school, I'm soryr but how many of you downloaded the Anarchists cookbook when you were in school? I know I did and I didn't blow up anyone ...well that one time when Agyar gave that grenade bact to Cheetah but that don't count I don't think. Ok enough of this post sorry I'm just real pissed at all of the stuff I've read and seen on tv and needed an outlet. John -------------------------- Message 6499 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 27 13:42:18 1999 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Thanks, H. :) Thanks for the alert -- the articles proves useful for my class. yay! -Jess -------------------------- Message 6500 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 27 18:28:02 1999 EDT From: Camber (#22034) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Anarchist texts and the like. H brought up a very good point, but I think he limited it unnecessarily by using the word 'download'. The Anarchists Cookbook, The Terrorist's Handbook, and references, schematics, and 'how-to's' for anarchist aims have been around for quite some time, and not just in digital format. My first copy of the aforementioned handbook was in printed form. I believe I was 11 at the time. And indeed, from this jewel of destructiveness and my prepubescent hands (and those of my friends) came small devices of assembled destructive power, usually in the form of tennis ball bombs or something similar, set off on streets or in the woods to sate our insatiable curiosities. I went through an all-black phase... for me it was just that, but it might mean something different to each person. I sat in the middle school cafeteria reading the necronomicon as well, much to the chagrin of the faculty, but hey, I didn't turn out too badly so far, and neither did any of the people I hung out with. I find the reports of the media disturbing and error prone, as I'm sure the rest of you do, but what I find more upsetting is the completely irrational behavior of parents and faculties in general. Eppy and I were rambling on @x the other day about individuals being smart, but 'People' being inherently dumb, and the nonsensical banning of trench-coats, persecution of gaming companies, and proclamations of 'the evil of the internet' are ignorant, knee-jerk reactions to the "PEOPLE"'s feeling of fear (superficially for their children, but I think for themselves and their way of life nearly as much) and their feelings of helplessness in dealing with this situation because, simply put, parents don't understand their children. While I wish I could propose a solution to the craziness this tragedy has stirred up, the most obvious path towards preventing its happening again is NOT censorship and the denial of basic rights, but awareness and understanding... I only wish 'people' could see that... -Cam, who begs forgiveness for spam and has no idea where that came from. -------------------------- Message 6501 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Apr 27 18:29:44 1999 EDT From: Camber (#22034) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Oh yeah. And the initial point with regard to H's post was that this shit was available and easily accessible in many other mediums long before it was available digitally. Thank you. -------------------------- Message 6502 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 28 03:12:16 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Patrick Stewart Those of you that like Stewart, a good movie, tho seems to be a sleeper: Safe House... -------------------------- Message 6503 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 28 10:18:09 1999 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: chat I wholeheartly agree with Quinn. -------------------------- Message 6504 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Apr 28 10:21:45 1999 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: media, msnbc and the desire to buy a trench coat. That remind me of the campaign to censor the net because of the pedophila material that can be found online... like that material was not available from other sources from ages... like it's gonna help the poor kids (since well, you know, once the picture is printed or hit the net... it's too late for the kid.) I think a bunch of people: politicians, business and medias would like the net to become a controlled environement. They don't like people to express their ideas freely (and don't think medias are free to say what they want, they are not.) Let's hope they fail. Janus -------------------------- Message 6505 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 29 01:13:17 1999 EDT From: Zenobia (#24744) To: *Chat (#5391) Needing the place for those without real homes.. meaning, before a person establishes a real home, where do they go by default? -------------------------- Message 6506 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Apr 29 01:20:08 1999 EDT From: Zenobia (#24744) To: *Chat (#5391) WHOO! guest chamber is the generic home, thanks for the efforts! -------------------------- Message 6507 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat May 1 13:35:52 1999 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) and *staff (#2560) Subject: Europe I'm in France even as I type this, in an internet cafe. I'll be backpacking Europe for the next -- 6 weeks. Would love to hear from a lot of you folks. Feel unconnected as it is, in a strange land. Got an account I can access out here - suziechinn@yahoo.com As I go from town to town, I'll correspond. :) KBs here suck, everything's rearranged. Miss you all!!! -------------------------- Message 6508 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun May 2 02:02:24 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *grin* Happy Birthday to SnowHawk. I won't let on how old she is. (Although I'm the only one on the MOO who knows for sure ;) -------------------------- Message 6509 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun May 2 02:03:04 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) 52 -------------------------- Message 6510 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon May 3 03:36:06 1999 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Bri and I have been cleaning the house all night. (Not like anyone out there cares, but still.) We decided to start `small'. The bedroom. It's the least important room in the house so far as company's concerned, but we figured it would also be the easiest of the lot to clean. Boy were we wrong. Things we learned while cleaning the bedroom: #1: Don't let the stacks of dry cleaning get so large that when you finally go through them you think you may need to take out a loan to cover the bill. #2: Any time you're sorting through old clothes, and feel like you've just gone on a shopping spree since you simply don't -remember- owning half of this stuff: a: ...it's time to start throwing things away. b: ...it's time to invest in storage containers. c: ...make sure you stock up on laundry detergent -first-. #3: Don't pile everything on the bed. It can, actually, hit the ceiling, and by the time you pile it up there, you're destined to -really- want a nap. #4: Making any plans for later that evening are wholly futile. #5: Don't accidentally barricade yourself out of the bathroom with boxes. It's just not pleasant. #6: Don't buy any new underwear for a while beforehand. You will find all the pairs you forgot you had in the strangest places. (Under the bed -even- if the bed is on the floor-, hanging from a lamp, or *gasp* where it actually belongs but you where you never think to look anymore.) #7: It is ok to stop treating vintage clothing gingerly when you realize there's more than 4 moving boxes full of it in the middle of the floor alone. #8: Wedding kimono are lovely things when you're not tripping over them daily. #9: We actually -do- have a carpet in the bedroom. It wasn't a hardwood floor covered in clothes as we originally believed. #10: When the cats actually fear the ball of lint from the dryer because it's bigger than they are, it's time to stop for the night. -------------------------- Message 6511 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon May 3 12:38:18 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Karma's house I'm afraid to visit, I'm a compulsive cleaner when I visit people. -------------------------- Message 6512 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon May 3 12:59:40 1999 EDT From: Tarla (#18104) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Karma's house... Yeah, that sounds about par for the course Dee.... I will never forget dragging all that shit off the bed in the spare bedroom in order to drag the footon out for Dave and I to sleep on. Heh. -------------------------- Message 6513 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon May 3 13:21:08 1999 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) OoOoOoOoOoOh! Red? Wanna come visit? *evil grin* I could really use the help. *wink* Well, there is still laundry to be done and such, but I'm going to be sorting small stuff while Bri's away in NJ for work. So... if you don't see me around at all, I might have actually been buried beneath a pile of boxes. -------------------------- Message 6514 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon May 3 13:30:38 1999 EDT From: Yeullan (#19204) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Karma's House TOP TEN REASONS YOU KNOW THAT YOU YOU MAY HAVE STAYED AT KARMA'S HOUSE TOO LONG: 10. The threat of death by suffocation in hats becomes all too real. 9. You aren't certain which would supernaturally kill you in your sleep first, the stacks of transformers or the katanas. 8. You start mutating a new organ to convert cat hair into breathable oxygen. 7. Time ceases to have any meaning whatsoever due to odd sleeping hours. 6. 'anime' is now on your health food list with a recommended daily intake of 4 hours. 5. scattered tootsie-roll wrappers ignite due to excessive heat whenever the computer crashes. 4. You speak fluent cat in four different dialects, and the word 'Mao' ceases to make you twitch violently. 3. You know each Beast Wars episode in and out, and can quote from therein on a regular basis. 2. 2nd hand clove smoke no longer gives you a high, in fact fresh air now makes you gasp and cough. AND THE NUMBER ONE REASON YOU KNOW THAT YOU YOU MAY HAVE STAYED AT KARMA'S HOUSE TOO LONG: 1. The sounds of fingers hyper-actively clacking against a noisy Macintosh keyboard sends shivers down your spine to this day. -------------------------- Message 6515 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon May 3 19:35:54 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Visited my grandmother today. I told her about my recent promotion into the Lead Staff and she suddenly had more life in her then I'd seen in weeks. Her eyes opened and she gasped and said 'You did?'. I suddenly felt quite proud of my achievement, since it gave my grandmother one more happy moment in her fading life. I just wish I could see that shine in her eyes one more time. -------------------------- Message 6516 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon May 3 22:09:54 1999 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Vacation! Rand and I are leaving for Boston soon to visit with friends and family. I'll be gone 7-10 days, depending. Any questions for me, direct them to another GM, or... just wait I guess. -------------------------- Message 6517 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon May 3 23:03:02 1999 EDT From: Merri (#24667) To: *Chat (#5391) So where's the Lamar these days? Is it stuck again? -------------------------- Message 6518 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon May 3 23:04:30 1999 EDT From: Flux (#24842) To: *Chat (#5391) I ate it. *burp* -------------------------- Message 6519 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon May 3 23:55:53 1999 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Vacation... Yes, we are leaving sometime this friday, if anyone lives between Kansas and boston let us know, we _MAY_ have time to swing in for a cup of coffee...and maybe sex, depending on whether or not you are into goats. Rand -------------------------- Message 6520 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue May 4 02:54:52 1999 EDT From: Murdock (#9869) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: yes,.. vacation too! im leaving for Scranton, Pennsylvania on may 4th by plane.. and getting back at may 10th (LATE-night) gonna see Kira, feyd and Tara from CS, and possibly Eppie and rand too! :) cant wait to go to Salem, (gonna see the witch house and all that neat stuff!) :) and visit the parks, a coal mine and boston ( i think a locals band is playing.. 'Green Eggs and Spam' ) well, its 2:37am, and im supposed to wake up aroung 5:30 am.... ya suppose i should sleep now? heh.. i might pop on a bit to check mail (gonna bring a disk of my Gmud program with me) and just in case, murdock69v@hotmail.com is where you can mail me at. :) ta! -------------------------- Message 6521 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue May 4 09:12:01 1999 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Party Big Party at Eppy's and Rand's house why they are away, bring some beers ok :) *winks* JK.... Wish I was going a traveling.. Soon soon.. Me gonna go fishing with D'Babe actually towards the end of this month.. Gee I'm a fun date :) She's gotta clean the fish too.. Red. -------------------------- Message 6522 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue May 4 13:39:51 1999 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Fish No way I am cleaning Your fish, Red. Told ya that. I will clean my own, you will clean yours. heh..Well, you can help me clean mine, since you probably won't catch as many as I, anyway! -------------------------- Message 6523 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue May 4 20:36:31 1999 EDT From: Zenobia (#24744) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: In search of better job For those work and actually enjoy their jobs, how did you find the one for you? I currently do clerical/work comp stuff for the uni hospital, but it's HORRIBLE! If you are in need of an employee, let me know! I'm willing to relocate -------------------------- Message 6524 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue May 4 21:29:22 1999 EDT From: Denali (#18459) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: DB's last. So what you're saying is that Red can clean your fish anytime. Heh. Denali -------------------------- Message 6526 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed May 5 17:25:27 1999 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) 41 6E 64 2C 20 62 74 77 2C 20 45 64 27 73 20 61 20 73 74 75 70 69 64 2C 20 6C 61 7A 79 20 62 61 73 74 61 72 64 2E 20 55 6E 77 69 6C 6C 69 6E 67 20 74 6F 20 70 75 6C 6C 20 6F 75 74 20 61 20 68 65 78 20 63 68 61 72 74 20 61 6E 64 20 64 65 63 79 70 68 65 72 20 74 68 69 73 2E 20 4D 6F 63 6B 20 68 69 6D 20 77 68 65 6E 20 79 6F 75 20 64 6F ;) -------------------------- Message 6527 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed May 5 23:13:51 1999 EDT From: Conrad (#24865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: whee Action "kill Dimensional Shambler" (1) queued. You lunge at Dimensional Shambler, slashing your broadsword with a quick twist. Dimensional Shambler lithely twists its body mere inches away from the broadsword. Dimensional Shambler swings its fists at you. An iron fist smacks into the lazy flesh of your left thigh. You say, "HA!" Action "kill Dimensional Shambler" (1) queued. Dimensional Shambler arcs a fist of fury towards you. Your muscles twitch keenly in response to combat, and you feel more confident in your ability to act under violent pressure. An iron fist smacks into the lazy flesh of your right foot. You thrust forward at Dimensional Shambler with your broadsword. Dimensional Shambler ducks the lethal cut of the broadsword. Dimensional Shambler burps and then humps Williker's leg. Dimensional Shambler slashes out at you with its large claws. Dimensional Shambler rakes its claws down across the length of your body leaving deep bloody furroughs. You fall, blood spraying out in jets of crimson. The Midrealm (An IC-Neutral Location) You are floating in a cold, cold mist. This realm lies between the world of Life and the world of the Great Dreaming... You see the EAGLE here, towering over you. Marie-Claire smiles at you from behind the bar. Horse named Thunder stands quietly, occassionally tossing his head. You see two executioner birds, Worm, a mini-rex, Morning Star, Sterno, two rattlecobras, and two sheol ravens here. Obvious exits include Glowing portal (portal, out, exit). -------------------------- Message 6528 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed May 5 23:20:02 1999 EDT From: Denali (#18459) To: *Chat (#5391) Note: The previous post was due to Conrad's wish to take a shot at the Shambler. I informed him of what would happen, and he agreed to it verbally. In witness to his acceptance of terms were: Rand, Williker, Rathe, and possibly others, if they wish to speak up. Denali P.S.-No, I'm not going to make a habit of this. --------------------------