Return-Path: Received: from requiem.vv.com (IDENT:quinn@requiem.vv.com [206.27.96.69]) by requiem.vv.com (8.9.1a/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03462 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:54:09 -0400 Received: from mailhost.vv.com by requiem.vv.com (fetchmail-4.5.3 POP3) for (single-drop); Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:54:09 EDT Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by eniac.vv.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id LAA17360 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14952 invoked from network); 23 Sep 1998 15:46:26 -0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (root@205.238.183.40) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 23 Sep 1998 15:46:26 -0000 Received: from casper.bga.com (casper.realtime.com [205.238.128.161]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA07296 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:46:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199809231546.KAA07296@zoom.bga.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:46:07 -0400 From: "Quinn@GhostWheel" To: quinn@netsville.com Subject: GhostWheel Message(s) 4020 - 4850 from *Chat (#5391) X-Mail-Agent: GhostWheel (casper.bga.com 6969) X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message 4020 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Jul 20 13:10:57 1998 EDT From: Tarla (#18104) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: So is THAT why.... I was wondering why I was getting tracebacks trying to log on this morning. Heh. -------------------------- Message 4021 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Jul 21 15:34:00 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Looking for... Any weapons that can be sold for 8k or less, or that someone would be willing to trade for a warp tube. -------------------------- Message 4022 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Jul 22 09:38:53 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Zuljan's idea post. This is only a game, if your house is burning down grab your kid and leave. Your char may die, but you will still be alive. Now, what is more important? -------------------------- Message 4023 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Jul 22 12:29:24 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Woo, the weather went back to being cold today. No more murderous heatwave! Only problem is, now I have a cold. Left the window open last night, and woke up freezing to death. Bah But at least it isn't in the high 90s -------------------------- Message 4024 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Jul 22 20:24:36 1998 EDT From: Crenshaw (#24031) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Where the fuck is.... My long knife? It's title is called 'Swift'. If you're the bastard who has it, I'll pay you 500 crystals if you return it, god dammit. -------------------------- Message 4025 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Jul 22 20:29:19 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) How many long knives named 'Swift' are there?!?!? -------------------------- Message 4026 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Jul 22 21:20:54 1998 EDT From: Khyber (#12460) To: *Chat (#5391) Selling *1* longsword. -------------------------- Message 4027 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Jul 22 21:42:11 1998 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) I'm looking for shotgun shells, page or mail me. -------------------------- Message 4028 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 23 01:05:53 1998 EDT From: Zykk (#21824) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Looking for... ..a long knife, long sword, or any other non replicated weapon. Page or mail me. Also: Nunchuka for sale, page or mail me with offers. -------------------------- Message 4029 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 23 18:28:30 1998 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: help theme Installed new `help theme`. Comments welcome. -------------------------- Message 4030 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 23 21:17:22 1998 EDT From: Khyber (#12460) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I may have.. I may have did it wrong or something but I put in the command on my Undead drag to try and fix the ugly exit thing and it didna' understand, someone fix for poor I? -------------------------- Message 4031 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 23 22:00:32 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Longsword. For sale, make offers, looking for 4k. -------------------------- Message 4032 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 23 22:18:03 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Mage tower idea. Still looking for more people, all you need is 10k to join, so far it's me, Sterno, and Dreamevil. Those interested may still contact me, and no Rathe you can't join. -------------------------- Message 4033 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Jul 24 18:07:42 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Someone offered me $500 on lambda to figure out why this was crahsing.. half's yours if you know why, and he actually pays up ;) if( rcc != dcc ) { memmove( dc + rcc, dc + dcc, epnt - ( dc + dcc )); if( rcc > dcc ) epnt += ( rcc - dcc ); else epnt -= ( dcc - rcc ); } memcpy( dc, rstr, rcc ); *epnt = ' 0'; } -------------------------- Message 4034 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Jul 25 13:16:06 1998 EDT From: Skeeter (#4961) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Whee Well, life in the AF is going pretty good so far. I'm in my second week of Tech Scholol. I have a 100 avg after 2 tests. :) if anyone wishes to write.. (please do...) my address is: A1c Russo, Timothy C. PSC 7, BOX 70901 1001 GEMINI DR. SUITE 2 LACKLAND AFB, TX 78236-5709 HOPEfully I'll be able to get on some on hte weekends from now on.. see ya soon. -------------------------- Message 4035 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Jul 25 15:41:05 1998 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Looking for.... A really good blunt weapon, will pay crystals or trade. -------------------------- Message 4036 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jul 26 14:04:55 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Hmm I remember a time when we used to gripe about too many people posting to the various *lists. I miss the good ol days. Ake -------------------------- Message 4037 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jul 26 14:06:17 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Akeashar, you SUCK! Spam spam spam $elf -------------------------- Message 4038 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jul 26 14:07:27 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yes! Thank you Rathe! (I think) More spam, please. Thanks! Ake -------------------------- Message 4039 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jul 26 14:09:27 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) I will spam on chat Perhaps we should start Lambda Haiku posting, hmm? -------------------------- Message 4040 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jul 26 14:10:00 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Good ole days! *THWAPS AKEA HARD* -------------------------- Message 4041 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jul 26 14:11:12 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) I remember when this moo actually had a plot in the running! wasn't it that spectre one? Ake -------------------------- Message 4042 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jul 26 14:12:15 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) There have been alot of Plots running..before that one and after. -------------------------- Message 4043 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jul 26 14:12:37 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Quinn does not like the MOO-spanning plots any more..' It is a pity -------------------------- Message 4044 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jul 26 14:13:02 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) I know, I've been in some of those "before that one and after" thankyouverymuch. Ake -------------------------- Message 4045 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jul 26 14:17:53 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: FYI The post about the spectre TP was an attempt at a joke. Any attempts to take that seriously will get you beat over the head madly with a dismembered and sacrificed Barbie Doll. Thanks! ) (err ;) ) -------------------------- Message 4046 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jul 26 16:42:53 1998 EDT From: Abe (#21180) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ake's FYI... or how about having their legs ripped off and being kicked to death with them?.. }:P -------------------------- Message 4047 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jul 26 21:12:10 1998 EDT From: Zuljan (#20321) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: @rename Okay I hope this doesn't sound like a gripe because it's not. But I would like to tell people who don't know that @renaming something to what it isn't is not allowed. I'm saying this because I've seen a lot happen recently and I'm not liking it. Currently I have a dagger renamed to a throwing dagger and I'd like to know whose it is. Me: Zul -------------------------- Message 4048 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Jul 26 21:42:10 1998 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Lookin' for anything.... *cries* Err....uh...I mean, preferably a katana, a sledge, or some armor. Thanks. -Oberon -------------------------- Message 4049 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Jul 27 01:31:30 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: hey Hi Skeet, damn I miss you :( the cookies are coming I promise but its like a thousand and one degress here, or how ever the fuck you spell it. -------------------------- Message 4050 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Jul 27 01:32:46 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: opps That was ment to go to Skeet's mail, sorry for the spam. -------------------------- Message 4051 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Jul 27 08:08:51 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Clayson bakes cookies? I thought only Rathe did that with the other elves? Well I'm back after a few days vacation, and sad to say my face is red as a lobster ;P Of course I didn't burn anywhere else except there so I won't complain but it feels like my head is inside a pressure cooker. Don't even ask me to grin, or raise an eyebrow without screaming. Otherwise Dorney was awesome, I got my fill of roller coasters and can say that in most likely hood I have a sence of balance standing upside down now thanks to a ride called 'Hang Time' ;) -------------------------- Message 4052 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Jul 27 19:22:10 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: WinMoo If anyone knows anything about Winmoo, please page me,I need some help. Thanks. -------------------------- Message 4053 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Jul 27 20:43:23 1998 EDT From: Khyber (#12460) To: *Chat (#5391) Everyone..RP..now. -------------------------- Message 4054 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Jul 27 20:54:51 1998 EDT From: Khyber (#12460) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Looking to buy looking to buy a plain ole' katana, page. -------------------------- Message 4055 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Jul 28 09:56:06 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Rathe's story So where is Rathe? Is he coming back? Is this a two part mini series? :) -------------------------- Message 4056 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Jul 28 22:40:03 1998 EDT From: Zecular (#20311) To: *Chat (#5391) Consider the stamp; it's usefulness consists in the ability to stick to one thing until it gets there. -- Joseph_Billings [mist] -------------------------- Message 4057 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Jul 29 00:51:55 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Oh, for all of the people in Rand's army, Rathe's lackies, etc You get word that Rathe is dead. He left no will, his laboratory is vacated, and all the lands he 'conquered' are now freed. So, um, time for some dancing in the streets *wink* Rathie -------------------------- Message 4058 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 30 08:19:20 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The Value of a Human Life According to Geardan's Econ book, the value of a human life has been computed to be equal to $10,000,000 American. Food for thought. -------------------------- Message 4059 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 30 13:35:11 1998 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Wanted Throwing Weapons (minus dagger) Shotgun Shells Arrows Good Blunt Weapon -------------------------- Message 4060 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 30 22:14:08 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Bionics. What I've heard is that these are basically finished, they're just not released, might need core hacking and the sort to enable it but it's basically set to go. -------------------------- Message 4061 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 30 22:31:40 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Computer The time has finally come and Dad is buying me a new computer to replace my faithful 286. I'm not entirely sure what to buy as yet -- especially whether or not I should go PC or MAC. Am an artist that is going to explore the graphics. It would be much appreciated if anyone could let me know what they think I should buy and why. I'm computer ignorant. All I know is that I want something kickass. Seeing as how I hold on to a computer for AGES, I want something that I can still use in future years. Sue -------------------------- Message 4062 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 30 22:32:30 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) PC -------------------------- Message 4063 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 30 22:32:48 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Price No object. -------------------------- Message 4064 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 30 22:33:16 1998 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ariadne... PC, or that new PowerMac with the IBM and Mac CoPro, that way you can have the best of both worlds. -------------------------- Message 4065 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 30 22:33:19 1998 EDT From: Khyber (#12460) To: *Chat (#5391) Government supercomputer. -------------------------- Message 4066 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Jul 30 22:34:32 1998 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Comps MAC for Graphx. PC for anything else. -------------------------- Message 4067 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Jul 31 12:19:48 1998 EDT From: Menroth (#14123) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: lookin fer some buffalo robes. -------------------------- Message 4068 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Jul 31 13:26:19 1998 EDT From: Menroth (#14123) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: for sale one glass_bong. -------------------------- Message 4069 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Jul 31 15:31:07 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) and DragonBabe (#5288) Subject: ... You should @addalias Dagonbabe *cackle* Too much lovecraft, $dead-elf -------------------------- Message 4070 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 1 04:28:19 1998 EDT From: Balth (#3746) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Denver/Boulder I'm heading to Boulder/Denver for work, if anyone would like to go out to eat or something (I'm going out there on Sunday), @send me or email me at balth@mo-net.com . Don't reply here, I won't read it as I @skip *chat. Balth/Mark ;) -------------------------- Message 4071 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 1 19:15:09 1998 EDT From: Menroth (#14123) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: for sale 5 hollowpoint bullets. -------------------------- Message 4072 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 2 10:36:42 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) I'm back.. No more sitting around being bored ya knobs.. We are gonna raise hell and kick ass... All Women will report to me pronto for some serious relationshipping.. All buttheads will be killed... -------------------------- Message 4073 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 2 11:44:52 1998 EDT From: Zuljan (#20321) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Wanted: Arrows-good price Katana-I have enough for it The world handed to me on a silver plate-I wish! Zul -------------------------- Message 4074 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 3 00:47:38 1998 EDT From: Zuljan (#20321) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A question: Is the slisssh suit still in play? If so who has it? Zul -------------------------- Message 4075 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 3 02:28:00 1998 EDT From: Williker (#20481) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Wheefun The last two days I've gone to see Tori Amos, and she rocked my ass like a gay monkey on crack both times.. beware of the opening band, tho'.. the DEvlins.. not too good. Well, at least I didn't like 'em. Hee. OK! BYE! -------------------------- Message 4076 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 3 13:47:17 1998 EDT From: Waydown (#22209) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Anything for sale? If anyone have anything for sale, please page me the item and cost. Thankyou -------------------------- Message 4077 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 3 23:45:00 1998 EDT From: Geardan (#24570) To: *Chat (#5391) Cat of nine tails for sale, 4k, contact me." -------------------------- Message 4078 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 3 23:52:10 1998 EDT From: Geardan (#24570) To: *Chat (#5391) Err... Meant to add 'Or best offer.' ;) Thanks. -------------------------- Message 4079 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 4 00:14:01 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Someone buy the damn thing! Still for sale: warp tube. Unused to owner's knowledge, and I'm not charging 50k for the damn thing. -------------------------- Message 4080 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 4 02:27:49 1998 EDT From: Geardan (#24570) To: *Chat (#5391) Cat-o-nine-tails sold. Thank you. ;) -------------------------- Message 4081 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 4 14:46:31 1998 EDT From: Zuljan (#20321) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A letter. Dear People of GhostWheel, I have been doing some deep thinking recently and realized I'm not content with how I'm being perceived by some people here. I'm saying that I'm apologizing for everything I may have done to offend anyone, this was all unintentional. Some things I say in jest might have been inappropriate and/or very tactless. Some might have been taken too seriously. I do my best to help newbies and work to make GhostWheel a better moo. I would appreciate some guidance on becoming a better player both in character and out. I would be very thankful if people would be kind enough to show me what I did wrong when I mess up. I'd also like to add that I'm going to do my very best to change for the better. On a side note some people have been curious about my age I'm going to say that I am a teenager who has a lot to learn. Sincerely, Zuljan -------------------------- Message 4082 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 4 16:45:44 1998 EDT From: DemonWolf (#13247) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: wanted to buy One Chainsaw Air cartiages (sp?) Bladed weapons (katana's, Long Sword, or a good Axe ;0 ) Thanx -------------------------- Message 4083 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 4 17:38:25 1998 EDT From: Waydown (#22209) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: wanted to buy buffalo robes whip or anything that uses whip steel claws coded bladed weapons any helms or cheap armor in the price range of 20k Thanks -------------------------- Message 4084 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 4 20:00:58 1998 EDT From: Lykaj (#6068) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Hrmm How is it that you have to beg the wife to let you buy a sony playstation and as soon as you get it and all the guilt waves from the wife along with it..she plays the damn thing all the time and won't let you on? (shakking his head) Lyk -------------------------- Message 4085 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 4 22:43:37 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Looking for. A HTML Editor program which can fit, and run off a singple floppy drive. Yes I know it's far fetched. -------------------------- Message 4086 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 4 23:41:30 1998 EDT From: Williker (#20481) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Wheefun YAZOO! -------------------------- Message 4087 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 5 16:37:42 1998 EDT From: Bishamon (#23011) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: warriors of the world! Do you have an itching desire to beat elves over the head with baseball bats? Do you like to hide a dagger in your spare pack of cloves? Are you bored with the basic broadsword barbarian look? Well, send your unique and/or crazy weapon ideas to Bishamon (me, if you're blind), and if they're themely and/or feasable, I might just build them. Expect delivery in 2-8 millenia. (I'll put it where I feel like once it's built) Hold the magic. -------------------------- Message 4088 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 5 16:41:00 1998 EDT From: Bishamon (#23011) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Oh yeah If you ask for a katana, I'll cut your eyes out and bet your life savings using them to play craps. -------------------------- Message 4089 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 5 17:22:08 1998 EDT From: Mercury (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) A HTML editor that will fit on a diskette? There is one, it's called notepad. -------------------------- Message 4090 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 5 19:59:44 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: WolfBlade Guess what ya knobs.. I know who OOCly has Wolfblade so stop paging me ya silly's.. ICLY I want info goofs.. Sheesh! Red -------------------------- Message 4091 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 5 21:07:24 1998 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: For sale Throwing star -------------------------- Message 4092 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 5 21:55:29 1998 EDT From: Lykaj (#6068) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: arg To make the sony playstation thing even worse..she kicks my ass so far in all the fighting games. Should have stuck with one player games. -------------------------- Message 4093 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 5 22:52:23 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Lookin' for... Any worthwhile MOOs, _besides_ Cybersphere! -- The annoying newbie, Ulfwerner! -------------------------- Message 4094 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 5 22:53:47 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Ghostwheel -------------------------- Message 4095 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 5 23:14:52 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Vidiot! Ermm....no. Other MUEs. -------------------------- Message 4096 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 6 04:51:51 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: For Sale: 3 Shortbow arrows. -------------------------- Message 4097 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 6 11:57:17 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *cough* Someone take the tent out of the learning room, while your at it make it so you can't drop them so people can't keep sparring with the whip there. -------------------------- Message 4098 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 6 18:34:25 1998 EDT From: Mercury (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) LambdaMOO. We need more people to beat on there. -------------------------- Message 4099 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 6 20:18:55 1998 EDT From: Zecular (#20311) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Thinkpads I'm looking at buying a ThinkPad. I have a few questions; if any gurus are out there, please page me. -------------------------- Message 4100 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 6 20:24:52 1998 EDT From: Menroth (#14123) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: for sale 1 warp tube. -------------------------- Message 4101 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 7 01:16:33 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Selling- A bottle of water. Think the holy grail. Yup. -------------------------- Message 4102 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 7 06:13:37 1998 EDT From: Murdock (#9869) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Girl talk:... a guide to the female language. "we need" : I want " Do what you want" : You'll pay for this later "we need to talk" : i need to complain "Im not emotional" : im on my period "Be romantic, turn off the lights" i have flabby thighs "I'll be ready in a minute" : kick off your shoes and find a good game on TV "Are you listening?" (too late, youre dead) (i wanna die like grandpa. sleeping, not screaming like the other passengers....) -------------------------- Message 4103 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 7 10:16:44 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Kzin I got a picture of Kzin if anyone wants to see it.. its a Good one!! Robertr -------------------------- Message 4104 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 7 12:51:06 1998 EDT From: Spiral (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Grrr. I'm living with an idiot. He went away for the weekend with some friends. Knows I need to as well. Of course that didn't stop him from leaving my car blocked in and taking the keys with him. *hissspitgrumble* Someone hand me a gun. I think his car looks nie there, but needs a bullet hole in the windshield before it looks truly like the lawn ornament it's become. -------------------------- Message 4105 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 7 13:57:30 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Menroth 'for sale' About the warp tube: NO ONE IS GOING TO BUY IT. Of course, if anyone's in the mood to prove me wrong, you can buy mine, that I've been trying to pawn off for the past few months. -------------------------- Message 4107 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 7 20:09:53 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) I need to talk to someone who's familiar with MUSH stuff.. I wanna create something. -------------------------- Message 4108 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 7 21:14:11 1998 EDT From: Skywalker (#6644) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Me Back from vacation. Let the rejoicing commence. -------------------------- Message 4109 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 12:02:30 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) The bottle of water has been sold. -------------------------- Message 4110 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 14:39:06 1998 EDT From: Waydown (#22209) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: For sale Grenade Nunchukas Scythe I'll trade or sell for crystals, don't matter bebe. -Waydown -------------------------- Message 4112 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 15:11:35 1998 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) and *Gamemasters (#2560) Subject: Interesting count As of...oh about 5-10mins ago, I tried to count exactly how many crystals were in play. I got to: 1.1786656e Yep, my calculator busted for the amount of places and calculations. And that wasn't even ALL the crystals when I did the audit. Kyn -------------------------- Message 4113 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 15:16:17 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Why don't I have any of these millions of crystals? Damnit. -------------------------- Message 4114 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 15:17:38 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Rathie-poohs *baps $elfie* Cause you are a Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddddd $elfie! -------------------------- Message 4115 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 15:18:24 1998 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Baps $elfie? Didn't she just hit herself?... -------------------------- Message 4116 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 15:19:39 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) I am not elfi.. Don't get elf and elfi mixed up :p see my homepage for more details. ;P -------------------------- Message 4117 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 15:19:46 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re:re *blinks* Noooooo..I am not and $elf..a $vixen maybe! -------------------------- Message 4118 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 15:20:58 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *wink* @def vixen 1 : a shrewish ill-tempered woman -------------------------- Message 4119 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 15:26:30 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Sterno's *blinks and pouts* Not so! Also means a 'female fox'..Foxie! -------------------------- Message 4120 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 15:27:29 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: last Uh huh... we'll leave it to the MOO to decide which is which. *giggle* -------------------------- Message 4121 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 15:28:11 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Yeah yeah, DB we know you! -------------------------- Message 4122 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 15:28:43 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) *goes off in her corner and cries!* -------------------------- Message 4123 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 15:40:24 1998 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: If your trying to boost, go for this level: 150 in any stat gives you +800 If you can get to 300 you can have +12500 *grin* -------------------------- Message 4124 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 17:33:52 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Looking for A magister/magistra or adept who has room for some students, and time to rp. Oh yeah and good mages only, no necromancers or that black magic stuff. -------------------------- Message 4125 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 18:37:05 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: crystals Hey, where are my crystals?? -------------------------- Message 4126 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 18:58:30 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: RP I'm nude and ic in the R/T Round room!!! come and play!!!!!! -------------------------- Message 4127 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 18:59:53 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Red's Last And that vision is supposed to entice us? Yee. -Etra ;) -------------------------- Message 4128 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 19:00:00 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Umm... Is that supposed to -encourage- us to show up? -------------------------- Message 4129 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 19:01:27 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: RP Ok, not nude, but I'm giving way crystals!!! Come and PLAY! -------------------------- Message 4130 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 19:03:37 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Ever hear the song, "Can't Buy Me Love", Red? -------------------------- Message 4131 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 8 21:16:00 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Esthetic Tattooing I got my eyes tattooed this morning -- permanent eyeliner. The process didn't hurt a bit in comparison to a regular tattoo. They actually numb/freeze the area. My eyes are real swollen right now but that will go away in a couple of days -- I hope? Heh. At any rate, I recommend the process to any of you women who don't want runny, bleedy, gooking eye makeup. Just make sure it's done by someone good and clean. To think I'll never have to buy eyeliner again... And I won't pull at my tender skin to bring on premature wrinkles. I just have to look like Garfield for a couple of days. -------------------------- Message 4132 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 9 10:53:22 1998 EDT From: Mercury (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) Permanent eyeliner is not permanent. It will fade. -------------------------- Message 4133 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 9 12:10:58 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) FUCK being woken up at 7am by my STUPID mother, dragged out of the house with barely enough time to find a bloody pair of pants, taken across town to her FUCKING office, where I had to spend TWO FUCKING HOURS, with about 3 and a half hours of sleep, helping some stupid fucking carpenter cart EXTREMELY fucking heavy stuff out of said office. One more big FUCK YOU to mummy dearest for being unable to bring herself to, *gasp*, god forbid, do a little physical labor so I wasn't shoved all the goddamned grunt work. Jesus christ. -------------------------- Message 4134 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 9 13:15:34 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Fading All tattoos fade but will never fully disappear. It's a matter of getting it touched up when needed. The woman who did me has had it on for 16 years and it's still dark. -------------------------- Message 4135 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 9 14:46:44 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Rathe's Grunt work is good for the soul. And remember Mister Rathe, without your mom..well you would not be alive :) -------------------------- Message 4136 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 9 14:47:51 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Grunt work is good for putting little Rathie in a homicidal rage and killing anyone who questions him. Take the hint. -------------------------- Message 4137 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 9 20:28:40 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Oh boy. My cousin in Jamaica has just been charged with manslaughter. Vehicular, I would think. He hit a guy on a bike - broke both his hands and legs and neck. The deceased is a distant relative of my cousin's father's best friend. The victim died two days after impact, never regained consciousness. Ick. -------------------------- Message 4138 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 9 20:30:51 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: To add... Same cousin with whom I was in a car accident with, while I was just down there in June/July. Except then, it was a hit and run, us being the victims. Doubt my cousin is gonna feel the same about driving again. -------------------------- Message 4139 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 9 23:14:09 1998 EDT From: Mercury (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) That grunt work will make you stronger so matricide won't be that big of an effort on your part. -------------------------- Message 4140 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 9 23:38:37 1998 EDT From: Williker (#20481) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: For sale! 1 katana... page me with offers. -------------------------- Message 4141 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 10 01:28:17 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Spontaneous Family Road Trips... ..suck. 'Nuff said. -------------------------- Message 4142 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 10 01:29:33 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Forgot something... Because I'm on one right now. Dammit. (the sounds of the MOO denizens rejoicing could be heard for miles...) -------------------------- Message 4143 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 10 01:55:56 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Help me.... I'm stuck in an incredibly small Best Western hotel room that is almost completely taken up by shitty furniture. I'm typing with my neck bent abnormally while I watch lame-ass X-Files reruns from 4 years ago. And I'm in some red-neck piss-ant town near Shasta lake. Woe is me. Mmmm..... sweet tarts (tm). There is _some_ joy in life, eh? -- The unfortunate Ulfwerner -------------------------- Message 4144 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 10 07:59:45 1998 EDT From: Lykaj (#6068) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: For sale One motor bike. For sale to anyone but Clayson. -------------------------- Message 4145 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 10 09:38:18 1998 EDT From: Smoke (#12541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Lykaj's heh :) -------------------------- Message 4146 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 10 12:10:07 1998 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Early Warning System I plan to be in Australia for New Years 2000 (the end of the world) if you want to come down we can celebrate the end of the world together. ;) Besides for the guys: Women with great accents and the line: Well the world's ending in 30mins how do you really wanna go out? ..... Might actually work! say And the girls: Well I heard them Aus men love American women. (Silly @qsend) Kyn -------------------------- Message 4148 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 10 23:47:40 1998 EDT From: Devon (#23970) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ignore last post, heh. -------------------------- Message 4149 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 10 23:48:37 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Bish's chain Just wanted everyone to know Bish made a kickass chain. Cool messages, etc. Woo woo -------------------------- Message 4150 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 11 00:14:56 1998 EDT From: Zuljan (#20321) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: About that death Yes I died. No I'm not bitching. (I hope this doesn't sound like bitching if it is well damn.) I'm a bionic...I don't need air...just a thought really. Zul -------------------------- Message 4151 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 11 00:53:07 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) You'd sink instead. -------------------------- Message 4152 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 11 01:51:19 1998 EDT From: Zykk (#21824) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Styx's post... Just so you know, the end of the world will be in 2012, not 2000. ;) -------------------------- Message 4153 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 11 01:54:38 1998 EDT From: Dalkirk (#20796) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: last This isnt dissagreeing with the last, but the new millenium isnt untill 2001, A.D. didn't start in the year 0 you know. ~Dal~ -------------------------- Message 4154 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 11 07:35:47 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: millenium Silly silly, its not going to end, thats when I become leader of the world!! We will party !! Red -------------------------- Message 4155 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 11 14:23:10 1998 EDT From: Nomar (#17488) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Postage OK, if any of you are from canada, or just know the answer. Can you tell the what the stamp is that I need to use to mail something to the us? Thanks -------------------------- Message 4156 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 11 16:04:35 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The milennium. Actually, it's suspected that the actual birth of Christ was several years prior to the year 0 (or one, whatever). Our human recording of time means very little when you get right down to it. So we've already seen the 'actual' milennium. And you know what, we're not dead. Oh, and it's also a crappy Chris Carter show that could never hope to live up to the XFiles, but maybe that's just because (a) David Duchovny is sort of hot, in a broody way or (b) It's really glum and dull. Or maybe it's jsut because I spent ALL NIGHT on here and had no sleep. That coukld be it, too. -Jess -------------------------- Message 4157 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 11 16:05:39 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I like X-files and all, but... Less references to David Duchovny being hot, please. Thanks! -------------------------- Message 4158 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 11 16:06:59 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The Last.. How about Matthew Broderick being irresitible, can I talka about that? Or Harrison Ford? how 'bout him? -J. -------------------------- Message 4159 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 11 16:07:42 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ahem Just be prepared for retaliation. -------------------------- Message 4160 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 11 21:54:10 1998 EDT From: Shaelin (#18284) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Mail "unless the canadian dollar has fell even more and i missed something. Its stil a 54 cent stamp needed to mail a regular/card size envelope. -------------------------- Message 4161 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 11 23:02:00 1998 EDT From: Smoke (#12541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: my god! 54 cents, and I thought our stamps were high. Via USA! -------------------------- Message 4162 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 12 01:33:09 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) 54cents canadian comes out to about 30 us. -------------------------- Message 4163 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 12 02:03:07 1998 EDT From: Skywalker (#6644) To: *Chat (#5391) For the record, it costs $0.45 to send to other Canadian destinations, $0.52 to the United States, and $0.90 to international destinations. All for your standard size letter mail of course. Contact your local Canada Post office for complete details. -------------------------- Message 4164 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 12 02:28:04 1998 EDT From: Dalkirk (#20796) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The millenium For all of those who still think this A.D. doesnt mean after death it means anon domini, I know its not /really/ on the subject, but hey I'm bored. ~Dal~ -------------------------- Message 4165 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 12 02:46:14 1998 EDT From: Williker (#20481) To: *Chat (#5391) GO HERE! http://pharmdec.wustl.edu/cgi-bin/jardin_scripts/SCG, where I got the jumping beans thing.. great page. -------------------------- Message 4166 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 12 05:48:34 1998 EDT From: Murdock (#9869) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ??? who was the one who offered to sell a motorcycle??? -------------------------- Message 4167 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 12 09:22:53 1998 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: y2k It doesn't matter when the calendars think the millenium starts. Psychologically it's the turnover from 19xx to 2000 that matters. Of course, the real danger isn't any mystical prophecy -- it's the Y2K computer problem. Be prepared for failing power grids, collapsed economies, and violent riots. No need to login here anymore -- you'll be living the Apocalpyse! But everyone knows that already, right? -------------------------- Message 4168 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 12 10:38:09 1998 EDT From: Jeo (#24369) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: bicycle enthusiasts... Are there any bicycle enthusiasts out there who'd be willing to help me? I'm in the process of purchasing a new bike. My last one was a Huffy, approx $120 when it was given to me for my birthday. I've had it for several years, and it's slowly falling apart. Right now, I don't use it at all, because the frame is bent. I'm looking for a mountain bike in the $300 - $350 range. Mainly Treks and GTs. My question is thus: Which (if either) is better quality and more durability? Moo-mail me if you can help me. Thanx. - Jeo - -------------------------- Message 4170 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 12 15:09:25 1998 EDT From: Williker (#20481) To: *Chat (#5391) My favorite moving making crazier. http://www.troma.com/home -------------------------- Message 4171 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 12 15:10:33 1998 EDT From: Williker (#20481) To: *Chat (#5391) Christ I suck at typing.. My favorite moveIE making crazies! There. :P -------------------------- Message 4172 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 12 15:13:44 1998 EDT From: Spiral (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *cry I feel naked. They hacked 5 inches of my hair off. It's not a happy thing. I actually did pass out when they told me how much they 'trimmed'. It went from waist-length to mid-lower-back. I could still cry, since it almost never grows. Though... it's back to its tri-colored glory. Yes, I know coloring it all the time is why it has to be cut. I only do it once per year now, though. I could still cry. And... yes, I know, there are millions of problems in the world with deeper significance than this, and are much more important, and much more worth crying over. But, sad to say, I'm a girl at heart. I've wanted hair to my waist since I was a wee thing. Send flowers. I might bury it. -me. -------------------------- Message 4173 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 12 15:43:23 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Just a note for anyone who cares to care.. Figured I'd let all of you know at once, instead of saying it 50 times. ;) Starting tomorrow, I may or may not be able to log in for great periods of time, or RP. I have to see how everything goes, esp. with this new job that I'm trying to get taken care of :P (But that is instead turning out to be a big pain). Anyway, I may not be around much for the next week or so. Hopefully, my dad will turn over to me the computer he's not using. :) But, at any rate, tehre you have it. I'm only telling you because I seem to have been connected to the MOO by some kind of IV lately. -Jess -------------------------- Message 4174 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 12 18:35:01 1998 EDT From: WolfKnight (#16552) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Equipment owned by Wolfknight just a note to those that have quota owned gear by this character I'm recycling everything... so if things disappear from you, You will just have to spend your own quota points ;p thanx P.s If you would like I can @chown the items to you... if not they will be recycled in a couple of days... -------------------------- Message 4175 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 13 14:32:39 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Two words VIVA GHOSTWHEEL! well, three, if you consider ghost and wheel two different words. But all other RPGs suck. Some may have more players, some may have plots more frequently..but know what? Ghostwheel is the only one that's worth sticking with, and the only one I can say for sure I'll never permanently leave. One last time: VIVA GHOSTWHEEL. thank you $elf -------------------------- Message 4176 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 15 19:39:55 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Looking for Arrows. Page or mail me. -------------------------- Message 4177 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 15 21:20:14 1998 EDT From: Vertemis (#23360) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A note left on various gathering places: I am looking for a teacher apt in the art of music. Give me a call on the comm if you fit this description. Thomas Vertemis -------------------------- Message 4178 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 16 13:04:12 1998 EDT From: Khyber (#12460) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Looking to buy looking to buy a chainsaw, contact me by communicator. -------------------------- Message 4180 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 16 21:22:50 1998 EDT From: Slant (#18192) To: *Chat (#5391) and *storylines (#5236) Subject: My quest. I believe that to many worthless deaths have happened here. It isn't that we don't care for eachother, but when we help one another, it is far to late. Knowledge needs to be passed down in a better fashion! Eventhough my body is shattered, I have set myself on quest to help others. I can't heal, I'm not rich, and I won't fight your fight... but I will help distribute the knowledge everyone should know. I have set myself on the task of placing large white signs around our known world. On these signs will be a short haiku describing a danger that is nearby. You may argue that these signs will not help, but I need to do my part. I must do my part. This is also a call to others. I cannot do this alone. While I will happily distribute these signs, I do not know enough to cover the world. Please, reach me on comms, send netmail to me, talk to me. I need YOUR input, advice, and knowledge to help others. This may be a neverending quest. Our known world expands everyday and more dangers appear on the horizon, but nothing is to great a sacrifice for our own safety and the safety of the next generation... Thank you, Slant. -------------------------- Message 4181 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 05:47:36 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: About Fatigue... Late-night/Early-morning rant in regard to the new programming that causes players to receive fatigue from combat... It shouldn't exist. Or at least not at the current rate that it does. Sure, it may add to realism. But at the same time, this addition to the programming (similar to the glimmermotes being made stronger, and chimaeras attacking without provocation) seems to truly succeed in making the environment harsher for newbies. Such things make it harder for them to hunt and spar, keeping those with ultra-high stats and lots of crystals at the top, while locking the struggling newbies safely at the bottom. Therefore, not only is there a stagnation in shifts of power stat-wise, but there is also a paralyzation in the MOO 'economy': with less crystals being brought into play by newbies, you have non-generic items being horded by or only circulated among the more powerful characters, further contributing to keeping stronger players firmly in place. Was that the purpose of such programming? Just something that a few others and I were pondering... -------------------------- Message 4182 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 05:54:49 1998 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Durandal's post The Glimmers are tougher because of the new stat calculation. The Chimmy (in its 2 year+ history) often spends periods attacking everybody and then periods not attacking anyone. The wheel is dangerous. If you see the Chim run. Is this fair to newbies? Not really. Most of my alts can't even kill it. -------------------------- Message 4183 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 05:57:57 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Reply to Styx Agreed, but this still leaves open the issue of fatigue... which makes it more difficult to hunt everywhere, certainly not just the wheel. -------------------------- Message 4184 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 07:49:36 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Durandal's post There are a few other places to hunt where your char is not attacked by wandering NPC's. One of em is the place in N'Orleans that Spiral created. The creatures, for most part are pretty tame and the taking of crystals is about the same as the plains. If you dont know where it is Clay will be more then happy to show you. Otherwise, spar baby! :) -------------------------- Message 4185 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 13:44:54 1998 EDT From: Zykk (#21824) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Fatigue... I happen to think that whatever was done to increase the fatigue, was overdone. I went out today to fight some easy (at least they used to be...) monsters, that I fight everyday. As it turns out, I was fainting after killing just three creatures. I happen to think that fatigue could be benificial, if not overdone. However, this is ridiculous... (Not meaning to sound like I'm flaming whoever did it...) ~Zykk -------------------------- Message 4186 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 14:23:32 1998 EDT From: Nomar (#17488) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Last Few I'd have to agree, it's so hard to spar now because after 5-10 minutes you start to drop your weapon and you have to either wait for the fatigue to go away or eat crystals (which are harder to get cause you can't unt as long). If the system is going to stay like this maybe fatigue should heal twice as fast as it does now or a command like rest that would get rid of it faster. Or maybe it could be changed so that the more skilled you are at a stat, it would take less exertion to use it? That might be hard to code, but I'm not sure. The Retarded Nomar! -------------------------- Message 4187 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 14:43:21 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: That damn fatigue... Yes yes yes, more complaints, but I felt I had to get a word in. This morning I noted that my stats suck. Not that anybody cares, but this makes it absolutely necessary to spar because it's much harder to bring your stats up by fighting NPC monsters, because then you're totally unsafe, and every swing you take gives you two points of fatigue. So when I sparred, I could not boost because every couple of minutes I would drop my rapier, or I would have a lack of boosting altogether, forcing me to eat crystals. Fatigue is a good idea, but it is too one-sided and though it was created most likely to add realism to the MUE, it seems almost unrealistic because this really puts a damper on everything....I for one would like to the 'faitgue' effects taken away while fighting altogether, but if that's not possible, I would happier with what others have suggested here, which is either bringing the degree of the fatigue down, or having it be healed much faster. The way I see it, faitgue is being used in the sense that your are getting tired and therefore less capable in combat from constantly swinging your swords or whatever. But I would think that in order for it to be _more_ realistic, it would heal within minutes, if even, because fighting a battle with two cainids, for example, could be like running a mile. You would have to catch your breath afterwards. This doesn't seem to be helping newbies, either, like myself, as others have made a point of. There. That's my BS opinion, in case anyone cares. --Ulfwerner, funky monkey -------------------------- Message 4188 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 14:46:58 1998 EDT From: Venom (#20510) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yep, More Fatigue Its a damn good idea, more realistic, but maybe even 1 fatique for every 5 swings or something. I mean if your playing golf you usually take around 80-100 strokes a game, you don't drop your clubs after a swing cause your tired.. Thats All. -------------------------- Message 4189 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 14:48:55 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Venom's post Heh. That'd be like getting tired from cutting bread or something. ;) -------------------------- Message 4190 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 16:00:37 1998 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Fatigue... Actually, Venom, swinging Clubs at golf balls is just a WEEEEE bit different then swinging a 5-25lb weapon at big nasty monsters that want to kill you...See, you have adrenaline, and once that is worn out you get REALLY tired, and tend to want to sit down somewhere...hence Fatigue... -------------------------- Message 4191 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 16:08:19 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Fatigue If I was to play golf I'd drop my clubs.. And also I have played and seen guys play in the SCA swinging large clubs at each other for hours on end wearing up to 90lbs or more of armor and very few dropped their weapons.. Its called being in shape. And I imagin if your out hunting and you can't swing more than three times at a critter you must be a little old lady. Any how, I don't really have a opinion on this subject other than lets see what happens. I would imagin that a sword wielding person would have the ability to last more than a few swings. Rob -------------------------- Message 4192 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 16:12:01 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re Golf Also, if you are swinging the golf club 100 times or more, even in 18 Holes..you should find a teacher! -------------------------- Message 4193 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 16:13:16 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Golf I was swinging and my club when loose and hit the teacher.. Killed the poor bastard.. Thats why I drop my clubs. -------------------------- Message 4194 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 16:13:44 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Well I have to throw my opinion in, because I'm ALWAYS right! I like fatigue on general principle, but... That fact that stats are already insanely diverse makes it truly impossible for newbies to succeed now. Something -has- to be done about that, or you'll lose new players -------------------------- Message 4195 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 18:01:46 1998 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: is this a call for another .... leveling ? H -------------------------- Message 4196 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 18:02:35 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) I will personally kill the first person who suggests a leveling. Because once it happens, I won't be able to kill anyone. Heh. -------------------------- Message 4197 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 18:03:50 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Last... Hey, shut up, you're dead! *grin* -------------------------- Message 4198 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 18:05:51 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ahem Although, I do agree with Rathe, leveling would suck :) -------------------------- Message 4199 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 18:08:43 1998 EDT From: DemonWolf (#13247) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: fatigue..! I like the idea of fatigue... its great for a number of reasons. But I was just wondering if with fatigue going up would boosting be more substantial since you would be er, building muscles etc... if this does happen then I would guess that fatigue would be less affective or affect to a lesser degree, because ya getting fitter...? hrm heh, even though Zorn KO'ed me, and I was out cold for like nearly 30 minutes (which is a bit extreme) its a good idea... hehehee All *Flames to Rathe, thanx. more flames please! -------------------------- Message 4200 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 19:39:21 1998 EDT From: Waydown (#22209) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I agree with Red Has alot to do with being in shape, how bout making it easier for people with high endurance? It's my highest attribute, so I think that'd be cool :) Yep. -------------------------- Message 4201 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 19:40:35 1998 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: fatigue How much fatigue you take is determined by your strength. Whether or not you drop a weapon or fall unconscious from fatigue is determined by endurance. -------------------------- Message 4202 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 19:42:07 1998 EDT From: Menroth (#14123) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: fatigue I don't see how swinging a weapon once would give you any fatigue at all if you have good strength. -------------------------- Message 4203 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 20:13:02 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: from my experience a few minutes ago. After slaying 4 beasties, and with a strength of 41, I had only 12 fatigue, and I was using a katana. I guess the katana has low exertion (never bothered to check), so I might just be blowing it out my ears. Ake -------------------------- Message 4204 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 20:26:39 1998 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: fatigue, swinging Swinging a weapon once *is* fatiguing. Each moreso. You don't FEEL it until after a few swings. -------------------------- Message 4205 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 20:31:52 1998 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: more fatigue I invite all of you to grab a butter knife or broomstick and swing/thrust/stab it about a hundred times while jumping around like a maniac. Now imagine you'll die if you stop, and be maimed if you slow down. -------------------------- Message 4206 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 20:33:24 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Thanks Quinn Now my brother is jumping up and down out side flailing a broom in one hand and a butter knife in the other. -------------------------- Message 4207 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 20:34:22 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Heh heh heh... Your brother sounds like a guy who's fun at parties, Anubis. -------------------------- Message 4208 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 17 20:35:00 1998 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Heh, I was afraid that would happen. Don't worry-- wielding a broom with such frequency, he'll be KO'd in a few rounds anyway. -------------------------- Message 4210 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 00:21:55 1998 EDT From: Slant (#18192) To: *Chat (#5391) I ment does fatigue affect MONSTERS. Arg. ;) -------------------------- Message 4211 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 00:30:01 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: One side effect of fatigue that *i've* noted It sure does cause certain ppl to be exceedingly irritated to people trying to RP. Please, polite players refr\ain from ordering SEVEN MILLION fatigue-quenching drinks from Oz when folk are RPing in the lounge. Thanks! -Jess -------------------------- Message 4212 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 00:30:43 1998 EDT From: Slant (#18192) To: *Chat (#5391) So let's just take it into our our hands and kill a player. ;) -------------------------- Message 4213 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 00:30:51 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Er. Sorry.. typing in an irritated hurry. The first line ought to have said "exceedingly irritatING". -J. -------------------------- Message 4214 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 01:01:48 1998 EDT From: Williker (#20481) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: IMPALED MILK! IMPALED MILK is the best band in the world!!! GO TO THERE PAGE! DO IT!! DO IT NOW!!! http://members.tripod.com/~malorkus/ -------------------------- Message 4215 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 02:27:24 1998 EDT From: Kzin (#5800) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Fatigue doubling for mages Off of *ideas. One word: Why? -------------------------- Message 4216 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 02:40:48 1998 EDT From: Mulder (#709) To: *Chat (#5391) Because mages are pansies. Hahahahahahahahahahaha. -------------------------- Message 4217 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 02:42:20 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Mulder is a ...... MAGE! THEREFORE MULDER IS A PANSIE. Hahahahahahahahahahahahah -------------------------- Message 4218 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 02:43:25 1998 EDT From: Xiara (#14877) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Good use OF that Strong deductive logic there Dante... *snort* -------------------------- Message 4219 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 02:58:15 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Hee hee. Silly mages. Trix are for druids. -------------------------- Message 4220 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 03:19:23 1998 EDT From: Waydown (#22209) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Question Does the amount of armour and clothing you are wearing have any affect on the amount of fatigue you receive after swinging? Just wondering. -------------------------- Message 4221 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 04:24:07 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yet more complaining! One thing that's kind of annoying: you get fatigue (thought at a smaller rate, I noticed) from _throwing_. Flicking little daggers/throwing starts/etc. at people, for crisake... I just hope you don't get fatigue from shooting a gun. --Durandal Self-Appointed Whiner -------------------------- Message 4222 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 09:51:19 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Whine whine whine.... I used to be open-minded to the suggestions of toning down the effects of fatigue...Now I'm just gonna go ape-shit! Fatigue completely blows. I can't do shit, since ath this rate I'm never gonna have enough strength to not drop my damn rapier after taking 7 swings. Cheap shit. This fatigue, as I and many others have said before, makes the game incredibly shitty in the sense that you have people walking into bars ordering 29 drinks to f*** up RP, and then when you're trying to hunt, normally easy beasts are demi-gods. I'd like to just make a point of something....I'd like all staff members to maybe make an NPC or something with my stats, then send it out to hunt on GW, or even N'orleans. Yeah, try it. The staff _should_ know what this shit is like. Quinn? YOU should know too! You're not a suck-ass newbie. This is making it increasingly difficult for me and other newbies and veterans (from what I understand) alike to be able to really do anything...hunts last about 5 minutes. Like the cliche with that organization concerned with child welfare, 'newbies are our future'. As bullshit as that may sound, it's kind of true. Even _more_ players would be cool, and I doubt fatigue will turn them onto GW. Ah well, all I can do is suggest....but i think our opinions are all the same (or at least the ICers/RPers). Fatigue sucks. [to -The]: only one who could/would keep bitching about fatigue, Ulfy. -------------------------- Message 4223 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 09:53:14 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: My post Hey wow, the last line got screwed over....who cares. -------------------------- Message 4224 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 10:04:06 1998 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: fatigue I did try, Ulfwerner. Yesterday, as my non-privileged character. It took me an hour to kill a mini-rex, but that was because I'm really weak. I did drop my weapon a lot, but usually didn't notice and kept fighting with (and boosting Unarmed/Brawl with) my fists. Honestly, it was a lot of fun, even with all the dropping. -------------------------- Message 4225 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 10:05:51 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Of course it was, quinn.... Because you're a sado-masochist, obviously...get out the black vinyl and punish me. ;) Right now, I'm just ignoring the thing, and I've gone back to fighting shitty things in N'Orleans. -------------------------- Message 4226 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 10:07:54 1998 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) I was probably dropping things because I have an Endurance of 48. -------------------------- Message 4227 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 13:03:26 1998 EDT From: Waydown (#22209) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Anyone else notice. It's too hard to boost now, I counted 22 swings before I dropped my blade yesterday and I need about 5 times that to even get a single boost. I guess I should start sparring up brawl unless we can drop our fists too. :) Ah well... goodtimes. -------------------------- Message 4228 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 13:28:03 1998 EDT From: Sanchez (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Drinks. If anyone orders more then three drinks from me, I'm going to beat them. He forewarned. -------------------------- Message 4229 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 15:17:51 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Sanchez Clay toddles off to vist San for a beating :) -------------------------- Message 4230 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 15:18:19 1998 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Awright Fuck it! Okay Dad, fatigue is a bit out of hand. I have to agree with the bazillion of other posts saying the same thing over and over. I mean, look. I was out on the wheel just a bit ago. I had my volkswagen beetle wielded, (which I only use when I want to really squash something and FYI this is the old beetle not that new space age one!) and I couldn't even get off more then one swing before I dropped it! Course I killed the damn thing anyway, but that is not the point. So I changed tactics, I got out my telephone pole. I figured surely this thing would help me last longer, I mean its only wood right? Guess what? One swing again and I was dropping it. Whatupwitdat?!?!? (Please note insert tongue firmly in cheek or wherever your favorite place to insert your tongue is.) Fatigue is probably here to stay. Now, I agree that perhaps it should be toned down a little. The players are not normal people, they are superhuman. So fatigue right now might be set up for mere mortals and not above average olympic medalist mortals. The point? Chill with the damn whining. WE got the picture already. Styx looking for that Gatorade(tm). -------------------------- Message 4231 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 16:41:43 1998 EDT From: Skywalker (#6644) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: kitties Just wondering if the staff plans on cleaning up the feenids on the wheel...this is what, the second or third time they got out by 'accident'? -------------------------- Message 4232 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 16:42:02 1998 EDT From: Menroth (#14123) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Shouldn't Shouldn't Generic Drinks have the same effect on fatigue that oz's drinks do? -------------------------- Message 4233 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 16:43:35 1998 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: feenids I let them out when Imoved an ahab of mine that was blocking an exit sorry they are back on the farm now. -------------------------- Message 4234 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 17:12:35 1998 EDT From: Kzin (#5800) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Fatigue, generic drinks Well, problem is, people can get thier generic drink back, make it into as many drink as they want then you'll see people swing, drink, swing, drink, for hours, while hunting Just another trigger on thier terminal y'see? -------------------------- Message 4235 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 17:32:36 1998 EDT From: Menroth (#14123) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: so. How is that any different from stocking up on Oz drinks? -------------------------- Message 4236 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 17:34:12 1998 EDT From: Kzin (#5800) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Heh It isn't You should have a limit on how many Oz drinks you can snag, too. Or drinks, period After all, who can walk around with 20 glasses of 'water' that cures fatigue? Not easily. Public warning: If I find that OZ can't serve me my ale, I'll find whoever has all the drinks and beat them to bloody statless mush! -------------------------- Message 4237 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 21:25:22 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: feenids Put em on Dixie...please, oh please, oh please. (thats me begging. heh) -------------------------- Message 4238 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 22:39:52 1998 EDT From: Darius_Lee (#10280) To: *Chat (#5391) Just a quick news flash about my life since I've poofed and I know few of you care. But I've started back to school shopping again. My mother bought me numerous nightclothes ranging from prudish to exotic which is amusing because I think she's trying to get me laid :P. BUt its fun anyways., I can play dress up only that I sleep instead of going out. Besides the weird shopping habits of my mother nothing interesting has happened. Well I did wreck my car but that was awhile ago. I did slave away in a theater for 16 horus a day 7 days a week but that was even more longer ago.... why doesn't that sound grammatically correct.... WEll to all those I haven't talked to I hope your doing well. This Darius Lee, moppet, signing out. -------------------------- Message 4239 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 18 22:42:13 1998 EDT From: Williker (#20481) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ANSI! anyone where I can get a patch to put ansi in an existing MOO? -------------------------- Message 4240 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 19 14:07:43 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Fatigue I haven't had a problem with it at all.. I am smarter than most though.. If ya don't wanna get worn out don't move so much ya sillies.. Let the ladies do all the work! Red -------------------------- Message 4241 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 19 16:55:46 1998 EDT From: Breast_Fetishist (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) Fatigue just sounds like something inane like encumberance, but it has good intentions at trying to level the playing field. It's just there to frustrate new characters or those who didn't take the time in the PEC to @reroll over and over until they had 65-80 in every stat. For established characters it might add flavor to their sparring/hunting/combat but hardly become the speedbump that it could be for new players. I feel the system was better when it was uneven and anyone with a month to spare could get close or near 500's in combat skills and maybe a 60 dodge & 30 shock. -------------------------- Message 4242 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 19 19:25:02 1998 EDT From: Caffeenid (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Sorry, can't resist. Dear Breast Fetishist: I am a living example of fatigue and encumbrance. You see, I fit your little fetish, and damn these things are heavy. Think about adding an extra 30 pounds or so to everything you have to lift, every time you need to sit, stand, blah blah blah. I know I tire out pretty quickly 'cause of what I *cough* carry around with me, and it does mean I need to rest every once in a while for a drink. And hey... I've trained with a halberd. You try it and see how fast you tire out. *wink* Sorry. Had to be said. -me. -------------------------- Message 4243 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 19 20:22:46 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: fatigue Well, I brought out a weaker alt yesterday to see how bad this whole fatigue thing was. It really kind of sucks Mister Quinn. Newer and weaker players will never be able to gather crystals, cause every time they kill a beast they must eat those crystals to cure the fatigue. Kind of a catch 22 me thinks. And it sort of leaves the door wide open for cheats, stronger alts gathering crystals, feeding them to weaker alts. Not that I would ever do that. heh. Plus if you look at it realistically, using a chain saw irl will make you tired, but not the first time you use it, and certainly not in the first 5 minutes...perhaps 15 or 20 minutes into cutting firewood you might take a break, have a beer, strip your shirt off and clean the sweat off your face. In my three years of living in the woods, I have never once dropped my saw, nor an ax or fallen asleep while using these items. Thank you, and I will now be changing my name to huge penis fetish. -------------------------- Message 4244 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 20 00:35:19 1998 EDT From: Breast_Fetishist (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) I'm sorry I gave my 2 cents on fatigue so early. I would like to suggest playing with the fatigue for a while. I do know that established characters (sometimes going against alignment) will help out new people. I would suggest kicking the tires of fatigue for a bit and seeing if it's really that much of a bother after some sparring and such. Or not. -------------------------- Message 4245 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 20 22:00:00 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Looking for... The usual. Gyroslug bullets. If you have _any_, I want to buy them. -------------------------- Message 4246 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 20 22:27:11 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Wanted: Steel claws. Name your price. -------------------------- Message 4247 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 21 02:58:11 1998 EDT From: Williker (#20481) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: polymer body armor its not badass anymore, but still decent. my price is 20k, page me with offers. -------------------------- Message 4248 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 21 03:17:40 1998 EDT From: Williker (#20481) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Polymer Polymer is sold. -------------------------- Message 4249 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 21 13:50:30 1998 EDT From: Jeo (#24369) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: wanted I'd like to get my hands on a throwing dagger if there is one someone would be willing to sell. Page me with your price. Jeo -------------------------- Message 4250 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 21 17:27:45 1998 EDT From: Breast_Fetishist (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) I'm surprised that Spiral didn't celebrate getting a magic number on *chat with her post. -------------------------- Message 4251 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 21 19:58:56 1998 EDT From: Breast_Fetishist (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) 3883. -------------------------- Message 4252 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 22 05:14:28 1998 EDT From: Yokuni (#20192) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Would somebody get that damn pentagram out of the R/T lounge? Would somebody get that damn pentagram out of the R/T lounge?!?!?!?! -------------------------- Message 4253 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 22 05:15:54 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: last Where else can we perform our rituals of satanic worship? -------------------------- Message 4254 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 22 06:10:56 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Storming Shadowguard! Anya says, "lets do it." You say, "no, can't right now I've gotta get some milk for the wife and told the kids I'd bring them some treats." -------------------------- Message 4255 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 22 11:22:51 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: For sale: A goddamn trident and some goddamn football pads. Page me with offers, or page me with what you might trade for it, preferably a firearm with ammo (a cheaper one of course), or a good blade or two. Or if I'm desperate....armor. Better armor. -------------------------- Message 4256 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 22 11:39:37 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The damn trident.... Bleah, the trident is worth more. Page me a serious offer ;)..... After all, this bitch can take down just about anything with two hits to the chest. Heh heh. -------------------------- Message 4257 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 22 13:13:27 1998 EDT From: Stalinger (#657) To: *mages (#11664), *mage-masters (#13453), *Chat (#5391), and *Gamemasters (#2560) Subject: Mage Applicants Apologies in advance for the cross-posting and the broken record here, but... There ARE a set of guidelines for mage applicants publicly available in the game file "mage entry notes" (i.e. type 'game mage entry notes') and have been for quite some time. If you direct anyone towards application in the class, instead of just sending them off to *mage-applicants without half a clue of what they need to provide, PLEASE tell them to look at this file. I'm not going to be a hard-ass about every piece of information in it being required, but I do think it is reasonable for people to really consider what they intend to do with their characters before letting them into the class and what I really want to see is proof of the fact that they've done just that, not just their personal character history. Not that there is anything wrong with including a history, because it does shed some light on the nature of their character, but I really want to see consideration of a character's place in the MOO and the future, since that will ultimately dictate what they do here. Again, PLEASE forward new applicants to the game file 'mage entry notes'. Thank you. -Stalinger -------------------------- Message 4258 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 22 20:21:02 1998 EDT From: Bishamon (#23011) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Anyone with medical knowledge.. If anyone out there has any information/knows anything on Larsen Syndrome, please mail me. -------------------------- Message 4259 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 22 20:38:18 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: For sale Chainsaw Mail/page me with offers. -------------------------- Message 4260 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 22 21:33:30 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: CD-RW Anyone ever use one to make a music CD and it not work? It'll platy in the CDRW drive, but when put in normal CD players it spits it out. Maybe try a DR-C? just looking if this has ever happened, on and this is a Phillips one so maybe they're just pieces of cow. On top of that any suggestions of good programs to make CD music copys would be great too, thankee. -------------------------- Message 4261 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 22 21:34:09 1998 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Good CD copies Get a mini-disc player/recorder. -------------------------- Message 4262 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 23 02:45:09 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: In the rare event you give a damn... .. I will be gone from tomorrow until Tuesday to go to San Diego with some friends from out of town. (This waste of space has been presented to you by DURANDAL: "Smarter than the average ranger!") -------------------------- Message 4263 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 23 23:36:44 1998 EDT From: Darius_Lee (#10280) To: *Chat (#5391) I would like to take a survey of how many people here thinK I should shave my head for an aids charity fun raiser??? -------------------------- Message 4264 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 23 23:37:36 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Darius's hair I think it would be a hoot.. I want pictures though :) Uncle Red -------------------------- Message 4265 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 23 23:37:55 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Dari All I can say is GI Jane. Make sure you don't have a bumpy skull though. Ew. -------------------------- Message 4266 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 23 23:39:16 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: bumpy skulls Thats a sign of a good lover.. Least that is what my girl friend use to say when she would hit me over the head after I was making love with her best friend.. -------------------------- Message 4267 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 23 23:39:52 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: previous I really did make that up.. Was kinda funny huh?? -------------------------- Message 4268 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 23 23:53:24 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Images and such.. Plus Kzin Here is the link.. Have fun.. bad scan but I will get another soon.. He's a good looking kid.. http://www.thuntek.net/~redfang/images2.html Red -------------------------- Message 4269 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 24 00:35:36 1998 EDT From: Yokuni (#20192) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: One quick rant. 17 people on (that arn't hidden), only 4 of them IC (besides me), 1 of those is hunting and the rest are in seperat privet quarters. DOES NOBODY ROLEPLAY ANYMORE!!!!!! Ok, I'm done. -------------------------- Message 4270 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 24 00:38:35 1998 EDT From: Bishamon (#23011) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re:Yokuni No. No one Roleplays. Get over it. -------------------------- Message 4271 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 24 01:08:38 1998 EDT From: Draven (#20327) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Pictures If any of you are masochistic enough to actually wonder what I look like, I finally got off my lazy ass and scanned a picture. http://www.fyi.net/~draven/draven.jpg View with caution. -------------------------- Message 4272 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 24 01:26:14 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Draven's Photo I took the photo so the genius should be attributed to me. And for those of you who think he's sexy...Sucky Baby's taken. Got that Ed? ;) -------------------------- Message 4273 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 24 02:25:32 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) Wanted: Destiny If you have it I would like to buy/trade for it Give me a page or mail. -------------------------- Message 4274 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 24 10:59:30 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Tool Saw Tool last night :) Fabulous, besides the fact I literally had to crawl, fight and finally be lifted out of the pit. One of my buddies, Peter, was smashed up in the front as was stuck for there entire show, finally found him curled up in a phone booth lookin like a drowned rat. But it was worth it, God what a show. Oh, and the Melvins suck. -------------------------- Message 4275 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 24 18:26:54 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Atts. Since they were changed, will extreme creations with 100+ stats be changed now? Dragons were sick enough before this for example and can now KO people for days on end with their strength bonus. -------------------------- Message 4276 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 24 19:10:28 1998 EDT From: Naxos (#9972) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: looking for.... nunchukas -------------------------- Message 4277 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 24 22:49:25 1998 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Dragons Actually, if a dragon couldn't hit you before. It still can't you now. The only difference is, you will need alot more damage to kill one. -------------------------- Message 4278 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 24 22:52:09 1998 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: WEB page Okay, there are five new pics on the page. Updated Murdock/Devon/Tarla & Jelal/Sionell/Rand So stop buggin me about em now! ;) -------------------------- Message 4279 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 24 22:52:25 1998 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: WEBpage Oh yeah, its at www.nexus.net/~bholmes -------------------------- Message 4280 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 02:09:07 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Quick Survey How do you feel about Public Displays of Affection? When and where do you draw the line? Not to be confused with exhibitionism. -------------------------- Message 4281 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 02:09:49 1998 EDT From: Draven (#20327) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: PDOA I think you know where I stand. ;> -------------------------- Message 4282 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 02:12:02 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: in public or on moo ? "In public, kissing is cool and hugging and all that Rot, but fuck, when you're trying to have a conversation with someone its damn annoying. Its nice to see people digging one another but eating one anothe ris too much. And always, if they're out fucking, I do'nt want to see it. Especially if they're ugly " "On the moo? Adri... I don't want to see you licking draven over the channels.. thats just eerie. send doh forgot how i was sending this -------------------------- Message 4283 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 02:12:47 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) *licks Draven and Sue both* -------------------------- Message 4284 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 02:13:46 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Do what you want to each other, I just don't want to hear sickeningly sweet phrases like "Honey Lump" or "Sucky Daddy" or whatever that freaky stuff was. -------------------------- Message 4285 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 02:14:10 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Heh I can't remember the last time I licked Draven over a channel actually. But I do suppose you're right. It is better to WHISPER my come-ons, eh? ;) That is, if there are any. -------------------------- Message 4286 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 02:14:22 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Agreed I think the phrases are even sicker than the PDA.. Oy -------------------------- Message 4287 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 02:15:20 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Agreed there. Sucky Baby is a bit much. -------------------------- Message 4288 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 02:15:46 1998 EDT From: Caffeenid (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: "Bleah. Text affection is fine. I just don't like being drooled on in public. (Yes. *GASP* It does happen.) In any case... well... just don't drool on me in public and all is well. I don't care much if other people are doing so -- unless they're the only other 2 people in the room with me. Then I expect to be invited in. -------------------------- Message 4289 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 02:18:42 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: PDOA My question was in reference to RL btw - got some good responses via page. Thanks. As for the pet names, point taken. -------------------------- Message 4290 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 03:17:37 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Wedding Gift Any ideas for a neat wedding gift? Not too expensive, not cheap. Umm, something out of the ordinary that's not useless. -------------------------- Message 4291 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 03:19:54 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) A gilt foot. Yes, a foot. A real foot. Dipped in gold. -------------------------- Message 4292 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 03:20:51 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Severed head. Any head. Dirt cheap if you do it yourself. -------------------------- Message 4293 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 03:21:13 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) I like my idea better -------------------------- Message 4294 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 04:57:37 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Atts. So what does that tell ya ??? Don't fuck with dragons! You know better than to step out in front of a speeding bus don't ya?? Its common sence.. Think about it. Red. -------------------------- Message 4295 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 04:58:54 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Some of us prefer to make the bus get out of our way. :) -------------------------- Message 4296 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:01:49 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Bus Yep, and they call those kinda people AOL members. Congrats Rathe.. *winks* -------------------------- Message 4297 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:07:16 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Or on a place like GW, they call themselves wicked-nasty adepts :) -------------------------- Message 4298 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:15:49 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) I thought that was just guys who are short with pointy ears? -------------------------- Message 4299 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:20:12 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Don't talk about Kzin that way, Red. -------------------------- Message 4300 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:22:37 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) *chuckles* Sorry.. I couldn't help it.. But then again he's cute for a adept.. Not so troll like looking as yourself.. But honestly if you wanna chase buses thats your business.. Red -------------------------- Message 4301 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:23:07 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Don't speak ill of the dead. -------------------------- Message 4302 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:24:16 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Was I now?? I thought it was that you just had not showered in days.. Hmm.. Couldn't tell.. You have that personality about ya.. So when ya gonna get better? -------------------------- Message 4303 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:26:41 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Yeah, it's actual decomposition..not just B.O. -------------------------- Message 4304 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:27:38 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Ah.. I reckon in the Adept world that is about the same. So, can I have your stuff?? -------------------------- Message 4305 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:28:27 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Already gave it all away :) -------------------------- Message 4306 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:29:47 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) *sniffles* and you didn't leave anything to your best buddy Red?? I'm hurt.. After all you are the godfather of me children! What about them the poor little rats.. They need ya! -------------------------- Message 4307 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:30:41 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Well, last I checked Ash was drying to claim Rathe's kingdom for himself :) Dunno about Rosa... -------------------------- Message 4308 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:31:55 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) I can handle them rug rats.. So we'll see.. I reckon its My R/T building again huh :) -------------------------- Message 4309 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:32:27 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) You got it ;) -------------------------- Message 4310 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:33:03 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) So, do you suppose people are getting aggravated at us posting this conversation? -------------------------- Message 4311 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:34:43 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Nah -------------------------- Message 4312 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:34:47 1998 EDT From: Mulder (#709) To: *Chat (#5391) Please children. If you wish to play, please retire to the garden. The 'adults' are trying desperately to idle. -------------------------- Message 4313 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:35:35 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) I'm goin to sleep. Love ya Mulder! -------------------------- Message 4314 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 05:36:30 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Me too, er I'm going to go get more coffee thats it.. Then I'm going to go smoke.. Then I'm going to come back and harass the ladies.. Yeah thats it.. Garden?? where? -------------------------- Message 4315 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 11:40:58 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Nothing should be invincible, even in all other fantasies dragons were able to be slain by even a magical sword. As we all know now dragons can't even be hit by a sword, for a short time there LAW rockets could torch them, but thats not going to happen with the new atts, no chance of it in fact. So could someone, though I doubt it's going to happen as usual, make them more realistic where at least a example of the strongest swordsman with the best sword can actually hit them through their damn armor. -------------------------- Message 4316 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 13:30:06 1998 EDT From: Naxos (#9972) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Close Out. For sale, chainsaw. You've always wanted one now you can have it for a mere price of 10k. Also 10 plasma charges, have a laser and need ammo? Only 750 crystals for all, otherwise they're 100 a piece. Ever want to swim with the fishies? Now's your chance a diving mask complete with air inside already and an extra air cartridge, only 1500 crystals! Ever have the urge to stab someone in the eye from a distance? Well heres your chance a throwing dagger for only 1000 crystals. All prices are non neogtiable and no refunds accepted. Package deals and trades are always welcome. -------------------------- Message 4317 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 16:21:35 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Dragons The dragons are being worked on. This has been mentioned before. Dragons have alot of dragon parts. Each one has to be readjusted, tested. This is being done. Slowly, but done none-the-less. Now at the moment Quinn's new changes are still be tested on the Moo, adjusted also possibly. So I am not eager to set something definite that will Again have to be changed in a week more or less. Give it a rest. They will be fixed. They will not be turned into whussy critters, but they will be killable. So hold yer britches on, please. *PBHTS!* -------------------------- Message 4318 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 18:42:09 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: [Ariadne (#20332): PowerMac G3 -- 333 MT] Date: Tue Aug 25 17:41:25 1998 CDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: Ariadne (#20332) Subject: PowerMac G3 -- 333 MT 128 MB 9GB UW 24xCD 6MB video SGRAM $4999.99 Now, the 300 is $3999.99 with 64 MB/8GB/Zip Drive Epson 1500 Color Stylus $1200 (prints posters?) Sony 500PS 21" $2599.99 19" $1649.99 17" $1299.99 4.0 Studio Star (scanner) $1119.99 Digital Camera - Epson Photo PC 700 $1000 How does this all sound? -------------------------- Message 4319 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 18:45:59 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) I can bet it'd be at least $2k cheaper if you went PC -------------------------- Message 4320 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 18:48:51 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: BTW PC 450 HP Pavilion 8390 $4299.99 450 MHZ MMX 128 MB 10.2 GB HD DVD Rom 56K Modem Win 98 More Epson 300 Stylus Printer -------------------------- Message 4321 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 18:50:18 1998 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: stats Tweaked the stat bonuses again, this time to reduce the penalties. The bonuses are the same. Also tweaked the @reroll code to allow for starting attributes as high as 85. The primary argument against the new bonuses seems to be that older players have an advantage. Only a handful of players have stats higher than 100. Of those that do, the bonus really doesn't make much of a difference considering how high their skills are. I think the new bonuses BENEFIT younger players, as they allow them to receive bonuses when they'll really be a help to their starting skills. Regardless, tweaking will continue. Thanks for everyone's comments. (Sterno's prompted me to do the latest tweaking, though it didn't directly address his concerns.) -------------------------- Message 4322 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 18:51:32 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Monitors Think I'd go 19" btw. -------------------------- Message 4323 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 19:47:13 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: FYI my homies. Hurricane Bonnie is predicted to hit landfall later on tonight and into the morning hours, so I'm not sure how long I'll be offline. Just so ya'll don't start worrying and all. If it doesn't hit (highly unlikely), well, this post is null and void! yeah, that's it. Ake -------------------------- Message 4324 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 19:52:36 1998 EDT From: Xiara (#14877) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I had to.. This is so fucking stupid its funny. IF you know the guy who wrote this, .... well I pity you. http://www.null.org/psychoceramics/collection/secret-underground-world-society.1.html Read it, laugh and choose your team. Either you're red or blue baby... *Grin* Xiara -. -------------------------- Message 4325 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 20:26:49 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: #1119 on *ideas What fun would it be then? you are just invincible again and you don't need to worry about who you pick fights with. Ake -------------------------- Message 4326 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 21:37:42 1998 EDT From: Xiara (#14877) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Another really good site If you're interested in some of the highlight papers of information ( Timothy Leary's conciousness papers, Mary Jane factual stuff , Hacking/phreaking, FOIA, anarchy, Unix, WArfare, smartcards, etc ) go to this site. Its one of those nice compolations of information. http://www.flashback.se/archive/manual.html I recommend anyone who wants to know, read some of this. Some is a little far fetched, but some of the papers in its inclusion are very educational. -------------------------- Message 4327 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 21:44:05 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Someone just forwarded this to me...translation of personal ads: >Translations for ads by women: >40-ish: 48 >Adventurer: Has had more partners than you ever will >Athletic: Flat-chested >Average-looking: Ugly >Beautiful: Pathological liar >Contagious Smile: Bring your penicillin >Educated: College dropout >Emotionally secure: Medicated >Free spirit: Substance user >Friendship first: Trying to live down reputation as slut >Fun: Annoying >Gentle: Comatose >Good Listener: Borderline autistic >New-Age: All body hair, all the time >Old-fashioned: Lights out, missionary position only >Open-minded: Desperate >Outgoing: Loud >Passionate: Loud >Poet: Depressive schizophrenic >Redhead: Shops the Clairol section >Romantic: Looks better by candlelight >Wants Soul Mate: One step away from stalking -------------------------- Message 4328 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 22:04:14 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Quinn's post Hey, Quinn all mighty God, if I whine really really loud can I get a tweak and a bonus too? -------------------------- Message 4329 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 22:07:17 1998 EDT From: Bishamon (#23011) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *grins at Clayson* ...If you whine really loud, I might refer you to a good plastic surgeon... -------------------------- Message 4330 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 23:17:29 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Bish hmmm.....ok, that way I too can have giant tits...just like you! -------------------------- Message 4331 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 23:49:44 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: Quinn (#2) and *Chat (#5391) Subject: Reroll. Seems you took out the 'total' points in @reroll, think it could be put back, it was mucho helpful ;) -------------------------- Message 4332 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Aug 25 23:54:15 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Powermac sounds good considering your giving us Canadian prices.. Sounds like a good machine.. Red -------------------------- Message 4333 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 00:00:29 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: @reroll Seems to be too much of a stat imbalance with reroll with the new 85, I keep getting rolls like this. AGILITY : 85 (+ 34) DEXTERITY : 85 (+ 34) ENDURANCE : 47 (- 1) QUICKNESS : 40 (- 6) STRENGTH : 37 (- 9) WILLPOWER : 44 (- 3) The ability to get an average roll is seemingly impossiblye, it keeps setting one too high and the rest too low, a more equalizing method is needed since if I were making a character I would want a more balanced one. -------------------------- Message 4334 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 00:41:59 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: STuff Still looking for steel claws. And a trisk, too -------------------------- Message 4335 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 01:23:31 1998 EDT From: Uno (#6614) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Looking For Shotgun Any Magical Weapons Crystals I am selling some stuff so come buy. -Uno -------------------------- Message 4336 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 01:34:12 1998 EDT From: Toraxyn (#19315) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re:Uno and shotguns I will pay 2k more for a shotgun than Uno will, regardless. *grin* -------------------------- Message 4337 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 01:36:21 1998 EDT From: Uno (#6614) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re:Toraxyn and 2k more I will kill anyone who sells a shotgun to Toraxyn. Good day citizens. -------------------------- Message 4338 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 01:37:18 1998 EDT From: Toraxyn (#19315) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Shotguns, etc. If you sell a shotgun to Uno, I will kill Uno, and then you. Have a cheery day -------------------------- Message 4339 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 01:38:10 1998 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Uh...Uno... I just sold Tor a shotgun...come try to kill me. -------------------------- Message 4340 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 02:35:59 1998 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Anyone have A field plate helm or similar head armour? thanks -Oberon -------------------------- Message 4341 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 08:05:08 1998 EDT From: Xiara (#14877) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: if You ever get bored http://www.arcwebserv.com/jumpsite/countrycode.html It is a javascript that identifies every coutnry that could have a designation. Silly but cool -------------------------- Message 4343 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 13:31:53 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: #1128 on *ideas Even though hunting is mindless and basically takes much longer to do now that the fatigue is in place, fighting a giant rat or a dragon/goat/lion beastie is the same thing as fighting a normal human, IF not tougher. You swing a chainsaw (a feat in itself at times), even against an ahab, you're bound to get fatigued. people complained about my scythes being too fatigue heavy, but hell, if you swing a five or six foot pole around with a heavy blade on the end five or six times, you are bound to get tired. Farmers do, even with the smaller versions of scythes. No point in making it so that you don't get fatigue from fighting ahabs. Ake -------------------------- Message 4344 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 13:33:14 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: last My argument isn't about the 'realness' of it, it's about the playability. -------------------------- Message 4345 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 13:33:51 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: last Who said this game was supposed to be easy? -------------------------- Message 4346 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 13:39:00 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Easy? No, simply cuts back on the time you have to spend to hunting. I wouldn't say it makes hunting more difficult, just longer. By playability I meant how much fun you're having. Then again, I never like hunting much in the first place, so maybe that's my problem. -------------------------- Message 4347 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 13:39:51 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Could be. Hunting was never a very "fun" thing to do, it was more of a "job", IMO. unless you're really into hunting, it prolly won't be very fun. -------------------------- Message 4348 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 13:41:11 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: last Yup, exactly. Why lengthen an activity that wasn't much fun to start with, even if it increases 'realness'? -------------------------- Message 4349 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 13:42:41 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: buutt At the same time, being annoyed by it because you know you pass out at every hit isn't a thing you want to do. Work or not. Frankly, if we wanted reality, we'd do this shit rl. I always look at it that way. We're not a normal breed of 'things'. We come here knowing and ( I think ) allowing a certain flexibility with our actions. Making us pass out, drop weapons and the like with every hit ( exaggeration ) is reality. This, is fiction. When I read fiction I like to believe that while its possible to do it RL, it still is a fantasy. *shrugs* -------------------------- Message 4350 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 14:46:27 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: fatigue Scythes are a bit high, btw. A scythe is hardly as heavy as, say, a broadsword. There's no reason to make it twice as 'hard' to swing. -------------------------- Message 4351 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 16:48:32 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: From the climbing discussion on *idea Oh, btw, I just remembered that we DID RP someone climbing the Mount, though he fell and we had to bring him up to the infirmiry. -------------------------- Message 4352 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 16:50:27 1998 EDT From: Kzin (#5800) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Erm Well, actually, having swung both a scythe and broadsword before, almost to the decapitation of my friend's stupid dog, I might add... A scythe =is= heavier, mainly due to the unwieldyness of using at as weapon, rather than the tool it was origionally intended as. -------------------------- Message 4353 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 17:00:10 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: On another note. Yeah, I've heard it's been coded, but not implemented. Why not? I imagine it's because of the difficulty involved, perhaps, but damn, it would probably spice this place up a lot. -------------------------- Message 4354 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 17:09:41 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: And on another unrelated note... I'm beginning to feel like the MOO Naysayer. My next post will be in total agreeance with something. Have a nice day :) -------------------------- Message 4355 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 17:12:50 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I had to I am the best in the world. -------------------------- Message 4356 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 17:47:32 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Kael is lame. -------------------------- Message 4357 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 17:58:04 1998 EDT From: Clockwork (#22209) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Scythes Wouldn't a scythe give less fatigue being a two handed weapon? The use of both hands would cut down the fatigue a great deal wouldn't it? -------------------------- Message 4358 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 20:19:29 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: some of the above. The only thing that will spice up this place is role-playing. I don't care how much coded goodies are made if nobody comes out to play their char, then it will still be a boring moo with lots of coded goodies. I think Quinn has done a wonderful job lately trying to bring this moo around, but still no matter what he or the other GM's do, ppl complain and whine. Give it up already, its only computer code, nothing more nothing less, but if you throw a little imagination in with it then it can be a kick in the ass. -------------------------- Message 4359 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Aug 26 20:48:17 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: WANTED Ball bearings, page or mail me. -------------------------- Message 4360 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 27 00:14:15 1998 EDT From: Williker (#20481) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Whee! Its my b-day. Now shower me with gifts or I'll kill you. -------------------------- Message 4361 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 27 02:18:51 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Back. I'm back, but still won't be on enough to do much for the rest of the week (for all three or so of you who might care)... anyway. I fulfilled my lifelong goal of riding up and down all 25 floors in an elevator for about fifteen minutes. Next goal: have sex in that very same elevator. Volunteers? -------------------------- Message 4362 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 27 08:04:18 1998 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: misc from *ideas Fatigue. I logged in as my unprivileged player and was able to do some boosting with a broadsword. I dropped it (a lot), but just kept punching with my fists. I think some of you are jaded with easy boosting from the past, or setting the macros to boost coordinates for an hour or so. This adds chaos, which adds realism, which will protect against future imbalances. I do agree that some of the weapons could probably use some fatigue tweaking. Will take a look at that. Bionics are coded? Anyone can slap together a few verbs and say they've "coded" anything. That doesn't mean it fits with the MOO, and it doesn't mean it's going to be adopted. That said, I don't recall any bionics code at all. No planned changes to death effects, and no limit on idling. Not sure why some people think idling is a bad thing... -------------------------- Message 4363 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 27 09:32:52 1998 EDT From: Bishamon (#23011) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Gone. Well, I'm leaving Ghostwheel. (Yeah yeah, you've heard it all before). Whether this is for a day, a week, a month, or five years, depends entirely on how long things take to straighten out for me. Whether i'm back or not, all I can say is that it was swell. I might pop in to RP here or there, if you know who I am as other characters, do feel free to say 'hi', but don't be pissed if I ignore you. Cheers to you all, Bish -------------------------- Message 4364 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 27 12:24:56 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Fatigue still. Look I know the idea is essentially good but no one and I do mean that in this game ever thinks of the newbies, I personally think that they're not going to stay here if the game, which combat is a part of, is so difficult. In the past week I've brought over 5 friends, they're telling me it's impossible to improve, and believe me I know for a fact that I have sparred people to average in about 2 hours per each stat and even then, they couldn't beat anything powerful on the game even then. So point to this whole rant is that no one is going to want to stay at a game where they'll never get any good, it's true no one without an oldbie to even spar them to average will *ever* get good. And even when they get to average they won't get any further because they can barely swing the sword anymore. It's a problem in my mind I want more players at Ghostwheel because it's really a great game but with this it's not going to work. -------------------------- Message 4365 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 27 13:11:01 1998 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Why did I see my own words from a different room? -------------------------- Message 4366 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 27 13:12:19 1998 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ooops this was supposed to be in it (north) A male voice from the south says, "blood!" -------------------------- Message 4368 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 27 13:16:12 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Ooops On occassion an exit will pick up things said from one room and spit it out to an adjoining room. That is, exits without actual doors. -------------------------- Message 4369 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 27 13:49:35 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: everything Williker.. I got a birthday gift for ya.. *grins* Bishamon.. Take care ya silly freak! Quinn.. You are too cool! Love the changes and none changes.. Keep up the good work!! You are god! Dragonbabe.. Lets party?? Dante... Shut the fuck up you freaky fellow.. Don't you know we like you only when you are taking out the trash?? Don't make trash! Jamie.. Get Nekied!! Rathe.. Take a bath!! Kzin.. Get laid already! Heretic.. Stop getting laid already!! The rest of you silly monkeys, keep it up!! Woo woo!! BTW.. Love ya all! Red Fang -------------------------- Message 4370 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Aug 27 23:43:59 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *offended* Gee thanks ROb for posting explicitly bad stuff about me, I appreciate it, even if you were kidding in some sick twisted way. -------------------------- Message 4371 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 28 06:21:15 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: *offended* yes, Dante does take out the trash!! WOO WOO.. He's the best at it too.. You silly little monkey.. Red -------------------------- Message 4372 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 28 06:33:04 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: War of 1812 http://www3.sympatico.ca/dis.general/1812art.htm Would ya look at this.. Them canadians braggin about this.. *snorts* Well its mostly british.. Actually is a very cool site.. I still am trying to find out if it was a American Pig or a Canadian pig. But plainly says here that the Canadians started it... Back to my research.. Red -------------------------- Message 4373 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 28 06:38:59 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: more 1812 here is another one.. http://loon.norlink.net/~jkeigher/1812.html Now this one actually has a line that says them Canadian's won the darn thing! -------------------------- Message 4374 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 28 06:48:49 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: More 1812 I quit.. I give up.. Them Canadians are pretty swell people.. I just found out the Americans where secretly supporting the French in the thing.. Damn.. If it was anyone but the French.. We should surrender now to Canada if we was doing that.. Not them Qubecians.. Them all French but we'll surrender to Brittish Columbia.. Red. -------------------------- Message 4375 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 28 07:45:57 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Welp Survived Hurricane Bonnie, was much tamer than Fran or Bertha.. power went out, lucky we had our 8k watt welding machine/generator to keep us in comfort ;) ANYHOW, power's restored, phones work again, and only damage we got was blown out underpenning. Yay Ake -------------------------- Message 4376 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 28 07:49:31 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Sterno's reference to "Virtually Useless code" about Mounts and whatnot. It wouldn't be "Virtually useless code" if you could throw an extra prop on the generic dragon, say "bondmate", have it set to the rider in person, and if looter (we'll call him "Bob"), decides to enter the .bondmate's room while .bondmate is disconnected, the dragon would attack him. Even though that's probably not what other people were really thinking of when they were discussing dragon autoattack stuff, I think it'd be a damned good idea. Thanks! Ake -------------------------- Message 4377 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 28 13:09:45 1998 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: http://www.dce.utah.edu/network/lks/seperated/slimac.htm give it a look .. -------------------------- Message 4378 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 28 18:04:36 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: http://www.dce.utah.edu/network/lks/seperated/slimac.htm Cool, we can start to have color matched house appliances... think the Rowenta Surfline can be plugged on the USB port? :) -------------------------- Message 4379 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Aug 28 19:17:40 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: From the Onion... NEED FOR COFFEE OVERRIDES SCALDING SENSATION ESCONDIDO, CA--Need for caffeine won out over intense, searing pain Tuesday, as Escondido-area coffee drinker Stephanie Cutler continued to drink her morning cup after sustaining third-degree burns on her tongue, lips and esophagus. "Must have coffee," said Cutler, pausing to scream between sips of the deadly 150-degree beverage. "Must have coffee." -------------------------- Message 4380 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 06:13:38 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) and *ideas (#504) Subject: For Sale ad Posts Think it would be a good idea to ban the posting of For Sale posts for ic items. Swords and other weapons are part of the game and should only be transfered icly from one player to another. These posts just serve to move one hord of items from one player to another. If you have things you want to get rid of icly post to *storylines that you will be having a sale in the lounge or a auction.. Or post that you lost a item in the wilderness somewhere and wish to know if it is found. But posting to *chat that you are looking for or selling items is not IC and shouldn't be done. Rob -------------------------- Message 4381 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 06:42:59 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: News Well... I figured I'd post some news.. Today is August 29th, 1998.. Last Friday I was rudely IM'd at work saying for me to call my sister. Ok, I have 4 sisters and knew something was wrong.. So I called home to find my baby sister there who reported that my Mom had taken a fall from blacking out and had hit her head.. I raced home to find my mom not in very good shape. She's a stubborn ol goat though and wouldn't let my sister call 911 for a ambulance.. Anyhow we got her into the hospital where they Admitted her right away and started running tests. Comes down to this... She had dehydrated and lost about 15 pounds from lack of eating due to pain caused by the tumors in her liver. They went through just about every test they could think of and only came up with one conclusion.. That the pain and sickness that was keeping her from eating and being so tired was due to the toxin levels in her blood being released by the tumors. Aparently when a tumor out grows its blood supply or starts dying it releases large amounts of toxins into the blood.. We hope they are dying.. Anyhow I brought her home last Monday and she is doing well.. I am making sure she eats and gets lots of water everyday. Mikki reports she is very glad her momma is home and wagged her tail several times upon seeing her. Albuquerque weather has been mostly clear with scattered afternoon thunder showers. Temp has only gotten into the low 90's but the heat index is only in the low 80's and the mornings are crisp and clear with a slight chill. Fall is in the air here in the high desert of New Mexico. Spectacular sunsets and sunrises can be seen at all times and the stars are bright and shiny with the constilations of Sagitarias (sp) rising in the eastern evenging sky along with the planet Jupiter I believe.. Morning finds the constallation of Orion galantly rising to herald the sun and the beginning of the day. It is spectacular.. The moon is just over a quarter going to full by the second week of September.. Should be a beautiful harvest moon.. Thats about it from this wolfish reporter.. Red -------------------------- Message 4382 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 07:16:33 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: spelling correction Its Sagittarius (Sgr) The Archer. ' -------------------------- Message 4383 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 09:03:53 1998 EDT From: Lykaj (#6068) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: For sale shit Aggree with Red on the for sale and wanted shit. I would like to add to the banning though. All posts by Red should be banned or put on a list called *babble. lyk -------------------------- Message 4384 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 10:27:33 1998 EDT From: Breast_Fetishist (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) The Archer? I've always seen it described as a centaur. I've done astrology for 4 years and read a lot about it before serious study. -------------------------- Message 4385 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 12:39:36 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: But red.... Including myself, many people know what happened when Rathe held an IC sale...;) Ulfy the wulfy -------------------------- Message 4386 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 13:22:32 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Sag Sagittarius Is a centaur, but he is also called the Archer. He is wielding a bow with an arrow nocked and ready to launch. *From one who was a professional astrologer some time back* DB -------------------------- Message 4387 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 14:10:55 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Well, Ulf, that's just because I'm badass. -------------------------- Message 4388 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 14:16:26 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Sagittarius The archer Yep, even Centaurs can be archers.. Go figure.. They are pretty good ones too boot from what I've heard.. Study up there Breasty.. Rob -------------------------- Message 4389 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 14:18:45 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Ulffy I think that Rathe's sale was a hoot.. Anyone who fell for it deserved what they got.. I think we need more quality role playing like that. Rathe is a valueble customer.. Hope he gets better from his death soon.. Red. -------------------------- Message 4390 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 15:12:46 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A Thought from Red Fang Ok, this has been running through my mind today. I was thinking about the sexes.. I have come to a conclusion that the female is as capable as the male.. Ok that don't sound right so let me explain. We all know how in history the battle of the sexes has raged on.. But through mans own arrogance and self pride when he wrote his text on history and the beginning of things he automaticly put the female in a submissive and unempressive role.. This is what I think. Throught thought and learning I think the female of the human race was no differant than female of any animal speces. (excuse my spelling) If you watch even our closes relatives the apes the female is impressive in her skills at hunting and providing for the social group.. Though it is true in most cases that the Male is larger and stronger he is also less of a social figure only strutting in defense of his family group. In the wolf pack both male and female hunt for meat and care for the young. The alpha is a leader and controls only the packs structure with is commanding presents though he is not alone for he relies on his mate greatly. She has as much responsiblity in the pack as he does though his figure is the defence of the pack when threatened.. In the lion pride the females are the primary hunters and care takes where the big male usually sits back and watches.. He does at times when necessary join into the hunt when his great size and strength are needed but other than that he is a figure head and only there to insure the protection of his pride. This is a good example.. I think this was not much differant in the human speces.. In a social band the humans would of picked a leader who was the strongest and bravest.. That seems to be a norm. But the duties of the band would be places not only on males but also on the female to insure the survial of the group. The picture of the cave men going out hunting while the women stayed home huddling about the kids is wrong I believe and I thing she did join into the hunt as it was necessary for the group to work together. I think taking care of the children was a responsiblity of the group and all duties where shared.. Again the alpha male was a figure head and was responsible for the protection of the band but then again all joined into making that happen. I think it wasn't until things evolved that man and women took a differant road. With invention and things made easier to survive things moved to a more structured pattern where in the whole of the social group duties where split and the best where chosen for those tasks that needed to be done.. This did not always mean the right person was chosen.. A female was weaker in strength so she would of been left behind to care for things in the village or home where the man who is stronger took it upon himself to become the hunter and provider. In the coarse of history women did become weaker because they allowed this seperation to take place. ***Not that they allowed it but was forced into thinking it was proper*** So then as things got more advanced and less skill was needed in the hunt or to produce the things needed to survive .. The seperation became more apparent.. Then with mythology and religion.. More was seperated through greed and dominance and ignorance. I beleave today that we are in a crossroads where the female is showing she can go out and do more than the man. I even believe she could become alpha and rule the pack if she so needed to.. With todays advancements in weapons and technology she has more of a chance at winning the mucsle race than ever.. She can control what she does. So women of the world remember, when you are out at the club or tavern you have been trained through years of evolutionary and ignorant teaching to be submissive and less than you truely are.. So when you see that jock who is six foot three and built like a stud remember you don't need him for protection anymore. You can stand on your own and dominate your life. As humans who think we need to come to a compromise and learn to love again for our value rather than our need.. Sorry this is so spammy.. And sorry for the poor typing and spelling.. Just wanted to share.. Robert -------------------------- Message 4391 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 15:17:06 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Can you tell I'm a bit on the lonely side?? I've got too much time to think.. -------------------------- Message 4392 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 15:22:21 1998 EDT From: Caffeenid (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: An amusing side note to Red's post... It is believed that female humans developed breasts as an evolutionary measure to keep men 'at home', so to speak. By looking as though she was always prepared to breed, unlike other animals whose 'female features' do not become pronounced until they are in esterus, the human female could keep the male closer to home to help tend the human child, and, as such, the 'childhood' phase of human offspring was able to become longer. Soooo... when you're wondering why some people have breast fetishes... that's part of why. It's instinct. Sad, huh? Amazing the things you pick up from watching TLC in the middle of the night when you're too lazy to change the channel. (*sob* I learn out of laziness!) Also.. when you look at fashion, styles, etc. -- the times where women were socially/politically given less equality, _what_ feature did they accent most? Bingo. Also amazing what inferences can be drawn about society when you study historical costume. Think about it -- women got the vote, and suddenly we want to strap down our chests and look as though we have the build of a ten-year-old boy. Nope, I'm not making that up. -------------------------- Message 4393 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 15:22:29 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Rob's. Very well said, Robert and I don't think you're far off from the mark. The history of interactions between men and women is a rather interesting display of energies working against one another. And I've often pondered how the stereotypes we envision today came to be in the first place. Such as women being manipulative. Well, I thought about that and yes, women do tend to be more of the type to work in the background and the shadows. However, consider the days when women were considered property. They couldn't own anything and were not allowed to be independant. They kept families together by ruling the household and they did it by manipulating husbands and sons. It was their really only way of survival to retain their sanity. All humans, male or female enjoy freedom. Heh, you started it Rob. ;) -------------------------- Message 4394 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 15:30:00 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Eppy and Caffeenid Really think you girls know your stuff.. I have four sisters and watching them grow up was wonderful.. Though it disappoints me now seeing them fall into those sterio types.. I do have one sister who fits that manipulative to the tee.. Actually she is also the primary bread winner in her family but she sits submissivly back letting her fat pig of a husband do his so called man thing.. She really has to manipulate things to look as if he's doing it to get what she wants.. I wish she would just kick him in the butt and shine again like she use too.. -------------------------- Message 4395 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 15:38:32 1998 EDT From: Caffeenid (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Red just reminded me of something else that's sorta a nifty offshoot of all of this... Historically, most clothing was designed by men. Only in the recent century have female designers had much say in the styles of clothing that women wear. Many of the 'great designers' that are looked on throughout history -- Worth, Fortuny, Erte, etc. are male. It was Coco Chanel that truly surged forward in the early part of this century to gain a solid foothold for women in the design field. What does that matter? Take a look at the way people have dressed through time. Many of the styles worn by women have been physically restrictive, even for those of the lower classes. Corsets, if you have never worn one, are not the most comfortable garments in the world. These things were classically stiffened with bone, straw -- even steel. _Blacksmiths_ made corsets. (Along with chastity belts, but we will _not_ go there.) In the past century, clothing has changed for women. From the 10's to 1945, due to wartime restrictions as well as the new freedom women were experiencing in many societies, clothing was very 'masculine' for women in comparison to the styles of previous centuries. Now, let's look at what happened in 1945: Fabric was plentiful. A male designer made use of this -- made styles with tiny waists and huge skirts. (Think Donna Reed, folks.) It caught on. Why? Competition. Women had to compete now, more than ever, for the available men out there. The wars had claimed many lives. Now, let's look at this in 'animal' terms. Like I said a few posts back, female animals (other than humans) give off certain signs at the times when they are ready to 'breed'. Male animals, on the whole, are the more 'decorative' half of the species. (Have you ever seen a peahen? Boooooooring!) It's the males who compete for the females, in the animal world. We have it backwards, or so society seems to show historically. I'm sure there are many other examples of this... but, well, I studied fashion in college for 7 years, along with spatterings of philosophy, religion, art history, and anthropology. Yes, I'm a freak, I know. -------------------------- Message 4396 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 15:58:15 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) But a freak who knows her stuff! I think what got me started on this whole thought was thinking about the ritual of corting.. To find a female that I'm attracted to and find a way to get her to notices me... I have a real problem with the macho image thing.. Least in real life.. I think it is crude and boring.. I'm not built up like alot of guys having suffered alot of sickness and such.. So, I wouldn't beable to fend off a attacking tribe to save a girls life.. Let alone myself.. But then I think I don't have too!! I live in the modern world.. Why are these things still so important to us?? I have alot of inteligence even though I can't spell worth a hoot and I am a good person.. Yes if I did live back in the old days I probably would of died early on but modern technology has let me live and I want to.. So what to do.. I look at the silly little monkeys as I call them huddled in their groups chatting and doing their social thing.. And I want to attract that female but how?? Then if see my sisters in their relationships and how they messed up at times selecting that mate that was the image of the strong provider and protector only to find out this guy only things of them as property and a sex toy and then goes off spending the money on a bass boat or new car when there is things that the family needs. So how does a guy like me, or any guy who doesn't want to fit that pattern find a girl? Sure is a big question.. I still ponder this.. Red. -------------------------- Message 4397 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 16:24:42 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: combat Just went out into the world and tested the combat with a few others.. Works great being able to defend someone.. I parried a blow ment for another so I think we are going to see alot of fun out of this.. No more sitting about in the lounge while one of your buds get wasted.. You can actually defend him/her without starting combat with the other. I think this will be a cool addition to the game. -------------------------- Message 4398 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 18:43:15 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A reply to a conversation which has almost ended without me.... A thought occured to me...hearing that women rather recently began designing their owns clothes, but also hearing about women wanting independance and respect from males... I come to some sort of a conclusion: Women are incredibly capable of taking care of themselves, and don't need a big muscular hunk to do it, as Rob stated. Yet women designers make lots of slim-form fitting clothes that project the image that females should like sluts with short skirts and revealing tops. I'm just a bit confused by this. I respect women, and I don't believe they need to look 'hot' to get my attention. So why do the same women who want to have more rights in the modern world today make clothes which cause them to look like nothing more than a common sex object? I have a short and simple theory: The women who design clothes are not the same ones who are feminists, but rather ones who feel they need to exploit themselves to look attractive. This is my own opinion, and despite the fact that I entered the game a bit late, I'd still love to hear anybody else's opinion on this. Luke -------------------------- Message 4399 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 18:51:13 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Women and clothing. Who says that women don't like to look sexy sometimes? Why do we have to constantly worry about our bodies? Personally, I like the way I look and I don't mind showing it off in the clothing that I wear. This isn't a woman's problem. It's a man's problem that he can't control his lustful urges. Heh. The men see it as a common sex object. Women see it as a way of being independant and of feeling good about themselves. My opinion, really, I swear. -------------------------- Message 4400 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 18:53:17 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A very large 'hrm' for you... Ah. So women _like_ looking sexy? o/~ God bless America! o/~ The ever-lusting Luke -------------------------- Message 4401 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 18:54:59 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Sure, we like looking sexy, but we don't like being seen as only a sex object. I'd love for some man to tell me I look self confident in that little dress I'm wearing, but the most i ever get is a catcall. Ah well. -------------------------- Message 4402 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 18:56:48 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Damn. Geez, we _are_ simpler to figger out. ;) -------------------------- Message 4403 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 19:05:39 1998 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Thanks Eponine! Im now going compliment women in beautiful clothing on how self-confident they are. It actually seems like a good idea...hmmmm -Your friendly neighborhood goofball (Oberon) -------------------------- Message 4404 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 19:06:16 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *groan* Now I've provided the men out there with a new pick up line. -------------------------- Message 4405 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 19:07:14 1998 EDT From: Caffeenid (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *grins* Actually... most of the 'sleazy' styles are still designed by men. *grin* Versace, bless his soul, was infamous for it. -------------------------- Message 4406 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 19:53:49 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Whats this?? ----- Skywalker (#6644) @ Sat Aug 29 15:43:07 1998 MDT ----- Skywalker sticks a feather in your ear and tickles your brain. He pages, "Everyone who fell for Rathe's sale deserved it? Yeah, we all know how Skywalker deserved to get looted. :P" ----- Dante (#10660) @ Sat Aug 29 15:16:59 1998 MDT ----- (remotely) Dante screams, "NO MORE< STOP THE RANTING." Skywalker, you silly little monkey.. If you fell for Rathe's sale then yeah you got what you deserved.. Do ya know what gulable means?? Dante.. What the heck are you saying?? Speak up boy.. -------------------------- Message 4407 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 19:56:35 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) I'm still surprised so many people trusted _Rathe_... I mean, come on. -------------------------- Message 4408 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 19:58:55 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ulfy Hmm, we all like to look nice.. So what in your opinion would a independant woman wear?? I think from what I've heard my sisters and mom complain about some of the clothing styles it would be as light and comfortable as can be.. Flat shoes too.. But of course I think we should all run about neckid and just go from there.. *grins* Looking good and sexy is fun and enjoyable.. If you see it as they are trying to be that way you need to look deep inside yourself at that hormon thing.. Its pretty cool.. I think a pair of overalls and a ball cap are really sexy but you ain't gonna attract too many flys with it.. You gotta put some sugar on it ya see.. Its a dog eat dog world ya know.. The best dressed wins! Red -------------------------- Message 4409 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 19:59:25 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) I trusted him, to be Rathe.. If you notice I didn't show did I :) -------------------------- Message 4410 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 23:33:06 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Uh. I dun't get it. If woman are tired of being viewed as sex objects...yet they wear very...revealing or sexy clothes...Does this mean they just wear these clothes inside the house or something? ;) -------------------------- Message 4411 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 23:33:41 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) No, they are simply trying to be 'self confident'. Yeah. -------------------------- Message 4412 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 23:34:31 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Ulfy Hmm, you got some growing up to do huh?? Viewed is the optimal word there.. What does it matter what they wear.. Show some respect. -------------------------- Message 4413 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 23:35:38 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: This is friggin' whacked. This is all fucked up. They don't want to be sex objects, so they wear sexy clothes which brings on mostly just pigs, yet they want to be self-confident. I must be stupid or something, because I'm obviouslt missing something. -------------------------- Message 4414 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 23:36:14 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) It's all a mind game. -------------------------- Message 4415 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 23:40:43 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: ulfy again Yes, you are stupid or something.. The point is they have a right to look nice and feel good about themselves.. Just like you have a right to look studly.. That don't mean your going to get some by the way.. Just means you feel good about yourself and can hold your head up.. But by doing that don't mean that anyone has the right to say that girl is just dressed like that to get some.. No its not.. Its her right to dress as she wishes and be respected as a human being and not viewed as a sexual object.. She has that right.. Thats like saying it was a girls fault for dressing one way and getting raped.. No it isn't her fault.. Do you consider yourself a sex object? Do you dress to be one?? Think about it Ulfy.. You want to fit in and look your best.. You may get lucky, but unless you do some serious thinking I think that you will have a hard time.. Women deserve respect.. That is the point.. It don't matter what they wear or how they look or what their breast size is.. It is that they are equals and should be respected just as you would your mother or anyone else. ok, will stop ranting.. Rob -------------------------- Message 4416 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Aug 29 23:49:04 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) It's all about perceptions. If a man views a woman as a sex object, that's in HIS mind, not hers. I don't get dressed everyday worrying about how a man is going to look at me. I nearly got my partner at work for sexual harassment because I wore tank tops in a plant that gets over 120 degrees in the summertime. He didn't understand why I thought his tickling me and making comments about my clothing upset me. THEY WERE WORK CLOTHES. Similarly, when I go out at night with friends, I like to look nice, to feel good about myself. That doesn't mean I want men drooling over me, (I'm married after all), I just want to look nice. If a man sees me as a sex object, that's HIS problem, not mine. -------------------------- Message 4417 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 03:14:59 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) For those of us who really don't give a damn, I suggest something along the lines of whoever it was who threw out the *babble idea... we need a *red_fang or something... 46 messages on stuff that three people care about! Why don't you just _page_ this BS! Red, you're always OOC anyway, why don't you just talk with these people in the OOC lounge. Keeee-rist. Irritable for some incomphrensible reason, The guy no one will bother posting a response to -------------------------- Message 4418 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:00:37 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Durandal. Chat is just that, Chat. If you don't like it, @skip works really well too. Insulting people is really not going to win friends and influence people. -------------------------- Message 4419 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:10:23 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) *goes off in a corner and sulks, having maintained his record of being told out every time he makes a post* *whine* -------------------------- Message 4420 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:13:24 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Well, don't post so rudely and you won't be told off, now will you. ;) -------------------------- Message 4421 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:15:37 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Oh, I'm usually very nice and polite and all of that crap when I want to be. I'm not one of those people who drags their RL problems online but I think I'm entitled to be rude every once in a while, despite the consequences. Heh. -------------------------- Message 4422 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:16:14 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) I just realized... I'm becoming what I've feared! Eeek! I must stop now. -------------------------- Message 4423 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:17:08 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Muuuuhahahahahahahaha! You will become one of us! Give in to the dark side! -------------------------- Message 4424 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:18:37 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) I'll never join you! Away, foul beast! *little does he know he has already started on his path down the dark side, is slowly giving in to his hatred, etc. etc.* -------------------------- Message 4425 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:22:13 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) I'll gladly take this moment to... how-interesting! Yayhoo. Uh. Long live freedom of speech. (It's one a.m., what _else_ is there to say?) -------------------------- Message 4426 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:22:52 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) It's about time you figured out how to use the damn thing, Mik. -------------------------- Message 4427 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:24:10 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) I /told/ you I was slow, Durry. ;) Bwee. -------------------------- Message 4428 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:25:30 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Because it's late, and we're not on RW, I propose spamming the fuck out of *chat. Which is what I've been doing for the past... fifteen minutes or so. I didn't realize the error of my ways before. This is kind of fun. -------------------------- Message 4429 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:30:20 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Good idea... the surefire way to annoy the hell out of people! Muwahahaha. At least it'll keep me awake, dammit. I'd like to take this moment to... bitch about how I got rejected from a certain something at a certain somewhere. Does _anybody_ care, nowadays? Dammit. Shut me up, Durry, will you? This'll end in a philisophical drawl, I'm sure, if not. -------------------------- Message 4430 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:31:31 1998 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Yess..Im sure... *eyes Chat* -------------------------- Message 4431 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:31:47 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) It's all blatant favoritism. The staff of Redwall is naturally biased toward twinkish, easily-corrupted people with horrible grammar. Thus, you didn't get it. -------------------------- Message 4432 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:32:44 1998 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Damn those bastard. How dare they. -------------------------- Message 4433 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:33:15 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) I know. Mik's been moping all day. Horrible. -------------------------- Message 4434 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:36:10 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Ooo, a compliment. ;) Heh. I'm still royally pissed that they used the *pennants* without _me_, an applicant, who helped contribute the whole pennant thing. Damnit. And then *he* put both of my char's IC-best friends on that certain list, leaving me in the dust. Arugh. *mope mope mope* At least angstful music cheered me up. And coffee, if I had any. -------------------------- Message 4435 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:37:11 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Hey. Pennants were a Durry thing, remember? Now go drink your coffee and get out of my sight. -------------------------- Message 4436 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:38:29 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) "Help contribute" are the key words. ;) Pennant (c) and (tm) Durry and all his royalness. I stand ashamed for not slipping in the fine print. -------------------------- Message 4437 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:39:49 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) As you should be. Now go and make yourself useful, and do some research to help me find out how many people will be pissed off to find all manner of stupid messages they don't care about in their faces tomorrow morning... or, this morning, rather. -------------------------- Message 4438 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:41:29 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) According to my data, it seems that roughly 76 percentage of patrons on GhostWheel's *chat will flame you/me/us for sending in countless messages of drawl. It's fun, eh? -------------------------- Message 4439 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:42:04 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) It is. We'd better get in as much as we can before someone stops us. -------------------------- Message 4440 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:42:50 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Good morning, Vietnam! -------------------------- Message 4441 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:43:27 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Haven't seen it. Sorry. You seen Apocalypse Now? -------------------------- Message 4442 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:44:59 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Not yet. But I'll take your advice and rent Apoc Now as well as Ishtar. Ayup. -------------------------- Message 4443 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:46:29 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Both great movies. Ishtar has to be the most unappreciated film ever... But Apocalypse Now kicks ass. Besides causing me to lose what little faith I had left in humanity, it depressed the hell out of me for a week. No other movie can lay claim to that. Very good stuff. -------------------------- Message 4444 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:47:47 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Kickass. I'm already depressed so it'll fit perfectly. Heh. -------------------------- Message 4445 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:49:18 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Just don't jump off of a bridge or anything. My mom thought I was on drugs... again... after I was moping around for a few days. I hate that. I'm not smoking crack (though some would argue otherwise) but everyone thinks I am. -------------------------- Message 4446 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:50:35 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Tria and Prisma marker fumes are enough to make me high already. And White-Out. Down with drugs, on with everyday household objects that will give you brain damage! -------------------------- Message 4447 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:51:11 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) -------------------------- Message 4448 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:51:41 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) *waves his "Yay Deadly Household Products" pennant* -------------------------- Message 4449 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:53:49 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) *waves her "Yay Pennants" pennant* How did pennants start, anyways? Conspiracy* chat, no doubt. Y'gotta love it. -------------------------- Message 4450 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 04:55:04 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) I think the whole pennant thing spawned from me waving a "Yay Kommunism" pennant on Con* chat. It all went downhill from there. -------------------------- Message 4451 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:00:25 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Wheeyay. And to keep myself awake, I shall post quotes for your viewing enjoyment. Blagh. These are pretty corny, too. "Why do psychics have to ask you for your name?" "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." "Mental backup in progress - Do Not Disturb!" "If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something." And my personal fave: "Give me my coffee, damn you!" Yes, stupidity rules all. -------------------------- Message 4452 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:02:03 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) I've got that nagging feeling that I'm going to be shot by a right-wing extremist in a few moments. You ever get those? -------------------------- Message 4453 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:04:03 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. Occasionally. Usually after watching some espionage/action-gun movie of the sort. -------------------------- Message 4454 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:06:25 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Really? I find those movies are usually _pro_ right-wing. I suppose it depends on the era though. You either have the cold war "die commie scum" flicks or the cynical nineties conspiracy movies (can you say X-Files, children?). -------------------------- Message 4455 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:09:38 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) "Exth-fileth!" Well, the whole Conspiracy idea was brewed up in June, after I took a class about spies. (See why I'm so obsessed?) It's cool, y'getta learn about the KGB and CIA and crap. There's this one case where a guy put a microdot hidden in a 70s National Geographic with all this confidential information hidden inside. Very interesting. Bonnie and Clyde are pretty cool, too. Yeah. -------------------------- Message 4456 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:10:44 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Bonnie and Clyde... wasn't Warren Beatty in that movie? -------------------------- Message 4457 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:13:05 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) I'm noshure. Ah, well. They're good idols for villains. I think. Just remember, you young criminals out there: don't commit suicide if your uncle owns a one million dollar mansion! -------------------------- Message 4458 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:14:56 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Advice noted. Thanks. -------------------------- Message 4459 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:16:14 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) No prob. -------------------------- Message 4460 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:17:22 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) I think I might head to bed soon. -------------------------- Message 4461 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:18:44 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Heh, good idea. Oh, and please don't kill me, any of you who royally detest spam? Eh? Please? Pleaseplease? -------------------------- Message 4462 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:19:33 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) See, they'll probably spare you, because you're relatively new... I don't have an excuse, and they've been looking for a chance to kill me anyway. -------------------------- Message 4463 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:21:15 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) That sucks. Here's some Pez and a crown of thorns. -------------------------- Message 4464 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:21:44 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Mmmm. Pez. Ouch. Thorns. -------------------------- Message 4465 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:22:22 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Enjoy, komrade. -------------------------- Message 4466 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:24:01 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The camel sleeps at noon, but not in Cleveland. Okay. Really, I'm leaving. I'm going to go to sleep. Dasvidanya, komrades. -------------------------- Message 4467 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:25:19 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Guten nacht. Or morgen, Durry. Must...sleep. Ah. -------------------------- Message 4468 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:25:53 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Now go to sleep. It's past your bedtime. -------------------------- Message 4469 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:26:54 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) I'm sneaking on 'cuz it's naughty. Bwahahah. -------------------------- Message 4470 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:27:17 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Kinky. -------------------------- Message 4471 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:27:37 1998 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: You two... I thought you two were going to sleep? -------------------------- Message 4472 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:28:08 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Well... kind of. -------------------------- Message 4473 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:28:19 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Ja. It's kinkerific. -------------------------- Message 4474 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:28:36 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) -------------------------- Message 4475 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:29:46 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Dammit. Blank messages suck. Yeah, Rand, but you just wanna keep talking.. and talking.. and.. until you fall asleep at the keyboard. Or the parents catch you. Either way. -------------------------- Message 4476 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:30:23 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Fuuuuuun. -------------------------- Message 4477 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:31:34 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Indeed. *zaps the computer monitor into a pillow* (Ugh.) -------------------------- Message 4478 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:31:49 1998 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ... .. If my parents caught me, i'd prolly shoot myself...no, actually, if I was WORRIED about my parents catching me, I'd shoot myself... Guess thats one of the benifits of being like two states away from the closest relative. -------------------------- Message 4479 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 05:33:58 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Rand, you're a lucky bastard. But by the time you both read this... I will be gone! I'm going to sleep. Really. -------------------------- Message 4480 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 06:58:40 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Durandal Welcome!!!!!!!!! Red -------------------------- Message 4481 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 11:31:48 1998 EDT From: Lykaj (#6068) To: *Chat (#5391) Rob..I almost like ya better as a republican. With that said, you have brought up an interesting topic despite your old pathitic, momma dresses you funny self. I believe it was Ulfy that seems to have some concerns on why women dress the way they do. Trust me my friend. They are not dressing that way for you. You ain't all that so get off it. People, both male and female dress and act the way they do for themselves. I do not dress the way I do to impress any females. (I know this cause it really does not impress them it seems.) The way someone dresses can be a clue into that persons character, but if that is all you rely on then you are far to vain. People dress the way they do to feel comfortable with their own appearance. As Eppy pointed out, not to invite cat calls and so on. If that is all you see when you see a woman..you are gonna have one lonely ass life. Lyk -------------------------- Message 4482 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 12:17:49 1998 EDT From: Caffeenid (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Sweet Gods above... 74 messages on *chat this morning. You people need to be shot. Aside from that: No, we don't dress the way we do for you. We do it 'cause we feel like it. For those who missed it on the channel last night, I'm about to give away one of those little female secrets again, for the people who need help. (Like I'm some guru or something... but... hey.) We hate people who don't notice us. We hate people who notice us the wrong way. (Example: Joe Blow sidles up to Bubbles, licks her face, wolf-whistles, and says, "That dress really shows off your rack, baby!" as opposed to: Joe Blow smiles at Bubbles, and says, "That's a very pretty dress on you.") Avoid the following words: 'Interesting' and 'Different'. They'll just make us think you hate it, but you're saying something nice so we won't injure you. These words are too nebulous, and they won't cut it. Memorize things like this: 'The color of that dress looks very pretty with your eyes.' 'I like the way you're wearing your hair today.' and 'I really like that style on you.' Don't say these things unless you want to limp home: 'My ex had a dress just like that.' 'I don't know if someone with your build should wear something like that.' 'I like how much skin that shows off.' or 'It kinda reminds me of something mom would wear.' And... well, all of us are gorgeous online, or... did I miss a meeting? -------------------------- Message 4483 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 13:46:32 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: That was ridiculous. I'm gone one day and there are 103 *chat messages. Ok here is my views, like them or not. Red Fang is right about the IC sales. I know for Anubis has many enemies that would not ICly sell him weapons, but as much as it would hurt me I think it would add for more rp. Numero dos, all girls are wonderful, be it sexy or self-confident, God bless them all. And finally, maybe we can get a discussion board for OOC chtter related to the game, I could have just skipped all the messages, but I wasn't sure if something related to Ghostwheel, and not just some lame conversation. was posted. Thanks for your time, and sorry for my personal addition to the spam. Anubis -------------------------- Message 4484 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 13:54:59 1998 EDT From: Foot_Fetishist (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) I just dislike people who use "Archer" instead of "Centaur" for Sagittarius, especially ill-bred commoners with a poor grasp of grammar who are not open about their sexual inclinations. I would have used "Dog_Fetishist" but I hear that one is already taken. -------------------------- Message 4485 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 13:58:15 1998 EDT From: Foot_Fetishist (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) And I'm ashamed that Mikaera didn't celebrate getting 4444. -------------------------- Message 4486 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 14:02:35 1998 EDT From: Foot_Fetishist (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) I've always felt that women hate people who don't notice them, but they don't respect the ones who NOTICE them. One has to strike a delicate balance between the two. -------------------------- Message 4487 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 14:15:06 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Ooo, I got 4444? *celebration* Apologies. -------------------------- Message 4488 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 14:21:20 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Smelly Feet_Fetishist Ya know thats pretty rough.. Hating is a sign of poor upbringing and will only hurt you in the end. Like I said.. Centaurs can be Archers too so whats your point? Do you even know the story behind the constellation or do you just go by what you can blow out your ass? As for being a commoner I think it is shown by your own self indulgence and pompus attitude that you couldn't even be related as a commoner but below one most likely from a bastard branch in the tree.. Red -------------------------- Message 4489 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 15:37:28 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/33vest.shtml -------------------------- Message 4490 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 15:52:43 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: "Quoth the Durry: La la la la la. -------------------------- Message 4491 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 18:06:15 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: dressing At last an interesting thread in there :-) I think there are two kinds of people, the one who dress only for themselves oblivious to the rest of the world and the ones that dress others (and probably for themselves too :), concious of the reactions appearance can trigger. If you belong to the first category and really dress up for your sole pleasure and couldn't care less what people think about what you wear, that's fine. But you should not complain if people make comments, even if you don't like them. You don't care what reactions your appearance can generate? well then you shouldn't care about those reactions and ignore them. If you can't ignore them and they annoy you, well then maybe you should make a compromise on the clothings or something. Choose whatever you find the minimal nuisance. You can go by the philosophy 'I dress what I want.' then remember the other person philosophy could well be 'I say what I want.' :-) Compromises comes up when we live in society :-) In the specific case of really sexy clothings or nudity, be aware that the appearance you project can play with strong feelings/instincts. Most people will behave but some could not and you might end up raped. It's a fact, it's a risk. Sure it's legal to dress very sex, sure it's illegal to rape someone. It happens tho, everyday. Just be careful. Note that I'm not against sexy clothings, I just suggest to be careful of the reactions they can trigger. People are pretty aware of that with their money, they usually don't "take $10K in cash in their wallet and show it around" or it least if they do, they are aware they can attract thieves. Just my $0.02, Janus -------------------------- Message 4492 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 19:33:06 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Uhm I'm assuming the sexy clothing was inversely directed towards women ( i.e. rape comment ) . Janus dear, you're wrong. A does not equal B. While it happens, people get raped regardless of what they wear. that follows the same philosophy that 'even though I like my body I must wear a full bag over it so I wo'nt get touched.' Feh. The opinion thing is fine, but justifying that when women dress sexy look what they ahve to fear as a fall for their actions is in my opinon, blind. I can't wait for the day when men start wearing skimpy little clothings ( even more so ) and they get anally accosted. Then we can blame that on what they wear . Feh. Xi. -------------------------- Message 4493 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 19:46:29 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Uhm >I'm assuming the sexy clothing was inversely directed towards women >( i.e. rape comment ) . You are assuming wrong, though the probably of a men being raped for arousing a rapist with sexy clothing is most likely much less than for a women being raped in the same situation :-) >A does not equal B. While it happens, people get raped regardless of what they wear. Kael my dear, reread what I wrote, I never started all rapes are related to clothing at all. I just say that in some cases it can be a provicative factor. Believe it or not. >'even though I like my body I must wear a full bag over it so I wo'nt get touched.' There is a difference between covering you lovely body like a nun and going naked (and some people dress dangerously close of that.) I don't mind that kind of clothing, I just that there is a risk and that being aware of it is smarter than ignoring it. If you ignore it, then YOU are blind. (Hell, I wouldn't mind people going around naked :-) >I can't wait for the day when men start wearing skimpy little clothings > even more so ) and they get anally accosted. >Then we can blame that on what they wear . Almost been there, almost done that. Visit some of the greek islands. But watch for your butt. :-) Janus -------------------------- Message 4494 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 19:47:48 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Here we go again. -------------------------- Message 4495 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 19:55:35 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) I think it depends on situation too. If I dress up and go to a bar, I expect that men will probably look at me. I accept this and usually consider it a compliment if someone stares or starts up a converstion with me. However, that's as far as I allow someone to go. Touching me is crossing the border. Assuming that I am trolling for sex also crosses the border. Raping me, no matter what I am wearing is more then crossing the border. No means no. Rape usually is a power play anyway, it's a man asserting his dominance over a woman via physical force or coersion (in the case of date rape). If I say no, I don't care if I'm walking around in nothing but socks, then that means NO. Then again, there are other situations, such as work. I come to work to do just that, work. My place of work is not a bar or social establishment. I don't want catcalls, I don't want co workers hitting on me, I don't want lewd and inappropriate behavior being displayed in front of me. Anyone who continues to displll be guilty of sexually harassing me, especially if I haave expressed that I do not appreciate the behavior and have asked that it cease. -------------------------- Message 4496 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:05:21 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: >I think it depends on situation too. Yep. >If I say no, I don't care if I'm walking around in nothing but socks, then >that means NO. You walk with nothing but socks sock, a tall/strong budy is drunk and/or emotionaly unstable and catch you outside the bar and rape you. You sure mean no, doesn't mean the other fellow will hear you. Like it or not. I don't say it make the rapist less guilty at all. I say that if you walk naked in socks, deal with the consequences if you arouse some people above their mental limit. It's just an extreme example of course. And no I'm not talking about date rape (and don't get me started about the assholes who date their rape to show their 'male dominance' they are the worst kind of rapist.) >Anyone who continues to displll be guilty of sexually harassing me, especially >if I haave expressed that I do not appreciate the behavior and have asked that >it cease. If one of my coworkeress is wearing nothing socks at work, either she deals with my comment or *I* sue *HER* for sexual and sense of humor harassement :-) Janus (way too much free time in my hands tonight :-) -------------------------- Message 4497 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:08:40 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Sorry, Janus, I don't agree. It's my right to dress as I choose. If a man can't handle his sexual urges or have the responsibility to be careful when drinking and he rapes me, I will not accept blame for what happened. Too much of that blaming goes on with rape victims as it is. Rape is an act of violence against another human. Control your urges, don't expect me to cater to you, or the world for that matter. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's not the way women dress that's the problem, it's the way men handle the way women dress. If society taught responsibility and respect instead of 'blame the victim' maybe it wouldn't happen so often. -------------------------- Message 4498 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:11:47 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) In this politically correct world we call the 90's I would like to say that rape is not always male to female, but also female to male, and the dreaded male to male, so please, keep this in mind when making gender specific references. -------------------------- Message 4499 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:12:36 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: PC. I'm not PC, deal with it. ;) -------------------------- Message 4500 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:12:47 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) (in a Jack Nick accent) You want the truth about this subject? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. -------------------------- Message 4501 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:13:38 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Sorry, Janus, I don't agree. Reread my post please. I dind't say the rapist is less guilty. As for 'Control your urges, don't expect me to cater to you, or the world for that matter.' That's where your mistake is. You assume all people can control their urges, or want to for that matter. Let's move from the touchy topic of rape to the less touchy topic of robbery. Would you walk with $10000 pined on extensive display? Sure you are allowed to. Sure it's legal. Sure you do what you want. And sure you expect everyone on earth to be honnest and control their urge to rob you. Then you know better than doing that. Janus -------------------------- Message 4502 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:14:57 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) I'd walk around with $10000 pinned on extensive display, right next to my hand which is holding the double barrel 12 gauge ;) Ake -------------------------- Message 4503 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:16:12 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: 10,000 bucks I like to keep my extensive display where it belongs, in my pants, no need to scare the ladies. -------------------------- Message 4504 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:17:51 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) I'd probably spend $10000 before anybody could rob it from me. ;) -Mik -------------------------- Message 4505 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:38:43 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Janus I think what it comes down to Janus is.. You seem to be getting the act confused with the reason. Like eppy said, it is a power play. If a man can't control his fucking urges ( literally ) then he can hire one of the ladies in this world who make their LIVELYhoods selling sex. And as I said before, forwards and backwards, Men don't rape women just because they wear sexy clothing. And very few women come to bars with just socks. Except at berkley. AS for robbery: I won't be carrying 10k anytime soon. And I wouldn't plaster it on me because money has a tendency to leave marks on the skin. But i'm sure, you Janus, would condone robbing someone who had 10k on them. Who knows. send -------------------------- Message 4506 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:49:57 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Janus >Like eppy said, it is a power play. Not always. Depends on the context. Unless your philosophy of life is that all is based on power plays, etc. >If a man can't control his fucking urges ( literally ) then he >can hire one of the ladies in this world who make their LIVELYhoods selling sex. Your mistake is to assume the rapist will be willing to do so. Big mistake. >And as I said before, forwards and backwards, Men don't rape women >just because they wear sexy clothing. We hear you. And I say the same thing. Reread my posts. I never said it was the sole reason. reread them forwards and backwards. Even read the words randomly. >And very few women come to bars with just socks. Except at berkley. Actually I went in plenty of places where women come to bars with just socks. Or naked. And I never went in Berkley. :-) >But i'm sure, you Janus, would condone robbing someone who had 10k on them. I said I condone robbing or raping someone? You should maybe buy some glasses (or better glasses.) Or learn how to read & understand others, it's a handy skill to have. Janus -------------------------- Message 4507 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:51:58 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: 4505 (Bars in Berkley) You know, I suddenly have newfound joy at living in the SF bay area... Now if only I could pass myself off as 21.. -------------------------- Message 4508 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:53:13 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Rape First, rape is not a 'sexual' crime. it seldom if ever has anything whatsoever to do with 'sex'. It is a 'power trip', sick and perverted, no matter who is the perpetrator. Lets let this rest now, okay? *hugs* DB/Di -------------------------- Message 4509 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:56:33 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: rape My mistake, for clarification concerning my previous posts I meant rape as 'forced sex on a person who didn't want it'. -------------------------- Message 4510 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:57:09 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: For the record, I wouldn't walk through the red light district in SF at midnight in nothing but a g-string. I'd be scared as hell that I'd get jumped. -------------------------- Message 4511 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:57:35 1998 EDT From: Yeullan (#19204) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re:rape @define RAPE -> Checking... ---------------------------------@define RAPE---------------------------------- Main Entry: 1rape Pronunciation: 'rAp Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Latin rapa, rapum turnip, rape; akin to Old High German rAba turnip, rape, Lithuanian rope Date: 14th century : a European herb (Brassica napus) of the mustard family grown as a forage crop for sheep and hogs and for its seeds which yield rapeseed oil and are a bird foo d -- compare CANOLA *** Definition (c) Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. Visit http://www.m-w.com/. ---------------------------------@define RAPE---------------------------------- I hope this clears it up. Shut up now. Thank you. -------------------------- Message 4512 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:58:19 1998 EDT From: Venom (#20510) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: RAPE Why the hell are you guys talking about Rape? Talk about the Circus or something:P -------------------------- Message 4513 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 20:59:57 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) I don't know, but it's getting more rambling than last night's spam. The circus? Oh. Uh. It's very.. clowny? Did you hear about that eleven year old who trains tigers? No? No. -------------------------- Message 4514 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:03:23 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I just wanted to say Feh. Thats all -------------------------- Message 4515 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:04:50 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Feh @def FEH -> Checking... @def FEH -> : No definition. -------------------------- Message 4516 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:05:32 1998 EDT From: Yeullan (#19204) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: For you scrabble players.. @ospd FEH -> Checking ... @ospd FEH -> The word "FEH" is acceptable. -------------------------- Message 4517 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:05:48 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) @define ANNOYING -> Checking... -------------------------------@define ANNOYING-------------------------------- Main Entry: annoy Pronunciation: &-'noi Function: verb Etymology: Middle English anoien, from Middle French enuier, from Late Latin inodiare to make loathsome, from Latin in + odium hatred -- more at ODIUM Date: 13th century transitive senses 1 : to disturb or irritate especially by repeated acts 2 : to harass especially by quick brief attacks intransitive senses : to cause annoyance - annoyer noun synonyms ANNOY, VEX, IRK, BOTHER mean to upset a person's composure. ANNOY implies a wearing on the nerves by persistent petty unpleasantness . VEX implies greater provocation and stronger disturbance and usually connotes anger but sometimes perplexity or anxiety . IRK stresses difficulty in enduring and the resulting weariness or impatience of spirit . BOTHER suggests interference with comfort or peace of mind . synonym see in addition WORRY *** Definition (c) Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. Visit http://www.m-w.com/. -------------------------- Message 4518 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:14:09 1998 EDT From: Skywalker (#6644) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Summary Ok, now that it looks like the whole rape debate has died down, I will now attempt to give a summary to those that either skipped the posts or are still reeling having read them. Bitch bitch, flame flame. You're wrong! No, you're wrong! Can't we all just be friends? Poopie-head! Learn how to read! You suck! I hate you, why didn't I ever listen to my mother!? Here's a @definition. Here's another @definition. *crying* This has been a report from *chatspam weekly. All comments can be directed to someone@who.cares -------------------------- Message 4519 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:14:26 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Tra la la I'm not advocating rape. Nor is Janus. I think, and I believe he agrees, that my previous page to him was an excellent summary of his point: (to the unconnected Janus) Rathe shrugs. "Ok, thing is: Because someone wears skimpy clothing is not an 'excuse' for rape. Nor does it make it the fault of the raped. BUT, it isn't bright to go into a dangerous/unsure situation wearing the equivilant of silly string. Nothing wrong at all with wearing that kinda clothing, but women should keep in mind that there _are_ sick fucks out there. And they see a chick in skimpy clothes, they'll figure she makes a good target for their power trip. By whatever sick reasoning. *snip* Rathe -------------------------- Message 4520 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:24:52 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Thank you Rathe. -------------------------- Message 4521 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:25:17 1998 EDT From: Yeullan (#19204) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The moral of the story: Knock on my door wearing skimpy clothes. I'm not a rapist, but you'll probably get to see my jaw hit the floor. :P -------------------------- Message 4522 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:33:33 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) I'm just wondering where everyone's getting those neat definitions. -------------------------- Message 4523 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:34:10 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) And I don't want some wag saying 'a dictionary, dumbass.' -------------------------- Message 4524 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:34:18 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A dictionary And yes. Thank you Rathe. -------------------------- Message 4525 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:35:38 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I couldn't help myself hee. @def is the verb. -------------------------- Message 4526 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:42:02 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: This is me, still beating dead horses. @define ramble @define RAMBLE -> Checking... --------------------------------@define RAMBLE--------------------------------- Main Entry: 1ramble Pronunciation: 'ram-b&l Function: verb Inflected Form(s): rambled; rambling /-b(&-)li[ng]/ Etymology: perhaps from Middle English romblen, frequentative of romen to roam Date: 1620 intransitive senses 1 a : to move aimlessly from place to place b : to explore idly 2 : to talk or write in a desultory or long-winded wandering fashion 3 : to grow or extend irregularly transitive senses : to wander over : ROAM synonym see WANDER - ramblingly /-b(&-)li[ng]-lE/ adverb *** Definition (c) Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. Visit http://www.m-w.com/. --------------------------------@define RAMBLE--------------------------------- -------------------------- Message 4527 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:48:38 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Rape, clothing and Mister Red. Rape is a crime of hate, it has nothing to do with sex. No matter what a woman is wearing, if she is in the wrong place at the wrong time it can happen. Clothes do not promote rape. Woman have beautiful bodies, to hide it for fear of sexual abuse is a shame. Its like covering up a wonderful painting for fear of theft. And Red, while dancing the dance, just be honest, be you. There is no difference between men and woman except what is in their pants. Both sexes need love and security. That all starts with honesty. -------------------------- Message 4528 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:49:33 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) *hearty applause for Clayson* Hear hear! -------------------------- Message 4529 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:50:51 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Re: Rape, clothing and Mister Red. Well put, I must say. Clayson gets the honor of me 'how-sweeting' at the post. -------------------------- Message 4530 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:51:44 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) And she didn't even have to ramble! -------------------------- Message 4531 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:53:38 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) No need to ramble when you word it correctly, etc etc. And a vast majority agrees. Horray. -------------------------- Message 4532 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:54:45 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Then take my suggestion of walking down the street in the red light district in nothing but a g-string. If your theory holds, you won't be in any more danger than if you were wearing a trench coat. -------------------------- Message 4533 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:55:31 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Actually, Rathe, if you did that, the cops would come before the rapists will. ;) -------------------------- Message 4534 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:56:47 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) I'll tell ya, I tried that once and I wasn't hassled at all. Maybe my weight of 600+ and 3 nipples thwarted them, but I ya never know. -------------------------- Message 4535 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 21:58:26 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Maybe you were just lucky? ;) Y'never know. -------------------------- Message 4536 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:04:25 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Bathrooms I think the bathrooms should heal insanity and fatigue. I know that when i am tired or a little out of my mind the restroom is the perfect place to relax. They don't call it a RESTroom for nothing. -------------------------- Message 4537 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:05:10 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: That should've been to *ideas, sorry -------------------------- Message 4538 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:06:31 1998 EDT From: Skywalker (#6644) To: *Chat (#5391) Bathrooms (at least the one in the DRT) should GIVE you insanity, fatigue, damage, and a rare tropical disease. -------------------------- Message 4539 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:31:49 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: wondering... I wonder how people can agree with Rathe and disagree with me. Interesting, really interesting. Must be my haircut. Clayson said: >Its like covering up a wonderful painting for fear of theft. I'm glad you noticed all the security they put in the museum with orginals of famous painting. I'm sure it's unrelated to some people unable to refrain their urge of stealing them. Janus -------------------------- Message 4540 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:34:08 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Security Wasn't the point hon. Its the fact that the female body is beautiful. Covering it up because of fear is... sad. Clayson: right on. -------------------------- Message 4541 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:36:20 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) It's sad, but that's the world we live in. A sick, sick, sad world. -------------------------- Message 4542 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:37:43 1998 EDT From: Venom (#20510) To: *Chat (#5391) Just like this crap on *chat. -------------------------- Message 4543 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:39:26 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Yup. And the tabloids predict an 'armageddon' (what an original idea, eh?) to come in October, so our sick, sad world will perish. That's good, right? -------------------------- Message 4544 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:39:48 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Bodies are nice. Naked ones even nicer. Yes it's sad we can't just go around naked anywhere without risks, happy and innocent. Welcome to Earth 1998 AD. (BTW, try nudism and enjoy naked bodies :-) -------------------------- Message 4545 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:40:41 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Too bad they don't sell Playgirl to minors. -------------------------- Message 4546 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:41:50 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) I don't know what the big deal is, I'm naked right now and know one is harassing me, err I mean, exposed.. emotionally and more intune with my feminine side. -------------------------- Message 4547 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:43:24 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: playgirl They had a 'hot and sexy hunks' side magazine from the makers of playgirl. I found it funny. I was taunting my mother with it yesterday, or at least the idea. I was gonna buy it and watch her face turn red as I showed her random pics but.. No cash= no magazine. poo. -------------------------- Message 4548 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:45:05 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) If I send you the required amount of money, Kael, couldja ship it in my direction? ;) Wait... no. Damn. The parental units check the mail first, not me. Heh. -------------------------- Message 4549 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:46:00 1998 EDT From: Nomar (#17488) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: My thoughts. If you have got the body show it off, otherwise keep it covered up because I for one don't want to see it. Flame me all you want, I coulding give a shit because I'm sick and tired of fat women trying to feel self-confident by wearing tight pants and shirts that show off every single roll on their whole body. I know I'm not the only one out there that would rather see a pretty, slim girl wearing slinky, tight sexy clothes, than a fat one. This doesn't really have to do with any of the other shit that the rest of you have been posting but I'm tired of seeing bertha dressed as wonder woman. Oh and too all you people that are large and wear small clothes, it doesn't have a sliming effect. Have a nice day. -------------------------- Message 4550 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:46:07 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: playgirl Use your favorite newsreader/web browser and find plenty of free material to embarass you mother, her cat and the red fish with! Enjoy the internet! -------------------------- Message 4551 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:47:21 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Hee. Trust me... if you send it out like a package from a school or something they wouldn't check. All you need to do is just get it quick :) or get a p.o box *Cackles* can anyone say fake I.d.? I love tainting the minds of the young(erthanme). -------------------------- Message 4552 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:48:24 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Nomar: I have no problem with that. You're only human. (Right? ;D) Janus: Oo. Thanks for the advice. I often forget that clicking on the "Yes I am 18" hyperlink is a cynch. -------------------------- Message 4553 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:49:29 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Girls I for one like chicks with some meat on their bones. Girls that are skeletons might be good for other guys, but I like a girl who's not afraid to put on a few pounds. -------------------------- Message 4554 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:50:41 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ohyeahalso NOmar: Agreed. I plan on starting the 'Fashion police' to stop such spandex nightmares. Anyone who wants to join.... Also.. Don't forget fat men with their manbreasts ( tm ) wearing wifebeaters/tanks. That is by far one of the cruelest jokes to the eyes that can be. Manbreasts (tm) are not meant to be shown. when a guy has tits bigger than mine and they stick out... well ... Lets just say i'm looking for the gun. -------------------------- Message 4555 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:52:07 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Speaking as one of the five percent of people genetically meant to look like bean poles and hide in the shade of lamp posts, it's not really healthy to be too thin. I would love to gain a few pounds, I think I would look better. And I think this obsession with women who are not genetically meant to be that thin starving themselves to please men like Nomar makes me want to gag. -------------------------- Message 4556 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:52:39 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Manbreasts (tm) *cackle* (It reminds me of Hysteria's furry pic about manbreasts (tm) on Yerf... hee) Agreed! They should make an appointment for liposuction, or at least buy a bra.. from Kramer? Whoever made the male-bra, yeah. -------------------------- Message 4557 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:53:37 1998 EDT From: Nomar (#17488) To: *Chat (#5391) I don't mean girls that are just skin and bones they need to have some meat on their bones. Not as much meat as moby dick's sister on the otherhand though. Kael: I'll join, and I agree, male tits shouldn't be allowed to be shown either. -------------------------- Message 4558 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:55:11 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yes! If women must be enforced to the mighty chain that is BRA men should too damnit. At least the ones with C cups. christ. And for some reason the guys i know with manbreasts are HAPPY with them. FEH ! Maybe they could use that for the women ( ditzes ) whowant to get breast implants . That way it wouldn't leak sillycone in the body . (Yes I spelled silicon wrong. JOKE people ) -------------------------- Message 4559 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:55:33 1998 EDT From: Anubis (#22578) To: *Chat (#5391) You gals keep eating and then give me a ring, I'm going to bed. -------------------------- Message 4560 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:57:50 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Hear that, those with manbreasts (tm)? Get a friggen bra! _We_ females have to suffer with the damn things, and _you_ have the right to, as well. This should spur another 60s women's movement or whatever. "Burn-the-bra!" Hee hee. -------------------------- Message 4561 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 22:59:46 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Thin is disgusting. I can't make the dock plates at work go down after I pull them up when a truck is completed. I stand on them and they rock back and forth, the loaders all laugh at that. I can wear rubber bands around my wrists without cutting off circulation. In fact, they're loose. I can HIDE in the shadow of a lamp post. People's first comment about me is usually, 'Girl, you need some weight' or 'Gawd, look how skinny she is.' -------------------------- Message 4562 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 23:03:21 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) I'm -naturally- thin, skinny, whatever you want to call it. It's alright with me, but what ticks me off is that all these mags slapping pics of 90 pound teenage models in their pages, and lowering the self esteem of /other/ girls, thus springing anorexic disorders, forcing themselves to not eat, etc etc. I've seen one of my friends suffer through this, and it's not a pretty sight. Another reason to call this planet a sick, sad world. ;) -------------------------- Message 4563 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 23:05:55 1998 EDT From: Xiara (#14877) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yep Surprisingly i'm finding men less the pig than women. The women are the ones saying whats 'good to be' .. The men ( of those taht i've met ) don't go for the waif. Yay. Females can be so issuish. On another note, i'm not skinny nor fat. I don't want to be either. I'm sort of happy just being me *shrugs* -------------------------- Message 4564 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 23:09:07 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Precisely, Mikaera. My sister's a victim of that. She sees the magazines and wants to be like Kate Moss or something. She goes on all these diets, won't eat fat, etc. She's a very slim, pretty girl, she's just not meant to be a 90 lb skinney girl. I wish she could see it. -------------------------- Message 4565 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 23:11:00 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: FEH! Been gone for 20 hours and 175 messages are waiting. You should all be ashamed. -------------------------- Message 4566 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 23:12:12 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) I'm not ashamed! I'm glad! The *Chat is being used for... chatting! I contributed to those 175 messages with much pride! ;) -------------------------- Message 4567 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 23:18:15 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Spamming *chat for Jesus! -------------------------- Message 4568 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 23:49:40 1998 EDT From: Caffeenid (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Whoooooooboy. This is one of those long posts no one is gonna care about. But, anyway... on with the spam. On clothing and rape: You have a right to wear what you like. You are also responsible for your own behavior. This also means that everyone else around you is responsible for their own behavior as well. The best example I can think of is this: Think of a strip club. You have a number of exceedingly attractive (ok, so that part isn't always true, but I digress) scantily clad men or women behaving in a blatantly sexual manner around members of the same or opposite sex who find them attractive, and have probably ingested a decent amount of alcohol. Does that mean the men or women on stage are asking for it, even in this extreme circumstance? No. Rape can have a monumental effect on someone's self-esteem. Most folks out there know this already, but I speak from personal experience here. No, I don't cry over it anymore -- but it has been a good 9 years now. I do know that I went from 100 pounds to 160 in that year, because subconciously I was trying to hide my body to protect myself. It does happen. Especially when you don't recognize that it is happenning. The reason I was given? "You're too pretty to be allowed to say 'no'". No, I'm not kidding. Sick, isn't it? I look at pictures from that time in my life, and am often stunned at what I looked like then. It is a dramatic difference. On female body types: People will tend, naturally, towards certain body types. It's nature. Some of it can be controlled, some can't. I may be thin again someday, but I'll never reach more than the whole five feet tall I am now. Life goes on. On female body types and clothing: First off, yes, there are some matters of taste to be addressed. I, for one, would not be caught _dead_ in spandex. Never. I wouldn't have done it when I was very thin, either, though. By the same token, however, we don't have the right to dictate our personal taste over anyone else. If you're that great? Become a designer. I dare you to try. Then you can show the world the perfection of your ways... but then again? They don't have to agree with you, either. Simply enough? If you don't like something you see? Don't look at it. Amazing how easy that is. Granted, some things are like a car wreck... but that's morbid curiousity at work. Was there anything else? Probably. Do I care at the moment? Probably not. It all comes down to the fact that we are free to choose whatever we like in life. We are responsible for our actions. We are not, however, responsible for other people's actions. Amen. -------------------------- Message 4569 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 23:55:12 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: One word: Happy medium Anorexic isn't beautiful. Nor are the pictures at rotten.com finis -------------------------- Message 4570 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Aug 30 23:57:06 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Well, those were two words. But you could just mush them together. HappyMedium -------------------------- Message 4571 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 04:18:59 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Feh I am utmostly bored. I need something new to learn. Ideas? me. -------------------------- Message 4572 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 17:43:53 1998 EDT From: Foot_Fetishist (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) Learn something here or something for your typist? -------------------------- Message 4573 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 18:03:17 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Goddamnit. Will you people shut the fuck up already? I mean, c'mon? Where are you getting with this. I really don't think everybody else subscribed to *chat wants to hear this two-way arguement so shut up already. Keep it to pages, otherwise people are gonna start to think like I am: That you guys who keep this going are just trying to inflate your egos. You're not proving anything though, so just shut up, or wait for Quinn to make a *bitches list. Until that happens, bugger off, because I'm not gonna @skip messages because for some odd reason or another, I keep believing that something important will be posted. -------------------------- Message 4574 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 18:22:50 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Ulfwerner, down on your knees and suckle my quivering love of love. It's spam, it'll keep happening, and you can BEND OVER AND TAKE IT, or just @Unsubscribe *wink* I.E.: STFU -------------------------- Message 4575 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 18:26:39 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Sorry, DB corrected me. I meant 'quivering rod of love. And STFU==Shut the Fuck Up -------------------------- Message 4576 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 18:34:51 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Hrm. Hey, I remember why I subscribed to chat..so I could spam objections to spam. That must be why. Oh well, fuck it. I probably shouldn't have posted that when I had 78 more messages to read. -------------------------- Message 4577 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 18:38:29 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Keep on reading. There's more spamalicious goodness waiting just for you. -------------------------- Message 4578 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 18:46:48 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Good food. o/~ I'll have a spam-burger, you'll have a ham-burger! Spam-burger, ham-burger! o/~ -------------------------- Message 4579 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 19:59:39 1998 EDT From: Foot_Fetishist (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: This post is for Ulfwerner So unsubscribe, fuckwit. Stop reading this damned list and get to sparring and hoarding already. -------------------------- Message 4580 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 21:49:48 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ulfinwhatsit Why is it everyone who bitches about spam always manages to contribute a fair share of their own? Yet they rationalize that their personal spam is indeed not spam. Go fulminate in a corner. FootF-- Learn something for the typist actually.. I'm damn bored and need something that will teach me something useful. like how to successfully destroy ulfinwhatsitthefuck with my mind. Yeah. Can we say bend a spoon? me -------------------------- Message 4581 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 21:55:01 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Ooo, Ulfy got 'em mad... ;) -------------------------- Message 4582 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 21:57:08 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Bah. didn't get me mad. Just taking an opportunity to bash an Antarctica candidate. -------------------------- Message 4583 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 23:55:29 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Um.. egos, Ulfy? Ok, how many times has it been stated that *chat is an OPEN FORUM? Am I also mistaken in my rememberance that you were taking part in certain *chat discussions that other people stated they thought superfluous? And as for egos - why should people "bugger off" at your request? The 'whine tactic' or even the 'pushing fellow MOOers around' tactic is getting old. Either leaf thru *chat or @skip it.. or, better yet, @unsubscribe and spare yourself the heart-wrenching decision. - Irritated Jess -------------------------- Message 4584 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 23:56:23 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Oh, and btw... I can already forsee Ulf's grumpy response. Allow me to remind the audience that this would perpetuate a two-person argument. --End of Transmission-- -------------------------- Message 4585 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Aug 31 23:58:26 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ooh, yet more spam from me... Apparently I spoke too soon. ;) Ulf's already been conked on the noggin' something fierce. Excuse my redundancy.. oh well. Teehee. On with the supa-fun. -Jess (again. YAY spam!) -------------------------- Message 4586 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 02:52:18 1998 EDT From: Caffeenid (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: More spam for the the rest of us! Fun fun fun. See, this argument came up on a bulletin board that I regularly visit yesterday. Let me give you a digest version of that little classic. Poster1: My son was just killed in a fire. Poster2: He's with God now. Be glad. God doesn't make mistakes. Poster3: Now that's really insensitive. Poster2: But it's true. --the next day-- Poster1: Can we please try to keep religious discussions out of this forum, since they are very off-topic? (It's a forum for a very specific collectible.) Poster2-7: We agree! Poster8: We can say whatever we like as Christians, and don't have to care about if what we say hurts somebody else, because it's not a religion, it's the TRUTH. (That's almost a direct quote.) Poster9-about 30: Uhmm... Poster8: You all will rot in the firey depths. The moral to this story? There's always an intolerant moron in every group who likes to bitch and whine, and several people who like to talk. Guess what? We have oodles of both, and we all like to talk. That's what *chat is for. *grin* Sooooo.... get over it. See, so long as you're allowed to have an opinion, so are the rest of us. That's just the way it works. I can see being pissed off if you thought that all of that was a continuation of that conversation, tho... eesh. Opinion: While I don't care if it was relevant, since I can just skip over it all, it was a bigtime waste of DB space, which we don't want to waste by keeping messages like that around forever. Wheefunthanks. It causes lag. I'm talking about the personal convo that may as well have been done through pages, BTW. It even did manage to piss me off. -------------------------- Message 4587 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 03:22:21 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Those people who insist that their religion is the automatic truth piss me off. That's just a random thought, by the way. ;)> -------------------------- Message 4588 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 03:23:02 1998 EDT From: Sister_Mary (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: ARGH!! Don't start that conversation now, PLEASE! -------------------------- Message 4589 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 03:48:08 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Uh oh. Religious debates. Run and hide, children. ;) -------------------------- Message 4590 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 06:37:56 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Now all the Blockbusters in town are trampled down by Titanic freak-fans. It's sad, really. -------------------------- Message 4591 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 06:54:12 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A Kiss A kiss is sucking your lips to the sweet end of 52 feet of intestine.. Heard that and thought it was too funny.. Figured I'd share. Red -------------------------- Message 4592 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 06:56:13 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: previous Oh, that covers both ends for those of you who swing that way.. To each his own.. *winks at Lykaj* Red -------------------------- Message 4593 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 06:59:52 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Red... I heard that somewhere as well... yik. Had to remind me? ;) -------------------------- Message 4594 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 07:11:02 1998 EDT From: Lykaj (#6068) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Last few posts I don't get it..maybe i need more coffee. -------------------------- Message 4595 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 07:13:14 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: last few posts Thats ok, forgot you had 52 feet of tongue so you can have your cake and eat it too.. *winks* -------------------------- Message 4596 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 07:14:34 1998 EDT From: Lykaj (#6068) To: *Chat (#5391) Lykaj licks his lips, along with anything else in a 52 foot radius. -------------------------- Message 4597 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 07:15:15 1998 EDT From: Lykaj (#6068) To: *Chat (#5391) Though I still don't get it. -------------------------- Message 4598 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 07:15:51 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) And they all thought we called ya Liverlips for nothing :) They never knew you could actually taste them.. -------------------------- Message 4599 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 10:20:46 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Yeah, my lack of unlineness has prevented me to tell Foot_F to fuck off, with the addition of Kael. And a special little note for Kael: Out of the 290 mostly bullshit posts I've had to wade through the last couple days, Kael....yours really took the cake. I mean, you weren't beating a dead horse....It was like you were ass-fucking the rotting thing while flies crawled out its mouth. With a short conclusion, 'the bitcher and whiners' seem to be the one's who give about 4 spammy posts in the last couple weeks, while you've done three times as much in a few days. And it usually _isn't_ considered spam when it makes sense, or comes to a point which could only be achieved in a paragraph or two. That's my shit fit, as you all forecasted. The big discussion is obviously over, and for that I thank the lord. -------------------------- Message 4600 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 10:21:52 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: last. Oh, I meant that I haven't been online as much as I'd like...for all the other 'fuckwits' like me around here. -------------------------- Message 4601 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 12:19:11 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) So bitter! How's about we all just get along like we used to pretend to do? Love yas bunches!! -Jess -------------------------- Message 4602 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 16:18:43 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Let's start that religious debate... I'm sure it will be fun! -------------------------- Message 4603 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 16:20:49 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Momma said, two things you shouldn't talk about in public is Religion and Politics.. Bad form there Mister Janus.. Now Sex we can talk about cause Momma didn't say we could't but none of them other things ya hear !! -------------------------- Message 4604 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 16:26:43 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: religion My parents it's ok to talk about sex, religion and politics in public. So I guess I should do the talking. However it's poor taste of talking of sex, religion and politics in public simultaneously. :) Hence I will avoid talking about the Clinton & Lweinsky affair. But we can talk about religion and sex. How does the christians amongst you handle the notion of sin (taking pleasure from sex being one of the 7th dedly sins) and their sexuality? Janus (atheist) -------------------------- Message 4605 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 16:31:21 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: religion Well, I only practice Rob's religion cause I decided I'm smart enough to form my own.. Ya see.. God made the grass, the trees and the stars above. So whats better than getting neckid and rolling about in the grass among the trees and under the stars?? I say its a perfectly religious experence.. The birds do it, and the bees do it.. And I reckon I can too.. As for original sin, I don't believe in it.. Never have.. It isn't my fault!! I didn't do it. Red -------------------------- Message 4606 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 16:32:28 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) The seven deadly sins are a construct of the catholic church. -------------------------- Message 4607 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 16:33:28 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Thank you Mister Rathe.. Yep who was a construct of the fall of the Roman empire to maintain power over the masses.. Can't beat them join em.. -------------------------- Message 4608 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 16:34:48 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Ok maybe not deadly sins... but a sin anyway. (If I remember the bible right.) -------------------------- Message 4609 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 16:35:48 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Well, then God, being the great and forgiving guy he is, is gonna have to deal ;) -------------------------- Message 4610 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 16:37:20 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) reread the bible and explain me where the forgiveness come from. When Adam and Eve sinned they were tossed out of Eden and God said all women would give birth in pain. So much for forgiveness :) -------------------------- Message 4611 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 16:38:43 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) yeah, what about that Mister Quinn?? You mean ol bastard.. Oh the other god.. Darn.. Always mess that up.. yeah but he didn't say anything to Adam that from then on everytime she was in that pain he's pay for it :) -------------------------- Message 4612 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 16:48:34 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Well, he'll have to deal anyway. -------------------------- Message 4613 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 16:49:22 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) don't fear to rot in hell? -------------------------- Message 4614 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 16:53:02 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) I'll worry about that when I'm dead. -------------------------- Message 4615 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 18:25:41 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: @re: 4611 *THWAPS RED HARD AND SILLY* -------------------------- Message 4616 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 18:49:54 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Feh Religion always gets tainted by things like belief and emotion. You can't have a truly logical debate with that. Oh and ulfie: I love you too ! -------------------------- Message 4617 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 19:08:03 1998 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: God..*snicker* I wont' knock any religions here, but...well, yea, I will...The whole thing with `God' is a farse. There is no ONE ALMIGHTY BEING...he/she doesn't exist...Think about it... Do you really believe that this God creature, who is all powerful, and all knowing, would he REALLY create a race of sentient creatures who have COUNTLESS flaws? No, i don't think so..If I were an all powerful, all knowing being, I would create the PERFECT race, not some half-assed attempt at humor, much like he supposedly did with Humans. Well, I s'pose that sums up all that I have to say. Rand The "Born again" Christian -------------------------- Message 4618 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 19:09:57 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Everyone has their own beliefs, their own religions. We all have our own opinions about it, and displaying on it a public *list, will just cause more flames. I know most of you will think of this as "oh, look, someone trying to restrict a public list", but i'm not. you can just spam to your delight, but it's pointless to play Religious debate. Ake -------------------------- Message 4619 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 19:35:40 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Rand's All religions could be invalidated by similar arguments. There is no logic to religion, honestly. All faiths require just that. Faith. I'm only 16, and I've been spending pretty much the last 8 years trying to figure out what that is. I'm still not sure. The existance of a god, or gods, or godesses, or multidemensional overseeing uberthings cannot be proven. Nor can their existance be disproven.. for the same reasons. Humans are not all-knowing, we can't be sure what exists out there.. it remains to be seen if there is anything out there that IS all-knowing. *shrug* Religion is the worshiper's business. Not the business of anyone else. Unless said follower of said religion tries to impose their views upon others. Then they're fair game for automatic weapon fire ;) The voice of reason (yeah right), Rathe. -------------------------- Message 4620 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 20:15:49 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Rand But but, you for got about !!! ME!! I am ONE ALMIGHTY BEING!!! So is Rathe.. and we did create you as a joke.. So amuse us already! Red -------------------------- Message 4621 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 20:17:04 1998 EDT From: Draven (#20327) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Religion and Sex Well, it's pretty simple for me. I'm Christian, most definately, but also not Catholic. Sex doesn't damn us to eternity in hell, in my vaguely more liberal denomination (Lutheran, for anyone who's actually reading this). Sex is ... well, a good thing. Pleasure = sin is way too old a theory to adhere to. Thought we got over that after the dark ages. But that's just me. If I'm wrong, guess I'm headed straight to hell. Oh well. Better enjoy life while it lasts, 'eh? -------------------------- Message 4622 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 20:20:37 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: religion Supposedly God created man in his image, perhaps God isn't perfect either. That is if you believe in God. And I don't. I believe religion was created out of fear and unknowing. As far as sex being a sin, that's the biggest crock of shit that ever spewed from men. Just another lie to control woman if you ask me. Put the fear of God into em and they will stay home and never wander. Just like the undies they used to make us wear, not to mention the full suited bathing gear. -------------------------- Message 4623 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 20:23:01 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Words from a Christian I was raised a Catholic and though I don't actively practice it anymore, some of it is still stuck inside me. Rose called upon the Christians to voice stuff, so here I go... In regards to sex, premarital sex (intercourse) is prohibited. It is viewed as a sacred act for the purpose of procreation - something reserved for married folk. Now, the biggest scandals often involve Catholic priests, altarboys and sodemy. People are only human, or less than human if you take on a moral stance. Before the fated 'temptation' - that old Apple story, Adam and Eve knew no sin and no shame. I remember the bible talking about God punishing them with shame...it was all of a sudden that their nudity seemed 'wrong'. Guess if it weren't for shame, clothing might have never come about. What Rathe said is true...it is a matter of faith. I have come to believe that man himself invented religion so that he could have something to believe in. A higher purpose or understanding for our existence. Whether one believes or not, is one's prerogative. Whether a higher power does exist or not, is a matter of one's faith or perspective. The Bible itself is a collective of lessons and stories that are supposed to guide people towards living better lives. Search for the good. As for going to hell and sin...well sins are also forgiven. The act of sin is balanced by the act of repenting. In that sense, I've always been sorry that I don't have sex more...or maybe that wasn't the idea. -------------------------- Message 4624 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 20:55:46 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Well, in my own opinion, I agree with Clayson -- that religion was based on 'fear and unknowing'. Call me a science chick, but I've never really believed in some 'holy' being or whatever--I have practically no faith. Nothing to look up to? So what. There's always the skies. My opinion. Please don't hunt me down and kill me. Oh, and, it pisses me off that God said women will be in pain when giving birth -- I mean, it's like, okay, whatever. Alright! Enough of my ramblings, I'm sure *chat's gonna be flamed about how religion shouldn't be a discussed topic since there's so many different views... -------------------------- Message 4625 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 21:02:04 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Women and Childbirth There are alot of women out there that do not suffer 'pain' at all or none to get in a tizzy about when they give birth. Wonder where that sits with 'Gods' condemning all women to rbing forth life in pain and misery? *hugs* Di/DB (Just my 2 cents worth) -------------------------- Message 4626 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 22:19:45 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Well Maybe...and this is a stretch if you can believe it... Maybe mankind was supposed to multiply in a different way. Eve was said to have been created from Adam's rib... Maybe men, and not women were the ones who were first destined to bear children... -------------------------- Message 4627 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 22:24:03 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Uhh. Well, 'Adam' was first to be 'made' because back then women had a bad rep. So, they made women second-best. Evolution, baby! Or maybe, like Einstein mentioned, did God have any choice with creating the world we live in now? I personally wouldn't use God; maybe it was some glitch in nature, that we became too smart for our own selves, since we're slowly destroying the planet. Yeah. So. -------------------------- Message 4628 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 22:27:11 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: @re: $ HEAR! HEAR! *ducks and runs!* -------------------------- Message 4629 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 22:27:31 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Question: How could women have had a bad rep if they didn't already exist? Just wondering. -------------------------- Message 4630 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 22:28:43 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Ahh, lemme rephrase. Back 'then', like, even in the 50s, they were looked at as housewives, couldn't vote, slaved over the children, etc etc. -------------------------- Message 4631 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 22:28:51 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: $ (Err 4626 - Air's) Meant that for Ari's post. Sorry, Mikaera, you got there faster. -------------------------- Message 4632 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 22:29:52 1998 EDT From: Kzin (#5800) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Heh, hah Depends on which cultures you're speaking of, in the 50's, or even in pre-history. Not all societies or religions downplayed females as secondary, or as 'merely' wives and mothers. -------------------------- Message 4633 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 22:30:37 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yeah. I'll take a history course. -------------------------- Message 4634 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 22:33:13 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Agreed with Kzin. Matriarchal societies were more common in say the Hunting and Gathering times. -------------------------- Message 4635 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 1 23:26:51 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Women, history and the bible First off: As the substance of the begining creations ( Adam and Eve ) lets just say that neither of them were much to write home about. When they were cast out ( and if you really want this quoted I can give it to you, verse by verse and all that ) they both were rather sniveling and such. Neither much accepted what they had done. Also: Women and childbirth, it was also stated that 'Man will toil all the days of his life' or such to be burdened by work to care for the woman. Lessie. Exact quotage : "To the woman He said: I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. "Then to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying 'you shall not eat of it': "Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, and yhou shall eat the herb of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread , till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; For dust you are, and to dust you shall return. . That was from the king james. Granted, there is a LOT of Christianity I don't dig. Its an extremely Male-centered religion ( I miss Lillith *grin* ) and that has part to do with the writers and the history. If you look at religions proper ( the three major: Islam, Christianity and Judasim) they are all centered around patriarchal forms. Partially because they all have the same basis. They all condem the woman to be 'less'. And unfortunately, we have creations like the Promise keepers and all that rot to further that. Other religions aren't that strict. So what does this mean about the religion? Well, it means there is a lot of clever 'fixes' along the historical paths. Read the lost books of the Bible , for instance and you'll find that Christianity has been fixed and altered from its central theme. Granted, the foundation sticks, but the wordage, the principle dictation and the treatments get fucked with along the way. About the only religion I know of (major, book religion) that does not degrade women outright is Buddhism. They have this nice equality kick. And I sort of dig that. If I missed one, please clue me in. This is World Religion and a few basic readings speaking here. Me -------------------------- Message 4636 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 03:41:05 1998 EDT From: Sister_Mary (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Religion Debate that we got dragged into anyway. First, I'd like to congradulate everyone on a really interesting and informative debate. It's like everyone just stating their opinions while accepting everyone else's. How... nice! Myself, I'm pagan. I have a belief that's multi-tiered and very difficult to explain, but I have garnered it from my own life experiences. I tend towards the meta-physical aspect of it, wherein we are all energies in a cosmic cycle of death/life/rebirth. Our bodies are shells and we exist in them until a lesson is learned, be it that we learn it immediatly and die at birth, or live a long life and die at 102. I cannot believe that I am here just to exist and nothing else. Rathe is right, there are just too many unknowns that we as humans cannot percieve. So, I have righted this in my mind to my own comfort. I believe we exist for a purpose. This is not to say I believe that we are pre-destined for something, it is to say that we are placed into a mortal coil to expand our 'souls', our etherworld entities, to grow and learn beyond the ages. For what? I don't truly know. I ponder this often, but there are no answers while I remain in my current trappings. Perhaps when I rejoin with the Earth and my energies are released, I will know for a brief time before my next life. Is it a weird belief? Yes, and I know it, but you'd be surprised how many out there actually agree with part of it. I reached deeply into the the depths of my psyche to find these answers. In fact, I'm still journeying there to find myself. And for that, Rathe is also right. Everyone has to find out for themselves what they believe in, what 'feels' right. And in my next post, a bit of religious history. HEE! P'nine -------------------------- Message 4637 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 03:49:39 1998 EDT From: Sister_Mary (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Religion and History. Despite what many Christians will say, Christianity/Judaism is a newcomer to the realms of Religion. The first religions were recorded millions of years ago in a form of Pagan worship, sympathetic magick. In the time of the hunters/gatherers, things that we understand today, such as lightning/volcanoes/earthquakes, were wonders that the people didn't know how to deal with. They equated them with Gods, otherworldly beings who could be enraged with the little people of the earth. These people developed religion in order to try to appease these 'gods' and live in harmony with them. They developed rituals, such as dances and in some cases sacrifices, to appease their gods, as well as celebrate and worship as a community. Originally religion was NOT intended to control people. Instead, it was a necessity for dealing with the unknowns of the world that frightened and intimidated man and woman. The control issue came later as man realized that Religion could become an instrument of control. Even in Judaism and Christianity today, old remnents of the Pagan religions remain. How about in the bible when Caine and Abel sacrified to God? Ritual. Easter and Christmas were both placed close to the Pagan holidays of Yuletide/Winter Solstice and Beltaine. In fact, Christmas trees, the colors green and red, yuletide logs, easter eggs and maypoles are all very pagan in origin. Goes to show that even during times of persecution, you can't totally kill something so engrained in the brains of the people. ;) -------------------------- Message 4638 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 05:19:41 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: pagan practices adopted The Christian bible and the Jewish Talmud/Torah Adopt TONS of practices ... Will they admit it ? No. At the same time, I think pagan religions begot from other religions so to speak. Its just a human trait: We take what we see and copy it. Nothing is really original. Its like that today. -------------------------- Message 4639 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 05:27:19 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The Creator It wasn't me who called on this debate but Janus.. I was just the first idiot to jump for it. Anyhow this is my belief. Take it as you will. First off I believe most religions where created by man to control the population. That said I don't practice any of them. But to honestly say there is no God I can't. I can't look at a sunset or a sunrise without believing that the actual beauty that surrounds us was a accident. I only think that it is through mans arrogance that he thinks it is all for him and created religions and god to control things in his life. The planet is bigger than us and there are far more creatures on it than just man/woman. Also if you look past our planet out into the cosmos you know that there has to be more to it all. I think it is through our own arrogance we only think it is for us and we can't see past our noses.. Sure we are not perfect and we have plenty of flaws.. But we are capable of over coming these things and maybe oneday we will touch the face of god. God is a artist, as any artist he makes mistakes but it is in those flaws that the real beauty of the world comes out. Humans alike are at their best in disastor, but we are only one creature upon this planet and to assume it is all for us is wrong. The only hell is the hell we create. I think god must look upon us at times with pitty for this. We have his gifts but are still children and coloring outside the lines. Anyhow.. There it is.. It is far more complex than that but think I sumed it up best I can.. For a uneducated poor breeding and all that. Rob -------------------------- Message 4640 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 05:53:06 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: religion Oh, and on the thought.. A prime example of the christian religion and its hypicrital methods is the Lutheran church.. (Nothing bad against ya Draven) This branch stems from the Church of England which was formed by Henry IIIV so he could get his divorces without the pope jumping down his throat. Lutheran's mostly claim to be liberalized cathlics but it just means they can get by with more without going to confession. This is just one example.. Sorry Draven, really not picking on you.. Had a old ex friend who I use to argue with alot over it who was a Lutheran. Red -------------------------- Message 4641 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 06:07:28 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The Expert Of course until Lykaj has posted this debate isn't gonna be complete.. He's the expert ya know.. Huffish people got all the answers.. Besides.. He's good I tell ya.. -------------------------- Message 4642 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 06:33:13 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Wish someone would wake up and talk to me.. Sure do get lonely around this place so early in the morning.. But... IN OTHER NEWS!! This morning in Albuquerque the weather is clear and cool with winds out of the east at about 20 miles per hour. Stars are very nice and clear except for the city lights. We have a chance of late evening thunderstorms demishing later tonight.. Mikki goes into the groomers today for her fall bath and brushing.. Clean puppy make me happy!! No sneezes! I have a dentist appointment at 1pm MDT where! I will get the work done to have a permenate bridge put in to replace my front teeth!! Woo woo! I will look good! Mom is doing well and wants me to drop her by her work today so she can visit.. Of course I will say hi to the girl that works there that reminds me of my Little One.. She's a cutie.. Toria called last night to see how I was doing and I talked to Heretic aka John for awhile.. Seems he's without a splitter so he can't use his second line.. So what does he do?? He don't get on cause his little woman might just call him.. You'd think he'd have enough of her by now don't ya think?? Well she is special and I ain't had enough of her either but still!! I'm here without my Moonheart.. Somethings gotta be done about this.. Anyhow they are doing good except Toria's brother has bad luck with cars and phone splitters it seems.. If it don't get replaced soon I will go crazy without my John to talk to!! Well, thats all the babble I can come up with right now.. You all stay tuned and I will keep you updated on the world and at least my little corner of it.. Love ya Rob -------------------------- Message 4643 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 06:57:17 1998 EDT From: Lykaj (#6068) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: expert Bah..piss off. -------------------------- Message 4644 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 07:44:09 1998 EDT From: Caffeenid (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Oooohboy. Why do I always miss this stuff? Whew. Here I can actually _say_ all the things I wanted to say on the other site, but couldn't. Whee! (Read: You poor bastards, you're about to be spammed to hell [if you believe in hell] and back.) On 'the origins'...: Yep, Ep's right. Originally, religion was a response to natural events that we were at the time unable to understand. We understand this in terms of 'mythology', and accept that fact. Well, what is a myth? A story that explains why things are the way they are. A mythology would be a collection of those stories that does its best to explain why everything is the way that it is. Now for what will get me flamed: Every system of beliefs, at its center, is a mythology. It is a means of explaining 'how and why'. Now... before you start laughing, think about this. Expand the mind just a little to realize that I don't mean 'mythology' in terms of simple folktales alone. A myth is the explanation of something in a form that will be understood by others. Facts are often strung into a myth. It's the best explanation we can come up with for 'mysterious event X' from the information we have. Think on it this way: Even in science, we only have hypotheses. What does that mean? Even a purely scientific viewpoint can be seen as its own mythology -- say that to someone and watch them laugh, or see their jaw hit the floor once it actually processes through their brain. So what does this mean? Every system of beliefs is an explanation, and is therefore a 'mythology'. I do _not_ use that term to degrade or lower any belief system, it's merely a definition -- one that fits. Religion and science attempt to explain the things we don't know, and don't understand. Some of those things, we may never be capable of knowing, therefore... mythology. No matter which mythology you believe in, it's still just that: How you believe things came to be the way they are now. Most people have personal mythologies, even if they do subscribe to a specific religion. I tend to view all of them as just that -- possible answers. On Lilith: Having done a little digging... Lilith is a favorite of mine, even if she is just an allegory. Does anyone know what Lilith's sin was? Let me share a few versions here. 1: She made a pact with Lucifer. (Well, according to the bible, so did Eve, so what's the big deal here?) 2: She asked _far_ too many questions. 3: She demanded equality with Adam. What happenned to Lilith? Well, most versions say either that 'they don't know' or that she burrowed (yes, burrowed) her way into the earth to bear little demons to torment mankind for the rest of eternity. Some also say that she simply wandered of, or was destroyed by God. Now let's think about this little gem, with a little interpretation. She wanted equality and understanding, so she perhaps did something 'bad'. Now, since there are detailed descriptions of how Eve did her 'bad thing', why don't we see the same for Lilith? Why isn't she mentioned all that often, if at all? (Now you see why I was never a favorite in Sunday School -- I asked _all_ the 'wrong' questions.) If we liken her to a terrorist, killing a thousand people to get her way, then -- fine. Sure thing. That's bad. Let her bear her little demons all she likes in her burrow. But. If she asked someone else what the truth was since she didn't get her answers from God, and that's her sin? Well, ouch. How many people do you know, when told, 'I'm not going to tell you that, and you shouldn't ask me that' _won't_ go and try to find out, or ask someone else? Not many, right? These days, saying, 'I want equality and understanding' isn't a sin. If you'll pardon the pun? Thank -insert diety of choice here-. As a matter of fact, we see it said every day, and usually support the idea. I have a bit more info about the topic, but until I can find the book that it's all in, I'm not going to stick my foot any further into my mouth about the whos and wheres about the issue. Now, when that story was set down, several religions in the surrounding areas were followers of fertility gods and goddesses. In some areas, these faiths were merged with the earliest parts of the bible, and people believed that God and the fertility goddess were equal consorts. Lilith is often likened to the fertility goddess, and is said, perhaps, to symbolize her. As 'There shall be no God other than me' is stated, the treatment of Lilith (and also the curious fact that there is no record of God actually _creating_ Lilith...) in the texts has been compared to the extermination of the fertility cults, and those who saw the fertility goddess as being a diety that went hand in hand with God. Think about it: I want equality? A big and resounding 'no'. Though there's quite a bit more to say on the subject... well, I have to actually get some work done today to make sure all of my orders are out on time. Hope that sparks some more interesting *chat posts, at least. -------------------------- Message 4645 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 09:33:15 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: nice As Eppy said: nice! The debate is really interesting. Thanks you guys for posting. Now let me add my grain of salt to a couple of posts... -------------------------- Message 4646 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 09:43:15 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Lilith & Eve Here is one of the version of the story about Lilith I got (sumarized) First God created a man (Adam) and a woman (Lilith) equals (from same source.) When God assigned the roles to Adam and Lilith, Lilith was not too hot on the job description. She ended making a deal with Lucifer and joined him, some say as Lucifer's "wife" but that not a good description since Lilith wanted to remain free which is why she didn't want to be Adam's wife. (Reminder, Lucifer used to be the brightest of God's angels before to fall, Lilith might have been charmed by that rebel kind of guy ;-) As for Eve she is the 2nd or 3rd woman God made (depending on the sources/story God would have made a new woman after Lilith departure, but since he couldn't/wouldn't want to make it like Lilith and Adam was uterly disgusted by her, or something that.) That story is better know, Adam was made out of Adam, yaddady yaddada. As for the original sin, I think it was really about knowledge (biting the apple of knowledge) than just sex :) -------------------------- Message 4647 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 10:08:20 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: God There is no God, how could there possibly be? What creator would allow a small child to be raped and brutally murdered by their own father? We are nothing more then a chance, a small nothing in space. Proven over and over again by scientific fact. Fact is tangible, fiction is not. -------------------------- Message 4648 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 10:12:39 1998 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Faith, Atheism, and Gratuitous Punctuation As Rathe said, it's all about Faith. Indeed, belief may very well create a God. A newborn isn't a Christian wet out of the womb, but for some, through environment (parental conditioning, dinnertime prayers, brutal beatings by nuns) a God is *created*. If enough people believe in something, doesn't it, for all practical purposes, "exist"? You can deny God all you like, but for millions of others, a God *does exist*. For them, God is tangible, and they're not "insane" by conventional terms for believing it. When I call myself an atheist, what I'm really saying is that if there is some sentient "God" being, I'm not worshipping it. If it's a just God, a fair God, a "perfect" God, then I won't be punished for not satisfying its "ego", because a perfect being wouldn't require the unconditional love and obedience of others. I can't prove or disprove God. The bottom line is that if God does exist, I don't worship "it". -------------------------- Message 4649 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 10:22:31 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: religions & manipulation Eppy and later Spi stated: >Originally religion was NOT intended to control people. Nice theory. But as far as I know we can only make suppositions of what happened millions of years ago, using our intuition or the intuition of anthropologists and the 'rests' of civilizations that disapeared "millions" of years ago. There is just no way to prove or affirm that originally religion was not intended to control people (there is also no way to prove it was used on that purpose.) I pretty much agree with the religions/mythologies being there to answer the need for people to get 'answers' to questions (whenever those questions have an answer or no.) In that regard science is a kind of religion (mostly focused on answering questions about the physical world.) Now it happend that often people use religion/mythologies/beliefs to manipulate other people. But then people manipulate each other outside of religion. I guess tho with religion it's easier since the worshipper is doing an act of faith. It's a sad thing, it just happend. Oh well. -------------------------- Message 4650 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 10:24:55 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Faith, Atheism, and Gratuitous Punctuation Damn, Quinn read my mind. I was gonna post a note on what Rathe said and my beliefs, but Quinn explain it better than I would. -------------------------- Message 4651 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 10:26:25 1998 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Religion again...feh There is no god! We are all just characters in a HUGE RolePlaying Game...its true! I have proof...er...well, no I don't but I might. Rand (My player is an ASSHOLE!) -------------------------- Message 4652 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 11:27:45 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: From a deslexec's point of view There are all sorts of doG's!! I prefer the mutts actually but some god's that are purebred are nice god's too.. Another silly post.. -------------------------- Message 4653 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 14:34:22 1998 EDT From: Sister_Mary (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Religion, woo! No, Janus, I can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that originally religion wasn't born of man's desire to manipulate other men. However, it seems logical that in the beginning religion was, as Spiral put it, a means for the community to explain the nature of the world around them. Religion is still much the same today. And there will always be the spirit of religion, no matter where you go. So long as there are mysteries left in the world that man cannot immediately discover the answers to, there will be the need to explain them anyway, hence mythology will again be born. As for 'there is no God'. We don't know that. I don't believe in a Christian version of God, but I do believe in energies, which I personify as my own mythology as gods, that shape and guide the universe in its entirety. I stopped believing in God for much the same reason as Clayson stated. An all loving, all knowing and perfect God just doesn't fit this crazy world we live in. And that's enough from me for now. Whee! -------------------------- Message 4654 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 14:53:37 1998 EDT From: Ariadne (#20332) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Lutheran I believe that Red Fang was refering to the ANGLICAN branch of Christianity - in reference to King Henry of England. Post #4640. It was not only to fulfil the king's lust for another woman, however -- Anglicanism, unlike Catholicism allows divorce/annulment. Henry needed an heir for the throne, I think. His Queen was barren. Lutheran is German, I think. Anglican is British. -------------------------- Message 4655 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 14:58:55 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Random, stupid thoughts. Although I myself am an agnostic (which, Quinn, I believe is the word you're looking for... whereas atheists flat-out deny the existence of a god, agnostics acknowledge that there might be one, but they don't necessarily care or have anything to do with it), I would have to agree with Sister Mary's earlier post in regard to us simply being energy... Energy can never be created nor destroyed, one of the simplest things we all learned in junior high science class... and all things require energy to perform actions, correct? In that case, our brain would require energy to rationalize, observe, convey emotions and basically manage the other parts of our body... does the required energy for these tasks come from glucose? Or is there another form of energy that serves as our own sense of awareness, 'sentience,' as some might call it? I would think that perhaps said energy would release itself from its shell upon death, thus leading to a sort of energetic reincarnation... But what the hell do I know, I've never taken a chemistry or physics class in my life. ;)> -------------------------- Message 4656 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:02:14 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) All I can say is... Some people believe in God. Some don't. And now... WISH ME A HAPPY BWIRFDAY! Nyeah! And congratulate the new scanner dubbed "Bubba" in the Ehlers household. Thank you. -------------------------- Message 4657 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:02:16 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) If we're all characters in a giant roleplaying game, why the hell aren't I fighting orcs and shit? And wouldn't that make the DM god? -------------------------- Message 4658 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:03:14 1998 EDT From: Sister_Mary (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Happy Bwirfday!!! -------------------------- Message 4659 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:06:18 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: "HAPPY BIRFDAY MIKAERA! And now, for your birthday enjoyment, plenty of goateed madness (essentially recycling every smiley I know of and giving it a goatee): ;)> :)> 8)> ;B> :(> :p> And our specially-constructed beatnik: {8)- -------------------------- Message 4660 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:06:41 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) um. -------------------------- Message 4661 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:06:52 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Fewer smileys, please. Thanks. -------------------------- Message 4662 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:09:56 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Er Durandal has decided that you're worthy enough to listen to him. He pages, "She has a goatee thing going on. ;)>" Herm. Maybe this is what I've been doing wrong. Will growing a goatee get me women? Or maybe I should just try going outside.. *twitch* $elf -------------------------- Message 4663 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:10:13 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Random, stupid thoughts. Ah! Thanks Durandal. I think Quinn and I are agnostics, not atheist. Glad to know a new word (or rather the definition of a new word.) -------------------------- Message 4664 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:11:57 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: "Goatees and agnosticism. Rathe: really. And you can even get 'explicit content' CDs without being asked about your age. Janus: That, and 'atheist' is just such a harsh word, don't you agree? -------------------------- Message 4665 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:13:07 1998 EDT From: Quinn (#2) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: agnosticism I had a reason for not being an agnostic, but I've forgotten it. Now that I re-read the definition, it does indeed appear I am an agnostic. Why did I bother making up "apatheist" to mean "I don't care if there's a God?" -------------------------- Message 4666 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:14:06 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: agnosticism Because you're just a crazy mixed-up guy? -------------------------- Message 4667 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:14:35 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) First... Sister Mary and Durandal get the prize for being ultracoolneatoawesomesnazzerific people. Next... *dr00l* and *how cute!* and *Eeee!* at the way-chillin' goatees. Lastly... All I can say, Rathe, is it'll get -me-. ;) :cackle: Never underestimate the power of a goatee. And I quote the "Brief History of a Goatee"... Today's Gen-X slackers have given the goatee new life, seeing it a low maintenance form of self-expression. They're fun to wear. Who gives a rip about the goatee's sordid history, anyway? -------------------------- Message 4668 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:16:15 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: They have a history? Not to mention a _sordid_ one? Ooo. Sounds kinky. And I'm not even a Gen-Xer. -------------------------- Message 4669 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:18:25 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Ayep. http://www.requestline.com/pop/feature/1996/09/goatee/, to anyone who has the time to read it all. Isn't the Internet wonderful? -------------------------- Message 4670 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:29:14 1998 EDT From: Sister_Mary (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) NO SOUNDING BOARD! If so, SOMEONE ELSE'S QUOTA CAN BE CLOGGED BY IT! -------------------------- Message 4671 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:30:03 1998 EDT From: Sister_Mary (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Agnostics. Or a lapsed Atheist, you mean. *wink* -------------------------- Message 4672 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:32:14 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *sb My reasoning for sounding board is this... *chat currently does what *sb used to do. Why not just bring it back so *chat can go back to mostly game related stuff (not that it ever completely was). That way those who don't want to be spammed with 250 messages about religion can still read the game-related stuff in *chat. And this isn't a bitch, since I love and contribute to the spam. But I figure it probably ticks off a few others, and the solution seems simple. :) -------------------------- Message 4673 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 15:39:23 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Sterno's on ideas I don't want *sb to come back, it seems to bring the worst out in everyone (or maybe just me) then ppl get mad and hurt. Its not a good thing. -------------------------- Message 4674 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 16:07:31 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Sounding board Sounding Board was a place where people would bitch at each other, spread stupid shit, etc. Why bring back something like that? I'm against it coming back, if there is a motion to bring it back. Just remember this if you're saying *chat is all about game stuff: *Chat, *Talk, *chatter (#5391) [Public] A list for general talk amongst citizens. It's all OOC, but can and should be about IC plots and places. Ake against more quota boards. -------------------------- Message 4675 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 16:09:10 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) *sb was mostly flames and hatred. The thread on religion is nice. -------------------------- Message 4676 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 16:27:29 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Bye for now... They're going to take my blood! Eeeek! -------------------------- Message 4677 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 16:54:45 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Alright... I see what you guys are saying with flames etc. That's not my point, I guess. Maybe I should clarify. *chat is good. We all like to babble about things. But how about one board for game related chatter, and one for general religion/birthday/I'm bored/current news/etc chatter. That way people don't have to wade through 200 general chatter posts to get to something about the game. And agreed, the topics on *sb were usually just flames. I guess I just used *sb as an example, call it *gc for game chatter or something. -------------------------- Message 4678 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 18:03:26 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) And now, a quote from the X-Files. I know who you are, and I know who you work for. Now, you go back and tell the-- Tell them what? What /happened/ here? -- I don't get it myself. Conspiracy stuff. -------------------------- Message 4679 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 18:06:40 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Except my eyes weren't bloodshot. In blatant ignorance of Sterno's previous postings (muwahahaha), I'd like to say that I only look stoned on the moderate-to-advanced level on my school ID. Wonder how the yearbook ones will turn out. -------------------------- Message 4680 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 19:08:29 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Note: Those of you who are caucasian (sp?): Buy one of the "Kill Whitey" t-shirts. I'm going to. It'd be funny. Who said white boys can't be cool? $elf -------------------------- Message 4681 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 2 19:12:18 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) http://www.unamerican.com/catalog.html Has a "Whitey will pay" t-shirt Try head shops or something for the 'kill whitey' shirts. I've seen them. -------------------------- Message 4682 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 02:20:51 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: An Apology Sue's right, I am sorry I got my churches mixed up this morning er yesterday morning at this time I reckon.. The Lutheran Church or Lutheranism was adopted by Martin Luther (1483-1546) in Germany. Now I gotta remember which church I was thinking of.. Again I am sorry for that.. Should think before I type. Red -------------------------- Message 4683 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 15:34:20 1998 EDT From: Janus (#3597) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: sad sad sad..first VR fishing now this... Next thing you know they will make games about serial killers... oh wait. :-) Of course nothing will beat the Raise Your Family In a House With White Fence And Pool VR kit... -------------------------- Message 4684 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 15:58:51 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) I'd buy a serial killer game. Any suggestions? -------------------------- Message 4685 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 15:59:33 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Serial killers. I heard of a game called 'Postal'... -------------------------- Message 4686 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 15:59:51 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Dunno about serial killer games, but hey, IT'S MY BIRTHDAY! Ake -------------------------- Message 4687 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 16:01:18 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Happy Birthday Akeashar! I've already ordered the cake with the scantily-clad eighty year old man inside. -------------------------- Message 4688 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 16:01:53 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Took you long enough ;) -------------------------- Message 4689 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 16:06:01 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) I just hope they don't have a mix-up and send us Charles Manson... -------------------------- Message 4690 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 16:12:05 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Happy Birthday, Mikaera! -------------------------- Message 4691 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 16:12:42 1998 EDT From: DragonBabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Happy Birthday Akea!! *HUGS!* -------------------------- Message 4693 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 16:23:24 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) You're a year closer to death. Suffer. -------------------------- Message 4694 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 16:34:45 1998 EDT From: Bishamon (#23011) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Rathe Don't you know it's not nice if you don't say 'please' before telling people to suffer? -------------------------- Message 4695 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 16:37:31 1998 EDT From: Zykk (#21824) To: *Chat (#5391) I just finished wading through all 300+ messages here and I just want to say... 1) Happy birthday to anyone who has the courage to admit it ;) 2) I like the idea of the game chatter mailing list 3) Well, who knows what else there is to say. As for the religious stuff, if there is a god, I haven't met him/her/it. See ya again in another 300 messages or so! ~:)> -------------------------- Message 4696 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 21:56:42 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: 1161 on *ideas Wow, something woke Mulder up from his Idleness?? -------------------------- Message 4697 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 22:35:58 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) IT'S A MIRACLE! -------------------------- Message 4698 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 3 22:37:05 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Ah. Heh. The last message was supposed to go to *ideas. (I'm thinking straight today, no?) -------------------------- Message 4699 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 4 19:18:47 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) The new @reroll thing is a bit discouraging... I've been @rerolling forever, the highest I got was a mere 346. -------------------------- Message 4700 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 4 23:35:14 1998 EDT From: Xiara (#14877) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Dunno where to put this. but it was funny Sater comes to kill me. Fine. *yawn* been there done that. So I gag him ( after about a spam ful and a half of his banter about what a whore/bitch/yayah I was. *Grin* Anyway, I get this delivered. Look who's crying about being killed. You know. Everytime I fucken see you i will kill you just for the hell of it. Watch you back whore. P.S. Learn to spell. It's I D I O T not idjit. And learn how to make WHOLE sentences. Look who needs to learn English. (From Sater) Why is it this kind of stuff continually solidifies my comments on how utterly LAME people are. And predictable. I know, I know. nothing happens. Its just ... funny. NOt like I really bitched about the death or anything, big deal. Its more the utter stupidity i'm forced to endure. -Xi -------------------------- Message 4701 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 4 23:41:15 1998 EDT From: Sater (#4919) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: RE - last Stop acting like you don't care. Cause you do. I could care less what you think xiara. You came crying to me first. I tried to ignore you by gagging ya but you fucken mailed me twice. Now stop spamming all these poor ppl! -------------------------- Message 4702 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 4 23:43:42 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: wow The inundation of the idiots is upon us. -------------------------- Message 4703 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 5 00:04:58 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) _This_ is the kind of quarrel you take care of through pages, if it hasn't been already... -------------------------- Message 4704 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 5 03:18:28 1998 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Problem I dont know if anyone else is having this problem, but Durandal and I have been trying to boost our bladed for a couple days now and havent been able to. Just wondering if anyone else is having this problem? -------------------------- Message 4705 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 5 03:38:43 1998 EDT From: Oberon (#22725) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Heh actually, cant seem to boost anything armed. -------------------------- Message 4706 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 5 11:47:05 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Stats. For starters try using a dagger, not a broadsword, it's lighter. -------------------------- Message 4707 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 5 15:38:49 1998 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Looking for... If you are a good Moo Programmer or Builder, we may have a place for you on a new MOO! Get ahold of me if you are interested...if you want to look around as a guest, get ahold of me and i'll give you the addy. Rand -------------------------- Message 4708 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 5 19:22:56 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Book Recommendation. James Redfield's 'The Celestine Prophecy'. Good book. -------------------------- Message 4709 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 5 20:52:07 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Quota o' the day "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" --Edmund Burke -------------------------- Message 4710 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 5 20:53:45 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) "Some people just figure it's cool to be evil. *shrug* Go fig" --Anonymous -------------------------- Message 4711 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 5 21:02:16 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ah, by the way. My view on psychology and emotional bearings: People fall into two categories. Sheep and wolves. The former allow themselves to be manipulated, follow popular trends, let others make decisions for them. The latter are the manipulators, and the people who exert control. And while doing it, they don't really give a shit what happens to the sheep, as long as their goals are met. Everyone is sheep or wolf to some degree. The problem is, if you start in one direction or another, you begin to fall further in. And it's hard as hell to get back to any kind of balance between the two. finis -------------------------- Message 4712 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 5 21:03:34 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: last Where do the people fall who decide they're gonna act different so as not to follow trends. Would that make them just as much a sheep? -------------------------- Message 4713 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 5 21:04:01 1998 EDT From: Bishamon (#23011) To: *Chat (#5391) Those are the sheepdogs, Sterno. -------------------------- Message 4714 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 6 01:44:57 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Something seems to be screwed with the combat system... I was trying to help spar a newbie up to average bladed, and subsequently blunt. Even when given what might normally be an appropriate amount of damage for his skill, he failed to boost after 50+ swings with a rapier (for bladed) and the same number with a quarterstaff (for blunt). Does anyone know what's wrong here, or are me and a few others the only ones? -------------------------- Message 4715 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 6 03:16:46 1998 EDT From: Darius_Lee (#10280) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: heh My brother got married today...I caught the bouquet.... help. -------------------------- Message 4716 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 6 03:17:44 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Move to Hollywood and look for rich old guys. -------------------------- Message 4717 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 6 05:39:38 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: heh You silly girl, catching that bouquet!!! Hmm, Now who to marry you off to?? Ya know Uncle has to approve.. Ok, just don't panic we will figure something out.. Hmm... Uncle. -------------------------- Message 4718 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 6 09:09:46 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Betcha it was easy huh? It was a setup. -------------------------- Message 4719 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 6 12:08:20 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Sparring... Don't let the subject throw you off. This isn't about Oberon and Durandal's predicament, but rather, mine. For the last 10 days I've been asking multiple people to spar...and this is just to get my hourly boost for bladed or something. Yet they're _all_ busy, and as I've said to some of them, it seems like they're bullshitting me just to not have to spar in the first place. Not to sound like some kind of elder of this MUE, but the way these guys got better was by sparring, with an older player with stats that were better. So to all those guys out there who don't like sparring, think of it as the 'circle of life', in the cheesiest terms, and I know we all love it. (Spam goes great with cheese and a potatoe bun). So to conclude my endless self-important rant, I'd like to say: somebody spar with me, damnit! And I don't mean somebody with weaker stats, though I would spar with them if they would ask, but still: Somebody page me if you'll spar, otherwise I'll continue to bitch about it. The proven annoyance, Ulfy. -------------------------- Message 4720 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 6 15:36:17 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Ulfwerner. No one here has a right to demand interation from other people. If folks don't want to spar with you, then you'll just have to accept it. Perhaps if you were a little less rough and quick to offend in *Chat, people would be more willing to help you. I also don't suggest asking for sparring partners via OOC means, paging and posting to *lists. It is meant to be an IC activity. P'nine -------------------------- Message 4721 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 6 15:49:24 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Well Ulfwerner's an asshole, and I respect that, being an asshole myself. But he gets annoying as hell, to boot. Yep -------------------------- Message 4722 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 6 15:58:39 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Reply to the last two... Number one, sparring sure as hell wasn't potrayed to me as an IC thing: People ask me OOCly if I want to spar all the time. Since I wasn't made aware of this fact, (that it's more IC) what the hell do you expect me to do? And Rathe-- Shut up. You're dead. ;) -------------------------- Message 4723 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 6 17:23:22 1998 EDT From: Skywalker (#6644) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: On sparring (re: 4719) Ok, first off I just want to say that I didn't get to where I am statwise (and yes I know, my stats aren't exactly spectacular) by sparring only with people who were better than me. I boosted my unarmed, blunt, and bladed up to about 200, 300, and 400 respectively by a) playing with the wendigoes when they used to wander around Austin, and b) swinging at mini-rex tails with a dagger. Yep, those were great ways to boost without needing a second person though I imagine those choices are no longer available for various reasons. I boosted past those marks by sparring with someone with markedly lower stats than mine and then later, with someone who was almost an equal statwise. My point? You don't need to find someone who's twice as good as you in order to boost. Actually, I'm one of the worst people to ask to spar with because unless your stats are close to mine, you'll likely have a hard time boosting. Granted, I haven't even tried boosting in months and rarely RP here anymore so I don't bother to keep up with changes to the combat system and have little sympathy for people who constantly complain about boosting. My other point? This whole 'circle of life' deal doesn't apply to me unless some day, a mini-rex walks up to me and asks to spar. And just on a side note, if you page me out of the blue and ask me to spar then yeah, I'm probably bullshitting you. You all know I rarely bother going IC so I'm not likely to want to spar with anyone. I'll make exceptions though once in a while. Am I being biased and playing favourites? You betcha. If I consider you a good friend and you ask me to spar, you'll most likely get it. If I'm just feeling strangely nice and you don't annoy me too much, I might spar once or twice with you. If you annoy the hell out of me, are rude, and I still decide to spar with you, you'll end up with me being not so friendly and I may even knock you out and leave you to your fate. If I just don't feel like sparring, then I'm 'busy' (although sometimes I actually am occupied with someone and legitimately busy but you end up thinking I don't like you and well, it sucks to be you.) This has been an announcement for the dozen or so people who always seem to be paging me to spar, though I'm glad to say that the requests have almost totally died off. Who knows, maybe I'll start sparring with newbies again... or maybe I'll just be dumping your limp body into the icy waters of the North Atlantic. --Sky -------------------------- Message 4724 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 6 19:07:05 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Rathe's storytime hour. A fable. Three wise men travelled to the lost island of Mu, and found there the ancient goddess of processed seaweed products. She greeted each of them, and declared that she would make each immortal if they could decypher a secret phrase. All, of course, agreed. Spoke the sea goddess of seaweed products: "Ibaibaibaibaibaibaiba" The first wise man studied many tomes in ancient greek, hindu, and arabic, but was unable to find an answer. He returned to his homeland, distraught. The second wise man contemplated this question for many hours, and then announced, "It was a statement about the frail nature of humanity's soul" He, too, was sent away. Finally, the third wise man came forth. He stared blankly at the goddess, and announced, "I have no idea what the FUCK you're talking about, lady. You need some haldol or somethin'?" He still reigns in heaven to this very day. -------------------------- Message 4725 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 6 20:52:18 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Sparring While, I wouldn't spar with Ulfinwawa ( whatever) ( or any of his kind ) simply because they demand it, some of us, really do get tired of watching X slashes at you X slashes at you X Slashes at you etc. Over and over. I tend to get headaches by that . *shrug* go fig. I do spar, but well, look at my chars, they're weak and wimpy. Ah well . don't take it as a personal affront unless its meant to be one. me. -------------------------- Message 4726 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 7 02:02:52 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Hmmm... Damn, I was pretty sure the sparring subject had died off. And Kael, my name really isn't that hard to spell. And you can make an alt; you can afford to see X slashes at you while you're RPing in the other window. However, I personally don't give a shit anymore, so that's my half a cent if even, so I don't want to see another post about it. -------------------------- Message 4727 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 7 07:17:40 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Late night drugs You people seriously gotta cut down on them things.. -------------------------- Message 4728 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 7 10:22:36 1998 EDT From: Phantom_Rose (#6337) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Back Decided to bring out the old fart again. He's more in my mood of late anyhow.. Be gentle with the old goat and his duck.. Remember your manners and respect your elders. Now what did I do with my duck? Frap -------------------------- Message 4729 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 7 11:18:01 1998 EDT From: Heretic (#6143) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: found while browseing .... Title - Yesterday Original - Yesterday Group - The Beatles Author - John L. Berger Intro - "Yesterday" by John L. Berger, Mechanicsburg, PA appeared in the May '96 edition of Enterprise Systems Journal (With apologies to John Lennon and Paul McCartney) Song - Yesterday Yesterday All my troubles seemed so far away. Microsoft brought new ones here to stay. Oh, how I wish for yesterday. Suddenly, Nothing works at all efficiently. GPFs are running rampantly. Oh, Microsoft, just please leave me! Why we had to go To Windows 95 I couldn't say. Windows just works wrong. How I long for yesterday. Suddenly, OS/2 was praised triumphantly But was marketed pathetically. Now 95 is haunting me. Why 95 is alive I just can't say. Bill just stole the Mac And went back To Yesterday. Ah yesterday -- So where do I want to go today? To a place where Gates is far away. Oh, how I wish for yesterday. -------------------------- Message 4730 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 7 12:05:48 1998 EDT From: Phantom_Rose (#6337) To: *Chat (#5391) Oh, before ya get started with that page, I don't spar.. I'm 190 years old and at this age I just drink and watch the pretty ladies.. So don't bother asking me if I wanna spar cause I'll turn ya into a nice little tadpole and let my duck eat ya. -------------------------- Message 4731 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 8 08:40:12 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A Birthday Today is Moonheart aka Heretic aka John's Birthday!! WOO WOO!! Everyone wish him a happy one.. Love ya big guy!! Red aka Rose aka Robert -------------------------- Message 4732 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 8 21:22:08 1998 EDT From: Darius_Lee (#10280) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Heh ENough about sparring and Moonheart, let's talk about me!!!! *dances around gleefully* -------------------------- Message 4733 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 00:59:21 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Darius_Lee You have never met more of a charming and lovely girl in your life until you've met up with Darius Lee.. She is as pretty as they come and comes in a compact carrying case.. You never seen someonne so adorable until you spend a week with her.. She's the best I tell ya!! The best.. Ok.. There I did it.. *smooches* Uncle Red. -------------------------- Message 4734 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 01:02:37 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: More about Darius Lee She's so poor, all she has to play with is pillows.. I got pictures to prove it!! She loves her pillow.. Not the same way Lykaj loves his but in a more lovable way. -------------------------- Message 4735 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 01:06:08 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: more and more about Darius Lee She is really a nervous passager in a car though.. I couldn't understand why she was always cringing in the floorboards when I was driving about the east coast.. There was so much to see.. -------------------------- Message 4736 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 01:10:28 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: More about Darius Lee By the way, She is not allowed to date anymore of her Moo friends.. I won't have it. If you want to even spend time in the same room with her you will have to clear it with me.. Uncle says -------------------------- Message 4737 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 01:11:48 1998 EDT From: Coffee (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Damnit, now I'll never be able to get into Dari's pants. Rathe -------------------------- Message 4738 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 01:12:45 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Darius Lee I ain't trying to pawn her off on anyone.. I'm merely stating the facts here.. Of coursre if your male you prolly have ideas.. Just forget it.. Unless you got money.. Lots.. -------------------------- Message 4739 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 01:14:10 1998 EDT From: Coffee (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) I have eleven bucks. -------------------------- Message 4740 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 01:14:16 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Dari's pants Dear Rathe, You can get into them, long as she's not in the same room with you and the pants. Have fun.. That thought will cost you a dollar! -------------------------- Message 4741 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 01:15:37 1998 EDT From: Coffee (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Damnit, down to $10. -------------------------- Message 4742 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 01:16:09 1998 EDT From: Kzin (#5800) To: *Chat (#5391) I've got 75 dollars, and a bunch of foreign coinage! -------------------------- Message 4743 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 01:17:11 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Gentlemen, get a good good job.. You are going to need it! Uncle -------------------------- Message 4744 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 01:18:58 1998 EDT From: Coffee (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Hmm, speaking of which.. I interviewed for a job today, actually. $7.50/hr. Wish me luck guys, I hope I get it :) -------------------------- Message 4745 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 01:20:03 1998 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Red? Dari is tiny... can I rent her to model my doll clothes? *wink* Love ya Dari, just teasing. Oh, yeah -- do you take Mastercard, Red? -------------------------- Message 4746 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 07:46:15 1998 EDT From: Lykaj (#6068) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Pillows Dari loves her pillows just like I do. Much sexier when she does it though. -------------------------- Message 4747 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 08:04:06 1998 EDT From: Smoke (#12541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Theme Not to take away from anyone's creativity, but I thought the moo was supposed to take a turn towards a gun slinger (sp), mad max sort of thing. Dont get me wrong, I enjoyed the storyline, but a story like that might confuse newer players into thinking we have vamps here. But then another question arises, is the theme going to change? And if it does what will happened to char's already created that do not fit in with the theme? Will there be a restriction on what kind of char's we can play? And yet another question, pondering...will there be GM's to help out classes? It seems Stalinger and DB are the only acting GM's within a class. I know some other GM's help out if pestered, but it would be nice to have a direction, someone you can send your ideas to for plot outlines, objects and coding need to create the plot. On most role-playing mushes ( and yes I know this is a moo) when you bring up the +staff it shows the GM's name and their specific class/duites. There is no confusion on who is head of what. -------------------------- Message 4748 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 08:12:57 1998 EDT From: BitchGrrl (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Last one. First, yes, we are encouraging more Mad Max kind of a theme, but that doesn't negate the fact that there are Mages and DragonRiders and other kinds of fanciful classes out there. We have to work with what we have. Second, most GMs are 'floaters', which means they're not a part of a specific class and can help with most of them. I agree it would help to have a few of the GMs attuned to a certain class. I know I currently am in charge of the BeastMasters, a sub class of the Crystal Hunters, and I keep an eye on the Druids until someone else with more time can do so. Quinn himself is keeping up on the Recombs right now. If this changes, you all will be the first to know. Akeashar is in charge of the SoulMechs (hint hint, SoulMechs are nifty, really, no I'm not plugging a class, really). I hope this helps some, feel free to pester someone on the staff at your earliest convienience. -------------------------- Message 4749 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 14:06:17 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: 251 on *db-issues Boy I read that one wrong.. Thought Quinn had created a upper wearable container.. v-size 33.. was gonna suggest with some of the breasts I've seen that he up that size a bit more :) -------------------------- Message 4750 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 14:08:08 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Theme I do agree with Smoke.. Mad Max and gunslingers!! Oh, I need my nifty turbo charged car!! Red aka Mel -------------------------- Message 4751 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 14:38:48 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Just so everyone knows. Sinner is not a cambian. We don't allow demons here. He's a sick and twisted individual who *thinks* he's a demon and has utilizied his magical powers to simulate it. All references to him being a demon are in his mind. -------------------------- Message 4752 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 14:39:19 1998 EDT From: Sinner (#12411) To: *Chat (#5391) Amen. >:D -------------------------- Message 4753 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 14:40:06 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: However... All references to Jess being cute are true. Never question any such statement. Never. -------------------------- Message 4754 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 14:42:03 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) But Rathe was an elf. And a demon. And Merlin incarnate. And he summoned legions of the damned, was considered king in the underworld, drank battery acid, and made use of balefire. On top of this, he is the offspring of Raistlin and Razorhawk, after the former leaped into this dimension. And he had a vampiric sword. Well, the last one was true, at least. -------------------------- Message 4755 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 14:42:51 1998 EDT From: Rathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Oh, and he could turn into a dragon. -------------------------- Message 4756 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 14:43:57 1998 EDT From: Sinner (#12411) To: *Chat (#5391) Sinner really isn't a cambion. He's a fairy. The Kingly queen of the daisies. He likes to go around sucking the green shit out of their stems. Not only that, but he's innocent. He loves everybody, espically dragon riders, and dragons. -------------------------- Message 4757 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 14:44:21 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) At the very least, he had cute pointy ears and a wicked-cool way of being wicked. ;P But I digress. -------------------------- Message 4758 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 15:57:39 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Rathe Yep yep, I can vouch for him.. And everyone knows about my reputation for being completely honest!! Yep yep.. I seen him do it.. Sinner too! Ah.. Do what?? everything I tell ya.. He's a short little pointy eared elf with delusions of grandur.. His papa was a dragon rider and his momma was a rous.. Ick.. Told Yshar to lay off that moosex.. Just kidding.. Rathe is the coolest.. I idolize him completely... Honestly.. Red Fang -------------------------- Message 4759 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 16:00:47 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Bishamon Bishamon is pretty darn cool if ya go for that sorta thing.. He's seen many times peeking into the ladies windows at sundown but he is honestly looking out only for their best interests.. Least that is what he calls them.. Told him once they are called Breasts but he disagreed.. Yep, saw him do it and I'm always honest ya know.. -------------------------- Message 4760 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 16:08:25 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Canadian's I just found out from a realible source that the Canadians are holding one of our own hostage!!! They are demanding our bacon production secrets and Expect us to import more of their beer so they can up their economy..!!! -------------------------- Message 4761 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 16:10:22 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: 54 on *qooc Damn! I always miss them things!!! -------------------------- Message 4762 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 16:13:42 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) You think they are trying to tell me something?? Sinner pages, "That's it. I'm sorry, Mister Fang, but we're going to have to explain the concept of early retirment to you.. In great detail." Sterno offers you these words of wisdom... He pages, "It's time for a new tag, Red. You've had that one for eons" (remotely) Sterno grins (remotely) Sinner pulls out a chart. "You see, if you retire NOW, you get a 12% benefit check in the mail per two months. Not only that, but you get a great condo in Saigon." -------------------------- Message 4763 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 16:14:01 1998 EDT From: Witness (#18794) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Soulmech apps Am looking for more soulmech applications -- don't worry, those I haven't got back too, you'll hook up with some. I need evil mechs this time 'round, preferably those who don't mind getting their mechs a little beat up from time to time. Ake -------------------------- Message 4764 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 19:33:33 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: 56 Alright, for those who it is not obvious to...it said 'yo momma'...then some shit about a snake behind him/her (heh heh heh)..then love being sharper then a two edged sword, or whatever. C'mon, don't ya get it? Sharp 'love'? Behind you? (Yo momma). Ah, nevermind. -------------------------- Message 4765 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Wed Sep 9 19:40:07 1998 EDT From: Ulfwerner (#24588) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Last Err, that was supposed to be to qooc, though I highly doubt that people on *qooc haven't subscribed to *chat as well. ;) -------------------------- Message 4766 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:43:36 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Little Monkeys Ok, everyone BUT! Durandal are little Monkeys! Durandal you silly big monkey you! -------------------------- Message 4767 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:44:33 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Little Monkeys *mutters* Damn straight. -------------------------- Message 4768 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:44:41 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Silly little monkeys? Wheehaw. Did I miss something here? ;) -------------------------- Message 4769 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:44:44 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: previous Very big monkey.. Lets say he can look King Kong in the eye. -------------------------- Message 4770 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:45:22 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Yeah! Um... wait, we're not talking about the same thing, are we. -------------------------- Message 4771 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:48:18 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) With my newly restored confidence (thanks for the acknowledgement, Rob) I need to ask for advice... I have a test for an Honors class tomorrow (first day of school) on four books I was supposed to have read only the summer... but I _think_ I read only three of them. So what do I do: cheat, ditch class, or do my best? (the last one was a joke, just so you know) -------------------------- Message 4772 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:49:38 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Cheat is a must. Ditching class has worse consequences. Either way, you'll get killed, but, o/~ life goes on o/~. -------------------------- Message 4773 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:50:00 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Hmm, would just be guessing but Honors class means just that.. Honor?? Now.. What would ya think you should do young man? Good Luck. -------------------------- Message 4774 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:50:11 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Yeah, who cares if I end up living in a van down by the river? At least I'm a big monkey. -------------------------- Message 4775 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:51:17 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Quick, has anyone read 'Bless Me, Ultima' or 'Hiroshima'? I think I can fudge the last one, but still... -------------------------- Message 4776 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:52:02 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Wow, that is cool. I think living in a van down by the river would be so cool!! Just cruse about and pick up chicks and then wam-o! your home already! Now just don't be climbing any tall skyscrapers with your dates there big monkey. -------------------------- Message 4777 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:52:16 1998 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Honestly? BS your way through it. I honestly think most of school is more about teaching you about how to scrape by on the seat of your pants rather than actual reading -- but then again, this is coming from me, remember. Hrm. I took AP English, and had honors classes through college... it was usually just a matter of making the teacher believe you read the book. Used to write papers by randomly opening a book to 10 pages, picking three quotes that would make a thesis statement, and writing my little heart out. Always worked. Oh. I also scored highest on the AP exam in our school's history... doing the exact same thing. -------------------------- Message 4778 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:52:25 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Go on the Internet and search for the book title. If you get lucky and there's sites with reviews of those books, print 'em. ;) -------------------------- Message 4779 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:55:35 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) My school was so small, we didn't have enough kids for a honors class.. Of course I lived back in the old days when ya had to walk to school 10 miles uphill each way! Was hard as hell, but we liked it! By god we Loved it! The honor system was taught to me by my friend in the navy! It was Get on her and stay on her!! But we liked it, By god we loved it! Rob -------------------------- Message 4780 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:55:54 1998 EDT From: Durandal (#23874) To: *Chat (#5391) Karma... you kick ass, because you're absolutely right. But it sounds much more credible if I know a few character names... Mikaera, good idea, but unfortunately, the bell has tolled, and I have to depart.... damn. I have it first period, so I'll have to try to get to school early and ask some classmates about the books... anyway. Dasvidanya for now, komrades. --Newly-Christened Big Monkey Whose new address will be a van down by the river And yes, Rob, I'll be sure to pick up plenty of chicks.. when the van's a-rockin', don't come a knockin' baby yeah! -------------------------- Message 4781 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:57:43 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Rob: did you walk those miles through snow and with elephants on your backs? ;) -------------------------- Message 4782 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 01:59:17 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) I certernly did, and I liked it, By god we loved it.. Didn't wear shoes either.. And the drive way was littered with dad's broken empties, but we liked it, by god we loved it! -------------------------- Message 4783 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 03:19:51 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: I know i should know this But does anyone know why it is I can sleep til two pm then at 12 am i'm tired? My its a bitch. And as essays went I followed two edicts: Bullshilt, Bullshit, Bullshit and clever talking. Clever talking is when you postpone the test by diversion. College teachers are so great at falling for this its not even funny. Heh. Reading during class is also a plus. I'd say, other classes but you're fucked there. Read the first, middle and last pages too. Yeah. And I am not a monkey. -------------------------- Message 4784 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 16:32:00 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Soulmech Applicants! please send your mail to *soulmech-applications (alias SA) for better processing. Ake -------------------------- Message 4785 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 16:32:02 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A PR job.. Ok, I ain't getting paid to say this.. So listen up!! Our own favorite girl from eastern Canada has to be one of the prettiest things in the world.. She's smart too.. She can out think any feller in any country.. She's a good artist too!! Plus she is ultra cool having been raised in Jamacia!! Yep she's a jammin ya know.. Of course she don't got much sense in men, come on.. Marry me already would ya!! Love ya girl.. Rob -------------------------- Message 4786 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 18:27:43 1998 EDT From: Yjimael (#23078) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Dead Dragon Can whoever killed Vyn let me know? (since he would) Thanks! -------------------------- Message 4787 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 18:46:42 1998 EDT From: Skywalker (#6644) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Cheating Actually, another option open to Durandal is to get a deferral (which I assume they have in American colleges and universities). As long as you can convince campus medical services that you're stressed out or you have an obvious medical condition (broken limbs), you can talk to your prof and write a deferred exam at a later date...of course, they're likely to be tougher than the normal exam. Some exams are also deferred to the final, so whatever mark you get on that will also count as your mark in that exam. And for the record, plagiarism and other forms of cheating are some of the worst offences you can commit (at least at the University of Alberta and other Canadian post-secondary institutions). Depending on the severity, you could wind up with a big hefty fine, a suspension from the school, or an expulsion from ALL Canadian universities. But hey, it's your money. Of course, I don't know how Americans do their stuff. It's all bassackwards to me. -------------------------- Message 4788 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Thu Sep 10 21:09:18 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Not that you care, but... I just had to exult to everyone that my fiance's dad has reported that he FINALLY got my computer to work! We took it o him so he could install Win 95 on it (since it was a Pentium with Win 3.1 ;P) and it started to eat itself... he had to go through all kind of trouble to fix it, but it fixed now! So by next week, I'll be able to log in on my own machine - no more bumming off everyone else! Woohoo! - Happy Jess -------------------------- Message 4789 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 11 00:17:14 1998 EDT From: Yrathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Necromantic Enterprises, Ltd., is now taking applications for interns.. Learn the way of evil*! Apply today! * - thoserespondingtothisadagreetoatnopointfilesuitagainstthecorporationoritsceoatanytime. -------------------------- Message 4790 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 11 15:02:17 1998 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Storylines post Just in case it needs to be said again, we had a brief experiment with allowing ONE vampire. That quickly got shitcanned. So we have NO vampires. -------------------------- Message 4791 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 11 17:34:11 1998 EDT From: Mercury (#16576) To: *Chat (#5391) Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, it just depends on what you do with it. Oh that B.J. Clinton. -------------------------- Message 4792 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 11 17:59:45 1998 EDT From: Akeashar (#20348) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: To whomever put their tents in the Main public Transport Bay I think it'd be wise to move your tents, now. Thanks. Ake. -------------------------- Message 4793 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 11 18:36:56 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: 66 on *Quoted-Out-Of-Context Ya goofer, NEVER NEVER DO THAT AGAIN!!! I MISSED YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Forget to feed Evan next time damit! Red -------------------------- Message 4794 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 11 19:56:23 1998 EDT From: Yrathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Sinner is not a vampire. I'm not an elf. I thought GMs figured this out about a year ago. -------------------------- Message 4795 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 11 20:15:30 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Sides There is a form of sickness out ther ethat urges people to drink blood So... Nothing I posted was not adhereing to theme. Sinner's just sick . Bite me. -------------------------- Message 4796 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 11 20:16:22 1998 EDT From: Sinner (#12411) To: *Chat (#5391) 10-4, that fact was established already, over and out. Niner niner. -------------------------- Message 4797 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 11 20:17:26 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: What ? Biting me ? *pokes Sinner* Feh. See if I ever defend you again ... *pouts* -------------------------- Message 4798 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Fri Sep 11 20:18:03 1998 EDT From: Sinner (#12411) To: *Chat (#5391) Noooooooo. Sinner is a sicccck puppy. He dresses in pink when no one's looking. -------------------------- Message 4799 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sat Sep 12 14:01:54 1998 EDT From: Styx (#1610) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Vampire Post The posted Story about the bite being sensual, sexy, pleasurable whatever. That is all about Vampires. I never accused anyone of being a vampire. Hell, didn't even know it was Sinner who did it. -------------------------- Message 4800 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 13 17:54:15 1998 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *pet peeve People who think it's cool to put as many 'dirty words' in a tag as possible. If you're over 12, no one's gonna be impressed. -------------------------- Message 4801 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 13 17:57:58 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Darkpaw 6h 15m IC PC You stupid dumbshit goddamn mother fucker! Darkpaw's twelve, so let's all get impressed. :>~ :cackle: -------------------------- Message 4802 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 13 18:01:24 1998 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *amen Thanks to Mikaera for saying it for me. Having been 12 half my life ago, try to challenge my wit, not my gag reflex, 'paw. -------------------------- Message 4803 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 13 18:06:25 1998 EDT From: DemonWolf (#13247) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re *chat I wonder if anyone is forcing these ppl to read the tags sheesh, a tag is only that, nutting else.... -grins- and yes, I like replacing words with others, deal with it... well, that was a let down. posting to *chat, heh thought it might relieve the boredom.. but nope.. ahh well, back to idlin. my Multibillion (insert currency of your choice) worth. ;p -------------------------- Message 4804 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 13 18:07:16 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) :cackle: I'm just giving old DP a hard time. ;> -------------------------- Message 4805 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 13 18:08:27 1998 EDT From: Darkpaw (#24594) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: My apologies I'm sorry, Karma. I'll try to bow to your every whim from now on. -------------------------- Message 4806 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 13 18:19:32 1998 EDT From: Darkpaw (#24594) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *grins, ducks, and runs* Subject says it all. -------------------------- Message 4807 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 13 18:49:13 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: In DP's defense That wasn't his originality Karma, Go bitch at The Offspring. Song's called 'Bad Habit' And I rather like it when I'm in a pissy mood. Line goes: ... such attitude, when I show em my piece, complaints cease/ Something's odd, feel like I'm God, you stupid goddamn, dumbshit motherfucker.' Yep. Just clarifying. -------------------------- Message 4808 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 13 18:50:11 1998 EDT From: Yrathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) The offspring kick ass. Anyone who proceeds to insult them on this list will get my boot up their rectum. thanks! -------------------------- Message 4809 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 13 19:14:58 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Kickass. Should get their CD. -------------------------- Message 4810 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Sun Sep 13 19:16:17 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Yep. Thats an old one tho... -------------------------- Message 4811 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 06:29:55 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Bad language There is a saying, Cursing is the way a feeble mind trys to express itself. I am not the best speller in the world but least I don't try to stick with simple four letter words to express myself.. I do try to use the language at hand as best I can. You have many rights in this world, but while exercising those rights you offend others you may end up very alone. So think about it. It isn't cute, it isn't cool. This has been Uncle lecture #28 Rob -------------------------- Message 4812 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 06:58:30 1998 EDT From: Phantom_Rose (#6337) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Bad Language Mr. Fang, You are absolutely right, also you need to work on that grammer thing. Hang in there buddy. Frap -------------------------- Message 4813 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 09:16:22 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: A bit of a flame I suppose. I go away for a few days and there is only one mention regarding the president posted to chat...I hope you all read the Starr report. As a woman, republican and a believer of freedom and what our country stands for, it just sickens me to think that a man of such low standards is allowed to disgrace MY country and the office of the presidency. If we are lucky someone will blow his fat face away and end the bullshit. -------------------------- Message 4814 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 09:18:36 1998 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The Pres and his random spurting. The reason there has only been one post is cause, well, no one really cares...I mean, I could care less if he spurted his mangoo all over EVERYONE...don't matter ta me...So long as he doesn't get me..:) So, lets drop the president and let him get on with his affairs....He will get whats coming to him... -------------------------- Message 4815 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 09:31:36 1998 EDT From: Lykaj (#6068) To: *Chat (#5391) I thought random spurting was a medical condition? Maybe that is Bill's next line of defence. -------------------------- Message 4816 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 09:35:53 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: Rand's last. Perhaps you should reread the report Mister Rand. You see, it is not about sex, its about lies, obstruction of justice, conspiracy and the abuse of Presidential power. But then, being oblivious to the actions of the commander and chief of our country might be the best for some. After all, if you stand up for what you believe in...you just might lose your right to sit on your ass in front of the TV night and day. Dont want to piss off the government, they might take away that welfare check and the government cheese. -------------------------- Message 4817 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 09:41:29 1998 EDT From: Mulder (#709) To: *Chat (#5391) Heh heh, heh heh... he said 'mangoo'. -------------------------- Message 4818 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 09:41:34 1998 EDT From: Lykaj (#6068) To: *Chat (#5391) Is that Goverment cheese a sharp cheese or just regular processed american cheese? -------------------------- Message 4819 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 10:16:00 1998 EDT From: Rand (#9865) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *sigh* This is EXACTALLY the reason we arent' talking about the president, Clay...we don't want to hear it! He will be impeached soon enough (I hope), and I dun really give a shit if its about his abuse of a didlo or his power (About the same thing really)...so, lets all be happy people and not waste our time talking about something IRL when we are on a MOO to get _AWAY_ from IRL, k? -------------------------- Message 4820 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 10:44:40 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Starr report. I hear enough about this idiotic crap for the past goddamn year, drop it before I get insensitive and violent. *Ed whose dad watches far too much CNN and is tired of it all* -------------------------- Message 4821 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 11:12:39 1998 EDT From: Kzin (#5800) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: HAH! I already AM insensitive and violent, by this time. Responses to *chat A) Mikaera, Darkpaw, etc,.....STOP. B)Clayson: Sorry to say it, but fuck the Republicans who think they're right, fuck the Democrats who think they're right, and fuck the next person who talks about this SHIT to me because they WILL get beaten to hell. C) *qooc sucks, and no, I didn't get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning And finally, last but not least.. D) Final warning-The next person who acts self-righteous, egotistical, rockheaded, annoying, blind, braindead, dumb, self-centered, or who dares preach or tell me what I should do or who I should be... Will eat a loving 11 inches of steel through the solar plexus or back of the mouth. So shut up, kindly! *happyFunKzinti!* -------------------------- Message 4822 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 12:15:54 1998 EDT From: Dragonbabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Pres Clinton About impeaching the Pres. Please no! Our Vice-Pres is under investigation. If Clinton were impeached right now, the Speaker of the House would become our Pres. Think about it. Newt G.? Do we REALLY want him in the White House? Bubba is basically harmless, Can we really say that about Newt? -------------------------- Message 4823 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 12:29:52 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Er... I will say this one more time, gads, didn't think I'd have to repeat it on GW. President Clinton is an ass and a jerk. Sure, so let Hillary divorce him and throw him on his ass. This is about personal morality and if he's impeached for this entire parody about having 'sexual affairs' with Monica Lewinsky, it will be a sad day for America. Think about it, if he hadn't been forced/manipulated into this position, would he have felt the need to lie about it? Probably not. The question of his relations with Monica should never have been brough under question. It was consensual between two adults and should have remained between Clinton, his wife and daughter and Monica. The American public didn't have any business knowing it and personally I wish we'd never been dragged into it. The rest of the world is already scratching their heads and putting it up to America's weird obession with sex. -------------------------- Message 4824 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 12:36:41 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: last My problem with it is that our country's leader is supposed to be moral, maybe even a role model, if you will. (yeah, right, politicians being role models...) What kind of message does this send kids? "Hey, Mom, I want to dodge the draft, do drugs, and sleep with other women when I'm married. Don't say I'll never amount to anything... I could be Prez!" -------------------------- Message 4826 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 12:38:23 1998 EDT From: Yrathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Sounds good to me. -------------------------- Message 4827 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 12:40:00 1998 EDT From: Dante (#10660) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Way I look at it... Even in ancient history, David a king of great deeds. Well he slept with a woman and had her husband killed, point is its a certain type of person to lead, and much as I hate to mention it other then relationship problems, he is doing a good job. -------------------------- Message 4828 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 12:40:56 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: last Or do you mean 'He's not doing a bad job." -------------------------- Message 4829 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 12:41:30 1998 EDT From: Dragonbabe (#5288) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re: Pres *grins* Got your wish, Clayton. Remember what they say.. 'Becareful what you wish for!' -------------------------- Message 4830 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 12:44:47 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Morality. Morality is something that has to be personally defined by each person. What one person considers moral, someone else might not give a flip about. I personally don't give a flying fig what the president does in his private life. In fact, unless he's hurting someone (and having an affair is not abusive, she wasn't raped, it wasn't sexual harassment, it was mutually agreed to) I don't want to know! Tell Hillary and Chelsea but leave me out of it! -------------------------- Message 4831 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 12:53:18 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: More But don't you remember Clinton's campaign ads and such, showing his happy, all-American, family? I didn't see Monica in those pictures. Hrm... it seems this post lacks a point. Oh, hey, did you hear that they might try to bust him since the cigar Monica *cough* used was Cuban, and therefore contraband? Hehe. -------------------------- Message 4832 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 14:21:56 1998 EDT From: Bishamon (#23011) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Re:4823 Ahem.. As an acting part of the rest of the world, I can vouch for the fact that we are not 'scratching our heads', but rather 'laughing our asses off'. Thank you. -------------------------- Message 4833 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 14:37:19 1998 EDT From: Ylaerin (#16541) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Canuck's last.. Some of us are here, too. If anyone watched the absolutely surreal press conference between Clinton's personal lawyer/White House Counsel and the national media which aired on CNN shortly after the contents of the Starr report became public knowledge, they might have been roaring with laughter right alongside Nick & I. As far as this whole 'scandal' goes, the only thing I'm sick of is everybody being so bloody self-righteous about it all. It should never have gone as far as it has, but it has.. and if there was perjury or obstruction of justice, then that needs to be addressed legally. But a lot of pundits on this topic would do well to read the Aug. 31 edition of Newsweek, and take a close look at all the souls and careers this man has crushed and trampled on his way up (and down..) and think about that for a long hard minute. As for morality, I agree with Eppy; and as for bi-paritsan politics, well, even many of the Republicans who most vocally demamded Clinton's impeachment are coming forward and making public statements about THEIR extra-marital affairs. The whole thing is sordid, surreal, tragic, and (strangely enough) entertaining as hell if you're watching the lawyers. But, that's just my worthless, non-party, mostly liberal, American intellectual, cynical, disillusioned view on what I see as a heart-wrenching, sickly fascinating American tragedy. And I'll bet you never ask me for my opinion again. ;) -Jess -------------------------- Message 4834 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 14:54:25 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: The Media and this bullshit three ring circus. I don't watch TV anymore and this entire Clinton/Lewinsky deal is part of the reason why. The other part is that the media has a bad habit of exploiting things for their ratings. So I will no longer contribute to said ratings. I sometimes listen to NPR (national public radio) to either All Things Considered or Morning Edition. They are usually fairly impartial in their news and don't give me commentary. (Commentary usually = You should think this way. I dun like anyone telling me how to interprete a situation, I'll think about it on my own and come up with my own conclusion thankyouverymuch.) -------------------------- Message 4835 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 14:56:52 1998 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: *scream* Ok. I have to get my two bits into this one, can't help it. See, I agree with Clayson. I think it's pretty sick that this is what is leading the country. (I mean... what if some diplomat smoked that cigar later? GAH! I'm sure the gift of choice these days for a visit to the Whitehouse will be new cigars, as in 'Oh no, sir. Please. Have one of mine.') However... at the same time, let's think about this rationally. It's the sex that about 3/4 of the people who are in a furor over this are pissed about. That is rather lame, considering that two of those who the country considers to be its best and best loved presidents are guilty of the same if not worse. I would be far more willing to listen to the things being said about the president if they didn't focus on the sexual aspect of the case. Let's face it -- this isn't a case of rape. This isn't a case of murder. This is a case of two people saying, 'Shhhhh, don't say anything, but we're gonna hump like bunnies', or something to that effect. Let's think rationally here. People cheat all the time on their partners. It's not cool, but it happens every day. Some people have different morals, values, religious conditions, or impulse control when it comes to sex, as well. How do we all know that Hillary wasn't in the closet watching, with a cigar of her own? Is it our business? No. Let me rephrase -- PLEASE GODS NO. If we're going to judge sexual values, shouldn't we be a little worried, and looking at ourselves first? I only say this because, sadly, the sexual aspect of this situation is the part that's been blown out of proportion to an incredible degree. It's the sensationalism that's just plain silly. If the issue is that he lied about what it is that happenned, then let's hear the news focus on that. Let's not hear about the cigar. (Please. I have enough nightmares, y'know? There are places tobacco products just don't belong. Humidors are supposed to be _cold_ to preserve flavor... but I digress.) What really scares me? The fact that it seems that way back when, we as a country knew what happened to the president's penis really wasn't our business. Back when we were supposedly so very moral and upright. Think about where this could be heading. Granted, maybe it's just because his own was a mess, but I happened to like Clinton for one major reason: His politics had nothing to do with my bedroom. Nothing. How many politicians from the past several years can we say that about with a straight face? Yes, he's an ass. He might even be a lying scumbag -- I honestly don't know. What I do know, however, is that he wasn't going to press to have me sent to hell/court/prison/the stocks for engaging in sex in something other than the missionary position for the purposes of procreation once I've been safely married. I like that, you know? I really do. (Ok, so I'm a kinky bitch too, but you knew that.) I can't say that will remain the case if Gore is in office. Remember darlin' Tipper, his wife? This is the woman who likes to do things like... oh... start banning music because she fails to see redeeming qualities in its four-letter-word to melody ratio. Yep. That was her. No, his wife won't be in office -- but someone who thinks they have the right to tell _me_, a total stranger, what I can and cannot listen to musically based on their personal moral values is sure as hell going to have an impact on someone as close as her own husband. That scares the ever living hell out of me, to be blunt. Don't even talk to me about Newt. What I can't help but think of at the moment is the morning I spent watching Clinton's address to congress about internet censorship. He stressed personal resonsbility on the part of the viewer, and not the ISP/etc. as being primary. He pointed out, thankfully, that just because somewhere on the net there's a picture of a woman blowing a donkey, you don't have to look at it. *gasp* And if you didn't want you children to see it, you took efforts to make sure they didn't. Granted, providers and issuers of this kind of information, he said, should have some form of warning or protection from such things -- but at the same time, he stressed that banning them altogether was not the appropriate action. Now, by the same token, Willie-Boy needs to take some responsibility for his own actions. I think he's at least attempting to now, whatever else has happenned. Though I personally couldn't care less where his naughty bits have been, apparently a good percentage of the country does. Ah well. So long as the government continues to stay out of my bedroom, off my altar, out of my hard drive, and away from my personal life choices, let them be. -------------------------- Message 4836 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 14:59:44 1998 EDT From: Karma (#20542) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Oh yes. Where I see all of this heading: 1. Divorce. 2. Major moralist self-righteous uprising in America. 3. More people telling me who I can and can't screw/marry/worship. 4. More confusion that we just don't need. 5. Monica on the cover of 'Cigar Afficionado' sometime within the next year. -------------------------- Message 4837 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 15:07:31 1998 EDT From: Eponine (#3791) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Karma's predictions: 1: Good, Hillary should throw him out on his ass. I would if I were here, regardless of who he is. 2: Please Goddess no. I've had enough of the holier then thou crowd. 3: Again, please no. PLEASE! Why can't everyone just realize that so long as it's not hurting anyone or anything, why bother invading privacy? 4: Did the confusion ever end? Dun think so. 5: Heh, sitting on a remake of the desk in the oval office would be appropriate, yes. -------------------------- Message 4838 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 15:53:14 1998 EDT From: Clayson (#17237) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: re: predictions :) 1. It will never happen, Hillary enjoys the power to much. 2. There prolly will be an uprising, but I doubt if it will be the self proclaimed moralist. More like small breasted woman...after all, according to Monicas testimony, Bill feels they are just not worth groping. 3. Not unless another Democrat is put in office. 4. We need more confusion, its good for the brain. 5. Actually, I think she will be in Playboy before the year is over. -------------------------- Message 4839 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 20:31:17 1998 EDT From: Bishcanuck (#23011) To: Quinn (#2) and *Chat (#5391) Subject: Combat It seems to be almost impossible to raise a skill anymore. Going to look into it more, please, those of you who care, test the combat engine like mad and report to me your results. -------------------------- Message 4840 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 23:29:07 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Election Tell ya what.. Dragonbabe is right.. Clinton is a lameduck pres at the moment and really is harmless to anyone but himself.. Least he got a blowjob right.. Anyhow.. I say we vote for me.. I promise to womenize and do all sorts of darn right fun stuff.. I will make Mooing a national pass time and Give you all seats on my cabinet unless you are really cute and we'll talk about my seat.. *winks* I ain't married so what can they pull out of their hats?? I can rule the world er run the country with ease.. I'll install Lykaj as my Vice and let him do all the important stuff.. Like going to all them boring dinners and all.. Oh yeah.. Beers on the house!! Red for President 2000!!! -------------------------- Message 4841 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 23:30:39 1998 EDT From: Yrathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) If you elect me, I'll give all the female interns a chance to blow me and get on TV. Thank you -------------------------- Message 4842 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 23:37:38 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Can we say... desperate? In other news, I'm barely alive from my first week of school. The agony... the agony. Gwah. -------------------------- Message 4843 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 23:38:19 1998 EDT From: Sterno (#21938) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Didn't you read Heart of Darkness? It should be "The horror... the horror..." -------------------------- Message 4844 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 23:38:57 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: Eyes Tonight I saw the prettiest eyes on the world attached to the woman I love.. Met her at PetsMart while buying Mikki some food and treats.. I am in love.. Now.. Red. -------------------------- Message 4845 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 23:41:09 1998 EDT From: Yrathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) You shouldn't look at people's dogs like that, Red. -------------------------- Message 4846 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 23:42:14 1998 EDT From: Mikaera (#24590) To: *Chat (#5391) Horror, yeah. For some reason I thought 'agony' had a certain ring to it. Reminded me of torture and unthinkable maimings, you know? -------------------------- Message 4847 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 23:42:21 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) I couldn't help it, She cocked an eye at me and I cocked an eye at her and we just sat there cockeyed as could be.... -------------------------- Message 4848 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 23:42:57 1998 EDT From: Yrathe (#14172) To: *Chat (#5391) Beagle, huh? -------------------------- Message 4849 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Mon Sep 14 23:45:32 1998 EDT From: Red_Fang (#5907) To: *Chat (#5391) Great Dame :) -------------------------- Message 4850 from *Chat (#5391): Date: Tue Sep 15 21:25:57 1998 EDT From: Kael (#20294) To: *Chat (#5391) Subject: i'll make this short Since now the talk has gotten to REd and his dogs.. BUt.. i'll say this once : The media is fucking up royally on this coverage. All the sheep ( and I say sheep because they're moving along with what the media/opinion polls/hillary clinton keep saying ) are affirming that this is just about sex. Some have gone as far to say that we're infringing on his civil liberties. I want to hurl. People, I am reading the report. HAve gone through a substaintial part of it. The sex is unfortunately gratuitous but it still points to a clear cut problem: The president purjured himself. He lied under oath. And he had others do the same. Big fat fucking no no. People go to jail for this guys. Not boinking the intern. Ah, and lets not forget Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate and half a dozen other gates that the President has done. (bill in there? ) This isn't sex. This isn't a right wing conspiracy, Hillary. OUr president, our vice president and our first lady evidently fucked up. Stop being sheep. --------------------------