Message 1 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Thu Jun  1 06:28:14 1995 CDT
From:     Vader (#4221)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  I need a key

Do any of you players out there own a key to unlock the manhole to the subway
#1 in the wastelands? If so may i borrow it please!  or know of the
coordinates of somewhere else to visit in the wastelands! Many Thanks *Vader*

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Message 2 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sun Jun  4 15:06:26 1995 CDT
From:     Crag (#4051)
To:       *Chat (#5391)

I think Quinn is a bega stud.

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Message 3 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Jun  5 13:14:32 1995 CDT
From:     Divad (#2187)
To:       *Chat (#5391)

I think Quinn is a mega stud.


				The End

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Message 4 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Jun  5 13:20:00 1995 CDT
From:     Deckard (#3748)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Quinn

Quinn is no stud.

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Message 5 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Jun  7 10:58:25 1995 CDT
From:     Divad (#2187)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Quinn

Quinn is too a stud.
			He's fathering my child.
So there.

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Message 6 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Jun 19 22:15:22 1995 CDT
From:     Lamia (#3623)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Quinn

Er, actually he's a snuggle-boy (I invite you to finger him). He just wants
y'all to THINK he's a stud ;)

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Message 7 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sat Jul  8 05:48:55 1995 CDT
From:     Yjezra (#5288)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Snuggle-boy

Well, I am disappointed...just 2d4 damage for a snuggle?  Should be much
higher!  Ah, well, the kids these days...Yj

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Message 8 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sat Jul 29 20:02:13 1995 CDT
From:     Fisuer (#2800)
To:       *Character-Issues (#5282), *theme-issues (#86), and *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  moan..

Okay, someone tell me, what the *HELL* happened to the common room????
It was such a convience not wasting my 15 objects of quota on a room/tent.
Also, anyone know why the forge at Morlith was removed as well?

	---- Fizzy. (all fizzled up!)

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Message 9 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Aug  1 05:20:39 1995 CDT
From:     Dylan (#1142)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Off to get married. . .

I know many of you don't know me, but I wanted to say so long to those who do
and have not had
the time because of my recent work schedule.  See you all in two weeks, when I
will be
harpily marred.  <grin> <wave>
Thank you for your Achtung! Baby!

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Message 10 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sat Aug  5 22:09:11 1995 CDT
From:     Lamia (#3623)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Dylan -- Congrats!

Been awhile since we even said hello -- but miss you:) See you wafter the
honeymoon, have a great wedding! Heh, maybe Mrs. Dylan'll get a character now,
too:)

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Message 11 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Fri Aug 11 12:25:24 1995 CDT
From:     Collosus (#4496)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Helping Hand...

Due to my schedule, I am around most of the time, and would like to
offer my help to anyone who could use a helping hand, OOCly because
it was difficult for me to figure out some problems earlty on, I woud
be more than willing to help others who are having problems
understanding fathoming the depth of all the ideas and locations, and
people..etc. I do not claim to know it all, because i do not, but I
am willing to try on your behalf, just let me know...thanks :)

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Message 12 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Aug 23 18:02:05 1995 CDT
From:     Deckard (#3748)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Names

What exactly is the name of this place? GhostWheel? I'm not sure about
GhostMOO. Sounds like a dead cow. Just letting my mind wander. Thanks.

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Message 13 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Fri Aug 25 18:31:08 1995 CDT
From:     Gray (#1248)
To:       *Chat (#5391)

GhostMOO. The name 'Ghostwheel' was used earlier, being the name of the server
Ghost was run on; however, after much trouble, we upgraded. The name
'Ghostwheel' is ALSO a very major and powerful character from the second
series _Chronicles of Amber_ series, by Roger Zelazny; many people were
showing up and asking about Shadows, Pattern, etc, having gotten the Wrong
Idea from the name. This, I assume, is why they shortened it.    Hope it
helps,                              --Gray

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Message 14 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Aug 28 09:39:21 1995 CDT
From:     Elendil (#2237)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:   Sparring club

Hello.  This is an @ooc note.  I'm wondering if there is anyone
out there interested in starting/participating in a sparring club @icly.  I'm
looking for characters with at least one attack of +120 or
greater to take part.  Please
contact me if you meet this requirement and are interested.

<No, this isn't some vague underhanded scheme to find out just who's
excelling at what around here; cainids + chimaeras just don't do
it anymore, if ya catch my drift>

---Elendil

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Message 15 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Sep  5 18:33:20 1995 CDT
From:     Yjezra (#5288)
To:       *Chat (#5391) and *Gamemasters (#2560)
Subject:  SOULBONDINGS

Weds, Sept 6th at 9PM CST, Mount Morlith Aeyrie will have an Open House for
the Soulbonding ceremony.  All are Welcome!  There will be a party after with
food, dancing and fun! Transportation will be provided from the R/T helipad.
Please let Yjezra, or any Dragonrider that you will require transportation.
Looking forward to having you join us.
Blessings and Clear Skies!        --Yjezra, DragonMistress, rider of Lyrzrath

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Message 16 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sun Oct  1 14:23:38 1995 CDT
From:     Collosus (#4496)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Tops on the moo...

I have been compiling some stats for (unarmed, armed, medic, bladed,
and blunt) for a new newsgroup for the best on the moo. People who I
have already taken notice of are (Delvish, Chaos, Restin< Moonheart,
Red_fang, Yjezra, Deckard, Yroshi, and Collosus) If you believe you
are in the (top 10) players in any of the 5 skills, please send me a
page with the exact skill you believe to be pertinant. I will review
it and see if you qualify, thank you. Your participation is
appreciated.

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Message 17 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sat Oct 21 17:26:41 1995 CDT
From:     Collosus (#4496)
To:       *RPG (#1193) and *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  puppets

Just to clarify for those players who own pets, pets are animals they are not
to be used to gather crystals, animals eat crystals. They are not there to get
your toys when you die, they are animals first and foremost. If you use your
pet to get your crystals or items you are violating the gamne.

Any player who observes a pet/puppet picking up objects for a dead player
should report it to a wizard, the puppets are gifts not a (Get of of Death)
Free card.

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Message 18 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sun Nov  5 11:15:26 1995 CST
From:     Vassago (#9084)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Prog Bit

Hi!  I had no idea where to send to get a prog bit, so I sent here knowing
most people use this one and read it.  So I'm asking for a Prog bit here,
thanks:)
Vass

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Message 19 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Thu Nov  9 02:39:32 1995 CST
From:     Fisuer (#2800)
To:       Vassago (#9084) and *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Re: Prog Bit

A prog bit! A prog bit! My kingdom for a prog bit!

All my time here, I've only once considered using one, so I applied as a
feature. I'm still waiting. No prog bit. Looks like it's not that easy to
simply ask for one. I wish.

Hey! If Vassago gets one, I want one too! [just in case]

       -- Fizzy.

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Message 20 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Nov 21 06:33:16 1995 CST
From:     Jaymez (#9150)
To:       *ideas (#504), *Character-Issues (#5282), *Chat (#5391), and *Storylines (#5236)
Subject:  I put what here?

Are there any sentient creatures out there, weither human, recomb, or the like
who feels they like to be part of a group?

I would like to present Kazemui; New beginnings. This is a new religion I have
created, and would greatly like other beings to help me with the growth of
Kazemui, however, I am still waiting for a citadel, and the details of
this new religion are still a new stages.

Any input on this, please reply to me, I'd like some priests, female, male or
other, and anyone else who'd like to be part of this new step in GhostWheel.

Glorious dawnings, and blessings to you all, HighPriest Jaymezukrizet.

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Message 21 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Nov 22 17:46:52 1995 CST
From:     Kriamina (#9509)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Manhole

In message 1, 5 months ago, Vader mentioned this manhole.  I've found it too,
at x20,y20 in the wasteland, unless he was talking about a different one.  It
was locked, but I thought a crowbar would open it, but it doesn't.  Does
anyone know how to open this up?

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Message 22 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sat Nov 25 19:28:31 1995 CST
From:     Fisuer (#2800)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Total MOOhem!

I am searching for some commited programmers/builders who would be interested
in being part of a new RPG-MOO, Total MOOhem!

A reasonable grasp of MOOcode is required, imagination and acting abilities
will be very useful, as GM and wizbits are offered.

The theme of Total MOOhem, is simple that, total mayhem, year 4020, the human
race, and all species close to, have ventured to the outskirts of the galaxy
and have discovered a wormhole. The other side of this wormhole is a small
planet, enriched with precious minerals, as Earth and surrounding planets have
been almost totally stripped, resources have become slimer every decade.
Large organizations want territory on this planet, including the government.
A military fortress, as well as a scientist bunker have been built. A strong
force of police have also been assigned to this planet.

Warning, this RPG-MOO is not for the faint of heart, death means death. You
need to be tough to survive out in Total MOOhem!

E-mail to jfellows@silo.riv.csu.edu.au

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Message 23 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sat Dec  2 16:42:12 1995 CST
From:     Uno (#6614)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Executioner Bird

	Is it just me, or is there less E.B.'s lately...
I've found that there are alot less of them lately.

			The UnNamed One, Uno.

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Message 24 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sat Dec  2 20:26:51 1995 CST
From:     Kriamina (#9509)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Wendigos

And a lot more Wendigos?  I found 6 this morning, and I only walked through
half the ghostwheel area! Maybe they're eating the birds?

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Message 25 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Dec  4 14:08:54 1995 CST
From:     Acadia (#4032)
To:       *Chat (#5391) and *RPG (#1193)
Subject:  Just to let you know...

Just to let you know, Acadia will be gone for a bit.  Don't know when she'll
return...Any messages can be relayed through Kynwal.  Thanks.
Acky

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Message 26 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Dec  4 16:31:03 1995 CST
From:     Quinn (#2)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  tape drive needed

If someone out there has a tape drive (340-420M+) and a tape or two they
aren't using and want to lemme borrow it or buy it cheap, I'd be greatly
appreciative.  My drive was formatted with 16k blocks.  Isn't that nice?  A
10b *.ini file takes up 16 fuckin' K.

So I have to reformat to fix this, but I don't have a backup device.

Please help me.

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Message 27 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Dec  6 16:37:07 1995 CST
From:     Zillah (#5587)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Wanted to introduce myself...

Hello out there, I'm one of the recent additions to the dark side and I just
wanted to clarify a few things.  First off, my character is evil and I will
have her kill a player if nessessary, but on principle, I generally don't.
Second, she is a character, who in no way, shape or form is like me irl,
that's what this place is all about, playing someone you're wouldn't be like
normally.  Third, the poem at the beginning of my finger is by Charles
Baudelaire, I put it up there for fun, not in seriousness, in order to set the
mood for my character.
I hope that if anyone has any problem with my character, that they will page
or mail me.  And one last time I stress that I am not like Zillah irl.  Please
don't take what she does ICly personally.
Thanks,
Zillah

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Message 28 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Thu Dec  7 16:16:09 1995 CST
From:     Elendil (#2237)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:   The Dark Side

I've noticed a disconcerting trend lately.  It seems that there
are suddenly alot more people who want to roleplay psychotics and
thugs.  That's fine, I suppose, but at the same time it could quite
easily denote the beginning of the end.  I'm already sick and tired
of having people posture, threaten, and attack other people in such
places as the r/t, etc.  Ambushes in the woods are fine, but this is
starting to bug me, both @oocly and @icly.  Anyone can play a nut
and pick fights, but I'm going to do what I can to make sure you
don't win them.  I'm certainly no innocent, so here are some @ic
rpgin' notes on my character that should be noticed:

Race Preservation:  If you attack with deadly intent a submariner,
I will find you and kill you.  I don't enjoy doing this, so don't
make me.  If you have a @ic problem with a submariner, please try
to resolve it without physical conflict.  Once a fight or vendetta
starts, it no longers will matter to me @icly who was wronged, I
will always side with the submariner (aside from the miniscule chance
that it is the submariner doing the rampaging.)

Neutrality.  My alignment, as it were, is generally neutral.
This is not, as some mistakenly belief, the designation that I
don't care, it's that I probably don't care about YOU, unless
we're friends.  I try to be courteous and forgiving @icly, as
befits various facets of my station, and if it doesn't concern
me, I'll ignore it.  I'm not a crusader for justice, but
I detest random acts of violence, reflected in my 'LAW/BALANCE'
'finger' note.

What I'm trying to get across is that playing a psychotic does
not mean that you're playing a suicidal psychotic.  It should not
matter to your character @icly whether you're delivering pain and suffering to
a wendigo or to a newbie, so if you concentrate on killing and
abusing other players at random, don't be surprised a single whit when
someone finds you and makes you dead.

'For Master Lawrence, mercy is a passion.  For me, it is merely
good manners.'  --Lawrence of Arabia

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Message 29 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Thu Dec  7 19:22:38 1995 CST
From:     Zillah (#5587)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Evil characters...

In response to Elendil's post, I must defend those of us who have recently
popped up as bad characters.  Elendil, I don't think you understand my
intentions as a player by creating Zillah.  I simply want a hand in creating
conflict, the spice of life and role-playing.
My character may be psychotic in the end, but she has yet to kill anyone, nor
has she tried anything else beyond using her mage abilities, for which I got
permission from the player ahead of time.  I am not here to terrorize newbies
or kill and abuse other players without their full consent.  I find it
insulting that you are generalizing that to all evil characters here.
I am here to role-play, not to be abusive.  Conflict is essential to any
storyline.  Think of it this way, if everything is happy and all is well in
the plot of a book, who is going to buy it?  Not many, without conflict, the
idea is flat.
Just my two, maybe three, cents worth.

Zillah

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Message 30 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Thu Dec  7 20:31:18 1995 CST
From:     Elendil (#2237)
To:       *Chat (#5391)

Hrm.  Perhaps I wasn't clear.  What I am complaining about is the
tendency for evil pcs to confuse mass slaughter with role playing
an evil character.  I'm not generalizing; I've done this myself.
So far the primarily 'evil' pcs have been run as Features and
NPCs and I hope it stays that way.  If you can, however, play
a calculating, vicious evil character smoothly and intelligently,
all the better.  I suppose I'll find out, one way or another.

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Message 31 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Fri Dec  8 05:26:57 1995 CST
From:     Kriamina (#9509)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Hellspawn's weapons

hellspawn, why do i keep finding your weapons all over?  First a dagger in the
wasteland, then a butter knife on a ROUS, and now a broadsword on a ROUS...

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Message 32 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Fri Dec  8 11:26:50 1995 CST
From:     Kara (#3779)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  What?

I'm sorry, I simply must ask.....

a Butter knife?  There is someone using a -butter knife- to kill things?  What
do you do, bludgeon them to death??????

Please, explain this to me...
--Kara--

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Message 33 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Fri Dec  8 11:59:09 1995 CST
From:     Kriamina (#9509)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Hellspawn's weapons

The butter knife and broadsword named 'brightblade' are in the lost and found
box in the r/t lounge.  Kara, I don't understand it either. My guess is its a
re-described broadsword or dagger..  but its very out-of-character, especially
having edged-weapon messages on it.. its just silly.  Think I'll go make
myself a quarterstaff and name it a white-lace glove. :P  bye all...

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Message 34 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Fri Dec  8 12:04:03 1995 CST
From:     Kriamina (#9509)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  All the gnu's we' feet leave prints.  -- The Status Line

Anyone seen a November newspaper around?  I wonder if the wendigos got the
editor...

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Message 35 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sat Dec  9 01:34:56 1995 CST
From:     anj (#9806)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  brightblades in the lost and found?

cool...i was attacked by three cainids and got killed...lost that
sword...maybe the rats are scavenging?

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Message 36 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sat Dec  9 11:44:56 1995 CST
From:     anj (#9806)
To:       *Chat (#5391)

i presume the messages of attack aren't customizeable on weapons due to the
amount space they'd take up or something...what's the watched message for?

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Message 37 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sun Dec 10 11:28:22 1995 CST
From:     Kara (#3779)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  watched weaponry

I've often wondered that myself--the watched messages on the weapons, I mean.
I can comprehend the @owatched--this would tell you whenever someone looks
at that particular object.  This makes sense.  The @watched message confuses
me though...who is going to see it?  I can't @monitor my sword...

Can anyone explain this to me?

Thanks...
--Kara--

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Message 38 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sun Dec 10 13:33:15 1995 CST
From:     Mulder (#709)
To:       *Chat (#5391)

The owatched and watched messages are on the generic tangible object (#128 for
all you wiz types), and don't necessarly 'need' to be on all the children of
that (of which just about everything is).  It just happens in the great wide,
wonderful scheme of object property inheritance your weapons end up with
watched messages, just like people.  Not to say that weapons are people too,
but, well, you know.

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Message 39 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sun Dec 10 17:34:04 1995 CST
From:     Kara (#3779)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Help me, help my chem grade.

Allo there!  I realize that this has absolutely no business being posted on a
role-playing moo like ours, but I am desperate, so I am -begging- for help
from all you country-western/music lovers out there:

I will get extra credit (a very good thing at this point) if I can identify
the singer and title of the song with these lines in the refrain:

"I see the light at the end of the tunnel;
 	Lord, I hope it ain't a train."

If anyone can help me, I will be forever grateful...

--Kara--

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Message 40 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sun Dec 10 20:00:05 1995 CST
From:     Rain (#399)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  song..  for chem grade?

Sounds like a strange class! :)  I have no idea what the song or singer are,
but if you're sure about it being country music, you could post the same
question on alt.rec.music.country (or thereabout)

Good luck!

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Message 41 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Dec 27 02:44:44 1995 CST
From:     Necrobot (#9848)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  deadly combat

I'm getting a little annoyed at getting insta-killed by
the "trainers" Eddie and Judy. Even on level 1 they kill me
one good punch. I must be doing something wrong: there *has*
to be a way to get better at combat without getting killed
in the first thirty seconds of a fight.

Any suggestions? At this rate, I'm inclined to give up
on combat and just walk around and role-play.

Btw, I did read the GAME topics on combat: no help there.

I don't mean to bitch, but I'm a little frustrated.

e
--------- Necrobot (aka "Walker") ---------

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Message 42 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Jan 10 13:27:51 1996 CST
From:     Clara_Bow (#2376)
To:       *Chat (#5391)

Thank you for changing the @who back.  I now don't have to try 15 squajillion
combinations to find out who is on.

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Message 43 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Fri Jan 19 07:48:21 1996 CST
From:     Elendil (#2237)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:   web page

Did GW's web page ever get finished?  If so, what's the address?

-- oot

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Message 44 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sat Jan 27 00:59:12 1996 CST
From:     Tadewi (#3791)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  DryWater's multi-posts.

Um, yeah, the lag does suck, but it was  a checkpoint, which is normally
laggy.

DryWater, I've got nothing against you, but the multi-posting to several
different boards like that was out of line.  Just post it here next time you
feel the need to do that.

Just my thoughts on it.

Taddypole

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Message 45 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sat Jan 27 10:34:25 1996 CST
From:     Elendil (#2237)
To:       *RPG (#1193) and *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Submariners

Hello all.  Just a reminder that the Submariner PC-Class is not yet
full and always welcomes new members.  If you wish to be a submariner
and have not already chosen another background, please contact either
a wizard or a current submariner for information on how to become one.
Please also be aware that the 'submariner' class is quite rp-intensive
and that there will be various conduct and moral guidelines inherent
in your choosing a sub-class of submariner.  Sorry, no @ooc tours or
trips undersea for the undecided.  We look forward to hearing from
you.

-Elendil, Submariner Triton.

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Message 46 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Jan 30 11:55:18 1996 CST
From:     Soljenhara (#9687)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  A concern.

I've recently been having to deal with this and was wondering if there were
others on the MOO or if I just have a black mark on me.
While out on the plains, or even just in the R/T lounge, I've run into PC's
who look at me, then start swinging for no apparent reason, at least not to
me.  My character's first reaction is to attack, of course, that's in her
predatory nature.  Kill or be killed, but what disturbs me is the lack of
rping that takes place.  I'm not out to kill players, but when my character is
out on the plains hunting and someone walks out, takes one look at her and
then starts to swing at her (thank goodness for a good dodge) without so much
as a word said or even an emote, I gotta wonder about the player's motives for
being on GW.  That is annoying as far as I'm concerned.  This has happened to
me twice as this character so far.
While I'm at it, I have caught players using the 'home' command to get out of
an IC situation.  This goes above and beyond annoying, it's cheating.  And by
abusing the 'home' command, (You know who you are too) you're ruining it for
the rest of us who might need it in an emergency sometime. (Late for class and
have to home really quick.)
Anyway, back to the original subject (I know, I'm babbling, my apologies), my
character is built to be an antagonist, so if she is attacked, that's fine,
I'm prepared for that.  All I'm asking is for a little rp to go with it.  Hack
and slash is for the MUD's, leave it there. (No insult intended to any MUDers
out there.)  Ok, I'll get off my soap box now.  I'm curious to know if anyone
has experienced similiar conflicts.  And as always, flames to me, not *chat.

Thanks,
Sol

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Message 47 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Jan 30 16:59:47 1996 CST
From:     Soljenhara (#9687)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  A sincere complaint.

Maybe I'm just venting, but this is how I feel and I think this needs to be
said.  I play a character who has evil tendancies (Though she doesn't see them
as evil).  It seems that every time I interact with people who are of the
'light side' if things don't go their way, I get bombarded with pages (Which
are OOC and I do take them personally then) saying everything from 'I'm going
to sick my friends on you' to 'You bitch!'.  Now, my character is a living,
breathing creature of the ghostwheel realm.  She is _NOT_ an AHaB, nor is she
there for you to just beat up on and kill for the perverse pleasure of saving
the day.  IRL, you don't always win and good doesn't always prevail, only in
fairy tales is life like that.  My character has her own motives and goals and
will try to carry them out.  I do _NOT_ Player kill unless the scene in which
I am in calls for it.  If things aren't going your way when you interact with
her, then leave the area.  Or page me OOCly and tell me what's wrong exactly
or that you don't want to go on with the plot.  I'll certainly respect your
wishes.  I'm not like Sol irl by any means.
Ok, nuff said.  Once again, I'll get off my soap box.

Thanks,
Sol

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Message 48 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Jan 30 23:22:16 1996 CST
From:     Uno (#6614)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Dragon Riders

I dont mean to be rude, this is more of a question...
Why are all the Dragon Riders becoming Un-Dragon Riders?
Now, Yroshi and I think someone else just quit the D.R.'s (dont quote me), and
Ybld threw herself off a cliff.
Is this an @ic plot?

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Message 49 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Jan 31 01:16:53 1996 CST
From:     Mulder (#709)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Ybld's Death

Wow.  She threw herself off a cliff, her body smashed against the rocks at the
bottom, but her face still look serene?  (Maybe in a mashed bloody pulp sorta
way.)  Musta been the old Nerf-Rocks-At-The-Bottom-Of-The-Cliff(tm) trick.
(Sorry, had to say it.)

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Message 50 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Jan 31 10:29:37 1996 CST
From:     Yseult (#4778)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Un-DRs?

First off, Yroshi and Yseult are still Dragon-Riders.  They've just left Mt.
Morlith is all.  Ybld's death is mourned by all the riders I assure you.  As
for IC plots, *grin*, watch *Storylines.

Yseult, _still_ rider of Tierz'yrrlan

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Message 51 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Jan 31 11:43:24 1996 CST
From:     Kara (#3779)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  drs

To the best of my knowledge, only one DR actually quit the character class.
Her reasons for doing so were pretty well explained to me...and it had a lot
more to do with irl concerns than anything dealing with the moo.

Felt I should share.

-Kara-

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Message 52 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Feb  7 12:52:17 1996 CST
From:     Yzryel (#5314)
To:       *Storylines (#5236), *DragonRiders (#5915), and *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  re: 44 on *Storylines

Dragonriders with "hard-to-pronounce names"? Hey, just because we freely
choose to use the famous 25th letter in the alphabet in our names that can
either be a vowel or a consonant, doesn't give you the right to put us down...
Thpbpth! ;)
..and btw, My name is not hard to pronounce: IZ-RIY-EL. For those of you who
don't have the capabilities of sounding that out, just call me Yz, pronounced
"Iz". ;)

Yzryel, rider of obsidian Elwynd (that's pronounced EL-WIND ;)

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Message 53 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sun Feb 11 13:02:43 1996 CST
From:     Collosus (#4496)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Thanks to all concerned....

I would like to thank those of you who were present in the lounge the other
day when I began to have my attack, I was deeply moved when I saw the concern.
For all those who were present and wondering how exactly I am doing, my heart
problems have seemingly dissappeared as of now, I have had these attack 3
times before and felt they would pass although it seems worse this time
around. But my palpatations have finally subsided and my heart rate has
returned to normal. I will live through this episode, but again would like to
thank those present who were concerned, thank you guys.

For those of you who are bewildered by this post, it was a real life event and
not a portion of some role playing plot. I would normally not post private
events to any group, but unfortunately I was almost unconscious when I was in
the lounge yesterday, and honestly could not tell exactly who was present, my
apologies to those of you who showed concern, but you know who you were, and I
am grateful for the support.

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Message 54 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sun Feb 11 14:25:07 1996 CST
From:     Griffen (#9676)
To:       *Chat (#5391)

With this new @hangouts FO, I see several hangouts that might take some
movement to get to.
However, if some friends are their, and a player is OOC, they might not want
to spend all the time walking.
Maybe registered OOC @hangouts can be moved to (i.e. @go <hangout>)?
--Grif

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Message 55 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Feb 14 16:25:32 1996 CST
From:     Griffen (#9676)
To:       *Chat (#5391)

For those who weren't aware, the aclu has set up a site to mail and fax Janet
Reno against the new Telecomm Bill
http://www.aclu.org/action/renoact.html
click on 'Fax and email the Attorney General '

--Grif

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Message 56 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Thu Feb 22 19:17:47 1996 CST
From:     Kara (#3779)
To:       *Storylines (#5236) and *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  The Mystique Family Organization 

Helllllooo mooers!  We here at the Famille D'Mystique are seeking interested,
active role-players to join in our family organization.  We're looking for
people to play characters in a variety of roles, from maid to body-guard.
Heck, we'll even let you create/propose your own role in our little
organization if you like.
Interested persons are encouraged to write Kara, Tadewi, or Xanadu and set up
an interview time/place.

Hoping to hear from you!!
--Kara d'Mystique--
(All OOC, of course)

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Message 57 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Thu Feb 22 20:23:23 1996 CST
From:     Elendil (#2237)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Annoyance

This is @ooc.  Someone took 2000 crystals out of my room in the past
day or so.  I can't really think of anywhere else to send this, so
I sent it here.  Perhaps crystals disappear when not 'used'...that
wouldn't surprise me.  However, since whenever I try to use the
crystals I've built up I get glowered at, and then the items I
buy float away.  Nice little catch-22, but kinda poor, I think.
It may be all well and good to @icly say crystals degrade, but
then you'd think that someone would have gotten around to creating
a currency (read: available, no gold coins) that doesn't automatically
lose value over time.  Perhaps you could argue that items themselves
form a crude currency here on GW, but since they too 'degrade' after
a fashion I don't buy that.  Since my crystals disappeared from a
@locked satchel behind two locked doors at the bottom of the ocean
I think we can likewise rule out criminal mischief.  Now I work
hard for my resources, and I have alot of @ic expenses with the
submariners that I receive no additional support for dealing with.
So what I'm asking/hoping..are there plans for a bank?  401ks?
Someplace where I and others who have worked hard and long can
put our earnings?  As long as currency degrades, we may as well
be storing away rotting food towards our future.


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Message 58 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Feb 27 19:34:30 1996 CST
From:     Mulder (#709)
To:       *Chat (#5391)

I'm trying to organize a get-together for the Austin MOOers.  What time is
good for everybody?  I was thinking of getting together at Flipnotics.  It's
cool, central, they have good coffee...

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Message 59 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Fri Mar  1 12:58:09 1996 CST
From:     Moonheart (#6143)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Rad suit & Santa

A rad suit I brought off of santa awhile back disapeard ...he showed as the
owner so my guess is he @moved it back to himself and resold it. So don't buy
anything from him.

JMS (Moonheart)

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Message 60 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Fri Mar  1 13:03:48 1996 CST
From:     Yroshi (#6068)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  ???????

I thought Santa dropped off presents free of charge? Now he takes them back?
This could ruin a kids christmass.
Yroshi (thinking of celabrating Hanukkah from now on)

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Message 61 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Fri Mar  1 15:07:32 1996 CST
From:     Rain (#399)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  sales

If you buy something from someone, assuming they are the owner, get them to
@chown it to you, so they don't forget they sold it later and @move it back
wondering where it got to..

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Message 62 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sat Mar 16 20:28:35 1996 CST
From:     Skywalker (#6644)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  What's goin' on?

I've been away for a while (3 weeks or so) and naturally, I had tons of mail
It would have taken a while to read it all and I just don't have the time.
So, if there's anything that I seem to be in the dark about, please bear with
me until I get back into the scheme of things.

Skywalker.

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Message 63 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Mar 18 00:53:34 1996 CST
From:     Moonheart (#6143)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Drywater

DryWater is knocked unconscious by the blow.
<OOC> Valaria says, "does a dagger costs a lot?"
DryWater flattens out into a largish 32 cent postage stamp and floats away.

I was IC had good reason to be mad at DryWater ....I knocked him out and was
going to take a throwing dagger from him and he did that ....

Mnht

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Message 64 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Apr  1 12:09:35 1996 CST
From:     Zillah (#5587)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Ok, that's it for me.

I have been trying to run several plots here on GW because I've constantly
heard players complaining of being bored, so I try to run simple little plots
to give them something to do any hopefully let them have a bit of fun in the
meantime while the wizzes have their bigger plots in progress.  I would love
to continue this, but according to some my little plots are stupid and
repetitive (Let's just forget the fact that PC's seem to be having fun with
them for now.).  So, I'm just wondering out there if I should continue to try
doing anything.  I want to know who thinks my ideas are stupid and why, and if
they think so why they are not telling me this to my face and at the same time
coming up with better ideas.  I love this MOO, it is my first and I enjoy
making up small plots and would like to continue if I am allowed to.
Zillah

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Message 65 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Apr  1 12:13:43 1996 CST
From:     Moonheart (#6143)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Zillah

I for one have fun with Zillah's plots.

Mnht.

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Message 66 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Apr  1 12:49:28 1996 CST
From:     Oryama (#6359)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Zillah

I for one support Zillah's TP's. I hope you stick with it and continue to
follow through with the current one.
Oryama

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Message 67 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Apr  1 12:52:35 1996 CST
From:     Red_Fang (#5907)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Zillah


I love Zillah's plots, she at least trys and I hope we see more of her plots
and evil scheming..

Red Fang

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Message 68 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Apr  1 12:55:04 1996 CST
From:     Frap (#6337)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Ziller


Howdy,

Me too, think that Zillah customer is one great TP'er.. Continue giving us all
the fun you can girl!

Frap!

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Message 69 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Apr  1 13:16:38 1996 CST
From:     Yroshi (#6068)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Zillah's TP's

Go girl go!
Yr

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Message 70 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Apr  1 13:20:10 1996 CST
From:     Loki (#6294)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Zillah 

Haven't really been involved in any of her tp's but like what I've heard.

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Message 71 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Apr  1 13:56:56 1996 CST
From:     Naxos (#9972)
To:       *Chat (#5391)

I've been having a great time, keep up the good work Zillah.

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Message 72 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Apr  1 17:59:03 1996 CST
From:     Deckard (#3748)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Zillah

I think Zillah's just fishing for compliments ;)

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Message 73 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  2 15:34:11 1996 CST
From:     Valentine (#10512)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Zillah

Zillah:
	Without you and the other good rp'ers what would be left?  Fighting cainids
and tossing belliflora salad?  That's hardly a life to lead.

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Message 74 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  2 17:26:24 1996 CST
From:     Kara (#3779)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  belliflora salad

I love that.  Belliflora salad.

Just wonderful.

:)

--Kara, the woman with the word fetish--

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Message 75 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Sat Apr  6 19:51:23 1996 CST
From:     Yjezra (#5288)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Looking for a DragonRider

"Morlith is looking for a man or woman who wishes to be a dragonrider. We have
a lonely dragon, needing a friend.

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Message 76 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Apr  8 17:13:29 1996 CDT
From:     Yroshi (#6068)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Cavern Sale!!!!!!

Thats right! Crazy Yr here! And everything must go! Total liquidation sale of
all I have thats worth anything! Low low low prices!!! Sale sale sale on all
my magic or cool stuff! Call now..dont wait..this sale wont last forever.
I have One acid shooting Pistol left. Thats right..acid shooting pistol. Think
how your enemies will tremble when you thrust that in their face. Amuse your
friends with a acid shot in the eye..may smell bad..but it livens up any
party. Just comm me with a price...its that simple!!!!!
One ShortBow with 60...THATS RIGHT!! 60 arrows. Shoot apples off your kids
heads for all I care..just comm me. CRAZY YR.. with your price.
One Throwing knife. Works better than darts and cuts hard to open plastic
containers as well. Very stylish. All the fashionable people are wearing one.
Looks great with any color.
One Warp Tube...woooo...wont your friends be impressed when you just vanish
right in front of their eyes. Your enemies will cry in frustraition as you
vanishe to a safe location of YOUR choice.
Thats right! CRAZY YR'S HUGE CAVERN LIQUIDATION SALE! Comm me now and get the
best price in town.
limited time only. no returns, refunds or bitching of any kind.
OOC *smile* Well thats right..selling off everything. Bit sick of haveing
everything I get Icly taken away oocly by (place your name here if it fits) So
give me a page or a comm if your intrested. Might as well get some crystals
out of it and eat em just as fast as I can. Then you can just lower me stats
if you want. But you cant say I didnt try. :) Have a wonderfull Day! :)
Yroshi

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Message 77 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Apr  8 20:17:28 1996 CDT
From:     Balth (#3746)
To:       *Storylines (#5236), *Chat (#5391), *DragonRiders (#5915), *submariners (#8388), and *mages (#11664)
Subject:  @summoning or @moving your own items.

I'm sorry for the multispam, but this came up and I couldn't believe it.

You may NOT use @summon on the items in your @audit if you lose them.  If you
lose them, I repeat, you MAY NOT use @summon or @move to reclaim them.
There is no IC way for your character to do this.
The only exception to this could perhaps be 2nd circle mages, but since there
are none at this moment, that means NOONE can do this.
If you want your items back, RP it!
If someone tells you everyone else does it, and they move their stuff back,
please @send a Wiz.
Thanks for your attention
Balth

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Message 78 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Apr  8 20:32:31 1996 CDT
From:     Tadewi (#3791)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Adversaries and non adversaries

I'm writing this because I am constantly seeing abuses of this system and the
rule breakers getting away with little or no punishments.  It's upsetting to
see frankly.  We have the likes of Darkhawk and DryWater, who know that they
do not have adversary status, and are attacking and/or killing people anyway.
Those of us who follow the rules are constantly being abused like this, and
we're getting tired of it, but we are not allowed to take matters into our own
hands.  Then we get in trouble.  All right then, if we can't be allowed to
take action, then who is?  I hear a lot of grumbling, but nothing being done.
Let's take some kind of action people, anything.  As a psychology major, this
kind of slap on the wrist, or intermittant punishment will do nothing more
than encourage the person cheating, ect, to continue doing it because he/she
knows, ah, I'll just get slapped on the wrist and I can do it again the next
day, no big deal.  Let's make it a big deal for them.  We have to do something
cause as it is, we're getting walked on.
Taddypole

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Message 79 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Mon Apr  8 23:19:30 1996 CDT
From:     Yroshi (#6068)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Sale over

Wow you people are fast. Everthing but the shirt off my back is gone. Thanks
to all you bidders out there. Enjoy your new toys. :)
Yr

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Message 80 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  9 00:25:29 1996 CDT
From:     Skywalker (#6644)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  2nd circle mages

No second circle mages?  Hmm, the last time I checked, Edrik was one.  He even
even put on a show in the R/T lounge. He's also got this fish sword or
something. I think he's been overlooked.  Anyways, you can't @move stuff to
you
if it's been lost, but what if you have it but you don't have the time to
retreive it? i.e. you wanna buy something and you left the cash in your tent
sitting in a pouch. Now, do you have to walk all the way back home and then
all the way back to the person or can you just @move the pouch back to you?
It's not really a bad thing, it just saves time.  So, how 'bout it?

Your friendly neighborhood subbie,
Skywalker.

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Message 81 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  9 06:09:15 1996 CDT
From:     Yjezra (#5288)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Skywalkers post

Uh, hmm..I went shopping today, and left my checkbook at home. I know, I will
just snap my fingers and @move it to me..Nope, doesn't fly.
Sorry, Skywalker.

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Message 82 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  9 13:05:33 1996 CDT
From:     Tadewi (#3791)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Rule Breakers.

Having reread my last post to *Chat, I don't think I said what I meant quite
clearly enough.  What I meant was this:  I am sick of watching rule breakers
like DryWater and Darkhawk continue to cheat, bend rules, and ignore the
rights of players here and get away with it constantly.  Because of people
like them, rules have gotten tighter and tighter.  And why are they getting
tighter?  What does it matter?  NO ONE IS ENFORCING THEM.  The only people who
stick to any of the new rules are the ones who have tried to be honest from
the start.
Just my humble opinion, peoples.
Taddypole

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Message 83 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  9 13:09:26 1996 CDT
From:     Kara (#3779)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  cheers for Tad

I have to say that I agree with Tad here.  The rules that are being tightened
are only punishing those who rp fairly.  With a definite lack of enforcement,
they are not affecting those that they are targeting (Darkhawk, DryWater,
etc.) in the manner intended but are instead creating a strangle hold on the
activities of those who play fairly.

Perhaps if an enforcement board of pcs & wizzen were created (an ooc board,
that is) the rules would have more effect--as it is, they (the new, stricter
regulations) are merely an annoyance.

Just my two cents worth...

-Kara-

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Message 84 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  9 14:23:15 1996 CDT
From:     Yroshi (#6068)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  rule breakers

I aggree with tad and Kara. I've heard rumors of prisons and been told on many
many occasions to inform a wiz of a rule breaker. I have seen nothing more
than a slap on the wrist (if that) to these people. Darkhawks famous going ooc
in a bad situation. Drywaters heading to the mail room as soon as he is
knocked out and his very timely mother telling him its bed time right in the
middle of battle and his newest on me..@moveing the things I got from him
ICly..while he was locked away on Morlith prison (for PC killing no less).
Before I go on. I wish to appoligize to all the wiz out there. I did not think
it was possable to @move something you did not own. So I figured it was wiz
doing it. I sortof bad mouthed wiz in general for the last day or so for my
stuff bieng gone. I was wronge and appoligize even though I dont think most of
you knew I was bad mouthing you. :)    Anyway...
Some of us are rather capable of distributing our own pc justice. I know I
know..I got yelled at last time for suggesting this and will probably get
reamed out again. But nothing has changed since the last time I posted about
this..It is very hard to to RP a scene where you have every right to knockout
a thug and he just *poofs* off to the mailroom. Or you actually get them to
play along and they @move your stuff back.
So anyway. Can we as players do anything to stop this without bieng considered
cheaters as well? Personally I feel my player has every right Icly to hack a
few select people apart. But I dont becuase that would be cheating. But these
others are doing it and getting away with it time and time again.
Ok..done bitching for the moment. Let the reaming begin.
Yr

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Message 85 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  9 19:48:32 1996 CDT
From:     Lamia (#3623)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  A few basics..

Tadewi and Yroshi have voiced the sort of frustration everyone feels when a
player/s behave irresponsibly. Anyone can make the mistake of thinking that
because something's -possible- to do, it's acceptable. Where a player does
such things habitually, it's annoying; when it gets in the way of a plot's
unfolding, though.. where it actually -halts- the process, I think it's
important that a record be made of it.
If everyone involved would @send to a wizard a brief summary of the abuse
which occurred, it could be followed up upon.. and a GM-snitch note placed on
that character's sheet. That way, 'cumulative' offenders could be officially
identified.
It's very difficult to enforce rules where the policy of the MOO is not to
@newt or @toad players. Does anyone really want that? And do we really want RP
police here? An OOC panel to rule on such things would have to be very
carefully chosen.. or that's what we'd wind up with, that and possibly a great
deal of petty politics. If one is created, I'd suggest that its members be
elected by the PC and not appointed.

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Message 86 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  9 20:07:19 1996 CDT
From:     Yroshi (#6068)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  More thoughts from a deranged mind.

I do like the idea of a ooc panel. Lamia is correct in it would have to be
very carefully done. Much abuse could result in it. I for one would not be
good on such a panel as I'm a 'off with there heads' sortof guy. But I think
there are enough level headed people out there that would not abuse being on
the panel. Done correctly..this could work.
    In responce to Lamia's saying send a brief note to a wiz. I believe that
is done rather often already. I really think about 80% gets reported. Whether
that is then put on a persons sheet I cant tell. I do know that at least from
my end (bieng a PC) It looks like nothing is done about it. I could be wrong
as I dont know what evil, nasty, horrable things might be planned or even
carried out without my knowladge.
Yr

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Message 87 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  9 20:10:32 1996 CDT
From:     Lamia (#3623)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Ahem (and while I'm spamming you all:)

@Summoning articles which you own is discretionary, in my opinion. If, as
Skywalker's example points out, you left your 'wallet' at home, I think it's
fine to @summon it. Granted one cannot do that IRL.. neither can we @who IRL..
but realism is not the focus of why we're all here to begin with:)
It's fine to do it where it does not create an unfair advantage for you, or
disadvantage to another (i.e., moving your backpack to yourself after it's
been taken from you). Common sense should tell you that if your quarterstaff
is inside a ROUS, @summoning it would disadvantage the ROUS.. if it's in
another player's inventory, though, that's another matter entirely and
negotiating ICly for its return is preferable -- and yes, you can have IC
knowledge of its whereabouts if you know you died to that person:)
Using @move me or @go to a tent that you've stragically placed in the Wastes,
though, when you are being pursued doesn't seem to make much sense ICly. Those
that do so should probably think about it. Can you 'teleport' for an IC
reason? I kinda doubt it.
In Darkhawk's defense, I'd like to say that I believe he is trying to RP well,
trying to learn. When Balth imprisoned him for Naxos's murder, he @sethome
there so that the plot could continue. When he 'awoke' at Coral Reef and
drowned, he did not whine about it and paged to ask if it was okay to @sethome
elsewhere again, to ask if that was the end of the plot.
Respectfully suggesting to another that they've made a poor choice ICly can be
a lot more productive than ranting at them. If your suggestion is ridiculed,
mail a wiz with the particulars.

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Message 88 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  9 20:33:16 1996 CDT
From:     Yroshi (#6068)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Might as well add to the spam

While I'm at it..I aggree with Lamia on the @move, @go thing as well. I
personaly do not see a problem with it as long as it does not interfere with
other players in anyway. If your in a crowd of people..and you home becuase
you dont feel like walking. I think thats wrong. Step into the next empty room
and do it. Most of us do not enjoy haveing to walk a long distance to get
home..especially if we are somewhat rushed and the lag is bad. But at least do
it where no one sees you. As long as your @go, home and @move do not affect
anyone besides yourself in anyway..its ok in book. If my character goes
"Hey..how did he just *poof* away like that...he is not a mage?" Then thats
cheating. Or if I wake up in my cave wich very few people can get to and all
my stuff is gone..Thats wrong. If you have a note or something wich you forgot
at your home and you want to @move it to you..sure..why not..as long as no one
else sees you do this amazing trick in a IC scene.
Allright..done for now.

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Message 89 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  9 21:04:08 1996 CDT
From:     Skywalker (#6644)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  all the spam

Ok, since my last post, I've gotten mixed views about the @moveing of stuff if
you just left it at home.(i.e. crystals)  Just as long as it's not being
@moved
from someone or something that took it ICly from you.  Could I mabye get an
overall opinion from the wizzen as to whether it's ok for me to do this?  I
mean, I don't wanna get in any trouble or anything.

Thanks for your time,
Skywalker.

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Message 90 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  9 22:38:00 1996 CDT
From:     Yseult (#4778)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  A response.

I tend to agree with Lamia and Yroshi both on their ideas.  No, I would rather
people not be @toaded or @newted from this MOO. (I say this as a calm rational
type now, I know when I get angry I think otherwise. *grin*)  However, people
like DryWater and Darkhawk have repeatedly cheated and broken rules and I have
given them both numerous chances, to which they have just gone and cheated
again.  If Darkhawk is trying, great, I'm glad.  But you'll have to pardon me
for being leery of him.  Sort of the boy who cried wolf too many times idea.
The same for others here.  I'm extremely active here with my characters and I
see things all the time, and yes, I report them when they occur.  (Heck, if I
had a nickel for every harassing page calling me a stool pigeon, I'd be rich.)
But I didn't see anything being done.  No feedback on my mail or anything.
So, I assumed that nothing was being done about it.  From a PC standpoint,
that is frustrating.  If there was some way of giving feedback or letting the
players know that, yes, we know this is going on and we're working on it,
would be nice.  As for the PC elected rule board (I think that was the idea),
I like it and I think that'd be a good idea, with one idea added, let the PC's
vote to remove someone from the board if they feel the person has gone power
mad or is abusing their position.
Well, that's all for me...Happy thoughts folks, happy thoughts!
Yseult/Taddypole

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Message 91 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  9 22:41:42 1996 CDT
From:     Deckard (#3748)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  PC board

What ever happened to the restricted player class? A ounce of prevention is
worth a pound of cure, or something like that.

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Message 92 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Tue Apr  9 23:02:04 1996 CDT
From:     Kara (#3779)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  crime n' punishment

My main response to Lamia's primary post on this list is this:  if things are
being done in response to player complaints/snitches regarding rampant abuses
of OOC abilities/knowledges/cheats/whatever on this MOO, it needs to be told
to the pcs in general.  If there are punishments being handed out, regardless
of strength or weakness, they need to be publicized, or at least listed as
possibilities and followed through upon:  otherwise the appearance of weakness
and refusal to punish the wrong-doers of the world is given out to the people
inhabiting it.
This leads to a great deal of player dissatisfaction and discontent, leading
from the idea of : he's breaking the rules, he's not getting punished for it,
That's not Fair!  In other words:  if you don't show us that rules are being
inforced, it equals the same as rules -not- being inforced in the general
opinion of the populace.

No, I do not desire people to be @toaded. But, perhaps, being moved to HELL
for a while, or being @chparented to a restricted player class, as Deckard
suggests, or any of the other possiblities mentioned previously on this list,
would help greatly with  this problem.

just another 2 cents worth (I've got a sack full)
-KARA-

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Message 93 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Apr 10 00:15:27 1996 CDT
From:     Darkhawk (#5041)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Recent hatred towards me

	Ok I've done some bad rule breaking things in the past, but thats why its
called the past! When did i do that going OOC to avoid conflict, last year!,
would you all please just get over what happened in the past, first of all i
think this moo should be about fun, if they dont want us killing things or
@moving things then what use is it to have those commands?? if everyone is
whining about the @move why dont they just disable that for players? as for
killing others that can only be solved through the player changing, and would
you all please stop refering to me as a rule breaker, I have not broken a rule
in a long time, and if you want to call blocking an exit breaking the rules
then i need a copy of these rules.  -Darkhawk (the one who everybody loves to
hate)

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Message 94 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Apr 10 02:35:46 1996 CDT
From:     Lamia (#3623)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  #93

Commands like @summon, @go, 'home', 'start', etc. are important because they
give us some control over our own environment. There's an implicit trust that
$players will not use these commands to gain an unfair IC advantage. Disabling
them isn't necessarily the fair solution, because it punishes everyone --
including the majority of the PC, who use them responsibly.
@Summoning an item you own, without even @auditing yourself first to see its
location is clearly an irresponsible use of the command. And moving it from
another player's possession is, frankly, cheating. So, in my opinion, is
having a collection of tents in your inventory and placing them strategically
in different locations for the purpose of that quick IC escape. You cannot
travel ICly from GW Plain to your tent in the Wastes by using '@move me to
<tent #>. You could, though, 'home' to one there -- as long as your purpose
was to go home and not evade IC pursuit. So, yes, using these commands
requires some thought.. and if you find yourself needing to *ask* if using
one's a cheat, rest assured that it probably is.

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Message 95 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Apr 10 12:43:54 1996 CDT
From:     Nebula (#1730)
To:       *Chat (#5391)

If you find IC that players are being nasty IC, there's nothing preventing any
group of PCs from forming IC hunting parties.  We do have <ambush> coded, and
other combat gear.  Imagination is not codable.

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Message 96 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Apr 10 12:47:51 1996 CDT
From:     Naxos (#9972)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  my time for a little spam ;)

After doing a little inquiring OOC, I found the reason for my death was, hey
lets go kill someone. As well when I check my scrollback, I didn't see
Darkhawk take a swing, but he did block the exit.... In this case I'd Drywater
is at fault, so Darkhawk isn't as much to blame as DH.

On to a nother disregard of rules, last not Havoc attacked and killed
Mutanebbi, don't know the whole story, but id had to do with Muta sing poetry?
come on seems a little silly. And Havoc may have also launched a grenade into
the lounge as well, Karcass said he saw him, but I missed him.

Now my opinion? well I like the OOC panel, don't like @toading. As for
Skywalkers crystals, I say leave the room, port it to yourself, and then go
back. That makes it 'seem' real.
that's about it good to hear discussion about this, I've just struck
personally ;)

        --Naxos, Warden? not much of a guard if you ask me ;)

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Message 97 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Apr 10 13:00:28 1996 CDT
From:     Tadewi (#3791)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  RP it.

Neb's got a point, and I have to agree with her on it.  If another player
abuses what we have all been trusted with, 'home' '@edit' '@send' etc, then
just make an IC reason for it.  Report it to a wiz quietly and go on.  Show
the rule breaker that you're the better person because you rp out the
situation.  If someone goes into the note editor to escape death or theft of
items, then just claim that the at the last second, an evil mage spirited
him/her away.  Get your 'clan' 'group' or whatever together and hunt him/her
down eventually to extract revenge.  They can run for a long time, but
eventually, they'll get caught and have to take it just as they give it.
Taddypole, the reformed!

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Message 98 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Apr 10 13:03:58 1996 CDT
From:     Yroshi (#6068)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Lynching woo woo

Gotta love a good lynching mob. But seriously..use discretion when forming
these mobs and revenge parties. Like reading poetry is not a good reason to go
hunt after someone. Less it really sucks..:)
Yr

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Message 99 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Apr 10 13:19:22 1996 CDT
From:     Kara (#3779)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  eek!


Pleeeezzee...not lynching parties!  (Whatever will I wear?)

Seriously, though--this seems like a device that has as much potential for
being misused as the characteristic "plagues and kidnappings, inc."

I like lynch mobs and all..they're a workable concept...but that still doesn't
erase the need for an actual, ooc function of some sort to enforce rules on
the moo in a visible fashion.  Remember, rules not -visibly- enforced = no
rules at all, as far as the majority of pcs go.

--Kara--

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Message 100 from *Chat (#5391):
Date:     Wed Apr 10 13:42:42 1996 CDT
From:     Drago (#2307)
To:       *Chat (#5391)
Subject:  Go, Nebula

Just as I was about to tear my hair out, a voice of sanity.
RP it, yeah!  Good idea that!
Lynching parties? Naaah, not 'less you wanna, and it is still a MOO isn't it?
OOC bolting to Mail Rooms during a fight is boring, but god, running to wizzen
every time someone does something you wonder about is way boring. And anyway,
just what does someone do if a person is reading, reciting, creating poetry,
init. mouth-putting-socks-in? C'mon imaagination cannot be coded. Let's see if
we can work around it.
-Phili[p]stine.

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